why didn't she say that barack was ready to lead?


Failboat

8/26/2008 11:30:52 PM

i think people get it. if you are (were) a true hillary supporter, you're not going to vote for mccain. its like she said...you aren't going to vote for someone with the complete opposite message. she could have been more forceful. the mccain campaign just did a good job finding a hole in the speech (the fact that she didn't focus more on obama's character and ability to lead). but that would happen regardless...if not on that point, something else.

and i didn't really expect her to spell it out. she lost, she endorsed obama. can't really expect much more.

8/26/2008 11:36:44 PM

"she was trying to convince herself"

"Barack Obama is my candidate. And he must be our president." "Nothing less than fate of our nation and future of our children hang in the balance." I think she wasn't talking to herself there and I don't think it was a casual endorsement, it was a very strong one.

The "No way, No how, No McCain" line, combined with the specific policy differences, was a pretty strong anti-McCain line. I think talking in terms of is he ready to lead or not would have been letting McCain's camp set the terms of speech, instead she talked about how a vote for McCain is a vote against her and her campaigns ideals, and that's what Hillary supporters needed to hear more than anything else that McCain is not the way they should turn.

Biden will say Obama is ready to lead, and to some degree Bill may too. Hillary needed to address her supporters and say McCain is not the way to go, and she did that.

[Edited on August 26, 2008 at 11:41 PM. Reason : .]

8/26/2008 11:37:16 PM

well i think the final part of her speech kind of tied everything together. she didn't use obama's name that much, but its like...people should get the point. and if they don't, we have bigger problems. i mean if there are hillary supporters that would really actually vote for mccain...then they aren't really in it for the country and the causes (like she said).

8/26/2008 11:41:04 PM

I thought it was a fantastic speach although it pains me to say so because I don't care for her at all. And it's not because of her strong endorsement of Obama (and I do think that was a compelling message she laid out for him and her hangover supporters flipping to mccain)....it was because the content was great and delivery top notch.

8/26/2008 11:41:15 PM

I just saw the Mccain/Ditka 08 sign.

8/26/2008 11:55:48 PM

can anyone find a link to a video or audio of ted strickland's speech? i wanted to show it to my students tomorrow (and show them how a lot of politicians use buzzwords) but i cant find it anywhere

8/27/2008 12:35:51 AM

Bill Clinton is usually a very strong speaker. Any doubt people have left from Hillary's speech should be cleared up after he's done. The message for this convention is and needs to be party unity.

8/27/2008 9:58:34 AM

Hillary didn't have her fingers crossed during her speech, she had her scrotum crossed.

8/27/2008 10:17:19 AM

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"Hillary didn't have her fingers crossed during her speech, she had her scrotum crossed."

That doesn't even make any sense and it's pretty blatant trolling.

8/27/2008 10:19:14 AM

don't let it surprise you...unless its in the xbox 360 thread, twister's contributions in particular are worthless to any discussion.

He just enjoys projecting a 'loose cannon' independent type position where he can feel esteemed by making random and blind jabs to the dems, but it's no substance and all troll. Part of what drives him are the self-affirming butt pats and 'atta boy's from the repubs around here....

best to not feed him

8/27/2008 10:25:32 AM

wow you guys have some serious issues

i make a quick comment about hillary being insincere, and manly, and you too straight Dem ticket faggots start pitching a fit...jesus christ you're pathetic...you two were bashing the shit out of Hillary when she was running against Barack, and now you get on me for making the same type of "Hillary is a manly liar" jokes I was making back then? fucking horrendously pathetic lives you guys must lead...seriously...you cant even laugh at a joke...sad

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"That doesn't even make any sense"

of course it doesnt...if you're stoned as shit and also an idiot

8/27/2008 10:46:16 AM

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"jesus christ you're pathetic"

says the guy that has to resort to penis jokes when trying to confront a politician he doesn't like?

8/27/2008 10:47:19 AM

HOW DARE YOU MAKE A JOKE ABOUT HILLARY BEING MANLY I AM OFFENDED

funny how you guys do a complete 180 on hil-dog based on her insincere speech last night

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"says the guy that has to resort to penis jokes when trying to confront a politician he doesn't like?"

says the guy who was laughing at those penis jokes the last 6 months when he hated Hillary...

^,^^^,^^^^ you three sure were fans of Hillary before last night weren't you? Oh thats right you weren't

[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 10:58 AM. Reason : bandwagon]

8/27/2008 10:48:25 AM

Suspend the troll.

8/27/2008 11:09:00 AM

Suspend anyone who dares question why I all of a sudden became a Hillary fan over night when I hated her the past few months

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"The message for this convention is and needs to be party unity."

Its a shame your message can't be country unity...

8/27/2008 11:09:59 AM

Who the fuck said anything but she gave a good speech? You're insinuating everything you post and you're trolling multiple threads right now and you should be suspended because you're adding nothing to a serious topic.

8/27/2008 11:11:31 AM

I am definitely adding something...I'm asking why people hated Hillary one day and then loved her the next based on an insincere speech...clearly that question tears at the fabric of your political opinion making process (the part thats not super saturated in canabinoids) and you'd rather call for suspension

8/27/2008 11:12:41 AM

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"Hillary didn't have her fingers crossed during her speech, she had her scrotum crossed."

TROLL

8/27/2008 11:16:23 AM

no that was a JOKE

i'm sorry you're too straight-Dem-ticket (and/or high as fuck) to realize the difference

8/27/2008 11:18:00 AM

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"best to not feed him"

8/27/2008 11:18:28 AM

best to know what a joke is and have a sense of humor instead of pitching a fit

8/27/2008 11:19:38 AM

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"Its a shame your message can't be country unity..."

mhum, i bet the RNC will be all about country unity.
of course, taking hints from http://gop.com/ , I'd say the Republicans are a lot more interested in Obama and the Democrats than they are about McCain - at first glance, at least 5 mentions of Obama/Biden, and 1 of McCain....

8/27/2008 11:27:16 AM

its that time in the political process where you attack the other candidate...both sides are doing it...the Reps seem to be better at it (and it apparently worked in 04)...but its just another unsavory aspect of politics and another reason I could give a fuck about voting for any of these jackass powerhungry pathological selfish greedy liars

8/27/2008 11:31:20 AM

so don't vote and keep whining

that is what most americans do. its always best to go with the majority you know. baa baa baaa.

and as i'm sure you will tell me you already know, parties attacking each other is no new concept in politics. in fact, this "unsavory" concept is what has (for better or for worse) shaped our country (which i'll also point out is still relatively young in the grand scheme of things. THUS people battling over power and ideologies is not uniquely american, either). i'll get you started with some examples...jefferson and hamilton and the marshall court? hamilton and jefferson...not exactly bff. but their arguments are sort of fundamental to america....even today. imagine how different things would have been if in our country's history if everyone agreed on everything.

i just don't understand when people say they don't care for politics. that is like saying you don't care for our country (regardless of your opinions. and they obviously don't have to fit into the democrat/republican mold...which is a whole different debate). and when people say politics has gotten "too messy"....what exactly are they basing that on? its always been messy throughout our country's history and WORLD history.

and finally, if you don't care for politics...which is what shapes government and ultimately our country (to greatly generalize my point)...what do you care for? anarchy? i mean has that worked for a civilization recently? no you don't have to be a democrat, you don't have to be a republican, you don't have to be anything. but if you complain and then don't participate on any level or bring any kind of engaging suggestions to the table, you're just wasting everyone's time. and i guess you can keep free-riding on the benefits that you receive that are derived from the unsavory political process.

[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 1:06 PM. Reason : .]

8/27/2008 12:48:49 PM

Glad to see you back.

8/27/2008 1:06:53 PM

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"so don't vote and keep whining"

You must have me confused with someone else. I never whine about the people in power or their policies. The only thing I whine about is when tax money is used for rich politician's personal gains. The people who whine all the time are the people who have been bashing Bush for the last 7 1/2 years, who probably voted for Gore/Kerry and are sore losers that their candidate didn't win. Don't confuse me for somebody who doesn't vote, but then complains about who is in power. I don't know what even gave you that idea.

And second, when does not voting for either of 2 candidates who you dislike mean you "don't care for politics?" That doesn't even make sense. If I didn't care about politics, why would I talk about politics? If I didn't care about politics, I wouldn't have my reasons for not voting for either candidate.

If that wasn't directed at me, ok fine. But if it was, you're completely mis-characterizing me and you obviously haven't been paying attention.

8/27/2008 2:48:34 PM

Just watched Kucinich's speech. Wow. I think we could use some more enthusiasm on that kind of level.

8/27/2008 4:56:34 PM

http://www.notready08.com/

8/27/2008 5:06:32 PM

I can't believe I am watching the Roll Call right now on internet.

8/27/2008 6:19:59 PM

^^^^ it wasn't all directed at you...your comments about the the unsavory aspect of politics just sent me on a tangent because i've been hearing people complain complain complain about how politics has gotten "dirty." but i was trying to point out that parties criticizing each other isn't a novel concept. i might have read too much into your use of "unsavory" but i just assumed since you said you weren't voting for either candidate, but then complaining about candidates that you were someone who just complains and doesn't do shit about it. which is like...everyone considering the dismal turnouts at polls. you ask your friends if they voted, they say yes...well at least 1/2 of them are lying. it just makes me mad. i never said not voting for either candidate makes you not care for politics. i just assumed (i guess mistakenly) that you didn't care because of the negative tone in your post. and because you seem to just be complaining about not liking either candidate...which is what most people do. instead of working towards an election that isn't dominated by two parties. it isn't impossible. and i just find it hard to believe that you can't find SOMETHING...some issue that you care about that one of the candidates stands for over the other. it is just hard for me to reconcile NOT voting for the leader of our country. and it just seems like most people (and maybe you don't) sit around and complain about the binary nature of american politics, but don't do anything about it. i'd love to see a viable third party. and maybe i have mis-characterized you, but i HAVE been paying attention. i guess i just don't understand anything you post. i guess this statement just seemed more apathetic to me than someone who cares about doing anything productive.

second, i don't see anything wrong with complaining about who is in power. hell yea i've complained about bush. maybe criticize is a better word. but it isn't because i'm a sore loser. its because he sucks (again, to generalize), our country is in sad shape, and bush WILL go down as one of the worst presidents in U.S. history. it isn't like criticism of this administration is completely unfounded. it doesn't make people "sore losers."

so i guess i don't really understand this statement:

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"I never whine about the people in power or their policies"

again, this seems apathetic. so you just wait and see who's elected (which i'm guessing is usually someone you don't give a fuck about voting for) and go along with their policies? no opinions thoughts concerns? no worry? i just don't get it.

^^^ i have always loved kucinich. i don't care if he did see a ufo...i think he's great

8/27/2008 7:40:12 PM

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""I never whine about the people in power or their policies" again, this seems apathetic."

TT takes pride in his apathy. He boasts that he doesn't vote.

But he loves to complain about politics online though.

8/27/2008 8:31:37 PM

but then he claims he doesn't care/complain

then he says he does care

hmmmmmmmmMMMMmmmm

8/27/2008 8:40:47 PM

lol jennifer garner and jessica alba at the dnc chattin it up in the stands

8/27/2008 9:00:42 PM

that is what i thought i saw!

meh...bill clinton didn't exactly do a fab job in africa. rwanda??


[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 9:02 PM. Reason : .]

8/27/2008 9:01:44 PM

haha nvm

[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 9:03 PM. Reason : ^made me lol...]

8/27/2008 9:02:39 PM

interesting choice of songs for sure...and michelle obama didn't look super duper excited

8/27/2008 9:03:38 PM

slick willy time

^ i think that was his 1992 campaign theme song

[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 9:04 PM. Reason : fleetwood mac]

8/27/2008 9:03:41 PM

hey chelsea...

stop clapping so everyone else will

8/27/2008 9:05:06 PM

haha i feel like it is EVERY campaign's theme song.

lol at bill clinton "y'all sit down we gotta get on with the show"

8/27/2008 9:05:20 PM

"i love joe biden"

haha

8/27/2008 9:06:47 PM

"I lurve Joe Biden!"

8/27/2008 9:07:05 PM

i feel like he's doing better with the unification message than hillary

8/27/2008 9:11:41 PM

i had forgotten what a good public speaker he is.....

8/27/2008 9:12:55 PM

^^that's because he's the superior speaker in the family

still, its just more smug fakeness

neither one of them believe the things they're saying about them

"8 years in the WH and all these years later have taught me that Obama is the right guy for the job..."

c'mon....

[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 9:15 PM. Reason : asdfghjk]

8/27/2008 9:15:29 PM

most likely correct...but at least he's saying it....

up til this point, he hadn't

8/27/2008 9:16:04 PM

meh he seems less smug than hillary

i'm not saying its not bullshit but he's doing a good job

8/27/2008 9:17:35 PM

who's to blame for Gustav?

8/27/2008 9:20:02 PM

you gotta give him credit -- bill clinton is THE master speech maker.

8/27/2008 9:20:26 PM

After yesterday all the republican attacks were that the DNC speakers weren't saying Obama is ready to lead, and now someone with experience as president just said he is ready to lead.

8/27/2008 9:27:14 PM