9/1/2008 5:03:36 PM

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"She has been quoted several times championing the cause of abstinence only programs yet is irresponsible enough to allow her own daughter to get knocked up while unmarried."

Yep. Guess she should have locked her daughter in her room and never have let her out. Or, momma should have been on every date with her daughter.

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"burro's full of shit."

Nice. When you can't refute fact, just attack. Guess there's nothing wrong about hanging out w/ a self-avowed, unrepentant terrorist.

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"If the shoe was on the other foot your ilk would be jumping up and down screaming about how this was a poor choice in judgment (which to some it is)."

Oh, I agree that the girl made some bad decisions. But to focus on that instead of other obvious flaws in Obama's crystal clean image. Come on... Or, how about this: if John McCain were buddy-buddy with an abortion-clinic-bomber, do you think the media would give him a free pass? I'll answer my own question:

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"HELL FUCKING ... NO"

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"What'll solve everything?"

Bombing the US Capitol building and getting a position in a Presidential administration. Or, giving money to politicians that is supposed to go to helping Chicago's schools, then sealing the financial records so no one can find out about it.

9/1/2008 5:05:32 PM

^Take it to another thread. I'll meet you there.

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""Hey honey, not only have you made a mistake that will change your life forever, but I'm going to broadcast on national news how fucked up I think I am, and by extension, you are.""

I don't necessarily want Palin to say that.

And in terms of my rabid hooksawesque comments, this is my big thing.

I hate it when smart, educated women who tout family values don't handle their shit.

This isn't just about her daughter. She had a baby at 44. You're not supposed to do that.

There are gels, diaphragms, condoms, pills, rings, shots, implants, surgeries...a million different options for women...and neither she nor her daughter are responsible enough to use them. That's a problem.

[Edited on September 1, 2008 at 5:10 PM. Reason : sss]

9/1/2008 5:09:11 PM

I've seen this floating around. Not politically relevant, but kind of funny.

9/1/2008 5:18:55 PM

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"Apparently this was common knowledge in Wasilla (sp?)."

haha, when you live in a town of 8500 or so, nothing stays secret that long

9/1/2008 5:18:57 PM

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"This isn't just about her daughter. She had a baby at 44. You're not supposed to do that."

Does a woman not have a right to choose what to do with her body? or does that only apply to abortions?

9/1/2008 5:28:39 PM

^? Of course, she has the right.

Smart, educated women embrace the responsibility that comes with that right. It involves things like not getting pregnant at 43 or 16.

Women don't have to embrace that repsonsibility. They can do what they want. But such a dumbass is not fit for VP.

9/1/2008 5:34:11 PM

but, a guy who bombed the capitol building is definitely fit to be in the President's inner circle, right?

9/1/2008 5:41:58 PM

smart educated women would know that 16 is a healthy age to have a baby. so you lose. big time.

9/1/2008 5:45:14 PM

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"You have the vaginal muscles of a female gladiator"

9/1/2008 5:50:04 PM

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"We're proud of Bristol's decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents"

-- Sarah Palin

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"For once, I want to hear a mother say, "I fucked up big time. My daughter and her horny boyfriend are stupid, stupid, stupid. But fuck it. Shit happens.""

-- BridgetSPK


So women should subscribe to your morals surrounding sex and pregnancy? They can't decide what paths to take? They can't decide what steps to take to rectify wrong paths taken?

When your daughter gets pregnant at 17, you can say that all you want, and even hold a press conference just to announce that to the world. Let people do what they want to do if they are not harming anyone.

And you are one to be talking about "smart, educated women" taking responsibility.

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That flowchart that Supplanter posted, is that true? Did she really do all that? Now that, that could have harmed the baby or her, so that was pretty stupid.

9/1/2008 5:51:05 PM

IT'S A TRAP[ezius]

9/1/2008 5:54:04 PM

maybe this is a case of "theres no such thing as bad publicity"?

9/1/2008 6:03:25 PM

DIFFERENT FORUM!!! OMFG!!!

wait... did this go from TSB to CC and back to TSB?

[Edited on September 1, 2008 at 6:04 PM. Reason : ]

9/1/2008 6:03:32 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/212167.php

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"Out of Order? 09.01.08 -- 5:27PM By Josh Marshall We had heard hints of this. But just moments ago, Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC said that Republican lawyers are currently doing a vet of Sarah Palin up in Alaska. We'll get you the video shortly. But it seems that the really deep vet of Palin started after her selection was announced. "

I'd like to see this video.

9/1/2008 6:11:30 PM

your point?

9/1/2008 6:13:53 PM

The daughter actually looks a bit eskimo here

9/1/2008 6:16:01 PM

^^the point being that more real stuff in the realm of her supporting the bridge to nowhere, to her opposing views to everything Hillary stood for, for her opposition to the right to chose even in the case of rape or incest, for her recent comments saying she doesn't really know what the VP does so she's not sure she'd seriously consider it, and she hasn't really thought about Iraq might come out.

And the pending investigation into "troopergate" that was around since before she was picked as vp nominee will have her being deposed under oath in regards to this scandal during time that would have otherwise been spent campaigning.

I guess my point more broadly is that vetting someone after-the-fact doesn't show such good judgment.

9/1/2008 6:37:15 PM

her daughter looks pretty bwnable there

9/1/2008 6:37:20 PM

somebody already beat you to it

9/1/2008 6:44:20 PM

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"her daughter looks pretty bwnable there"

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"The daughter actually looks a bit eskimo here"

Even truer if you click below.

http://gov.state.ak.us/photos/PalinFamily_Outside_v01.jpg

How come the son and younger 2 daughters look like white peoples, but Bristol looks very different?



OMFG Bristol is the love child of Sarah and an ESKIMO!!! To be all over the news soon!!!

9/1/2008 6:46:02 PM

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/01/palin-has-hired-lawyer-as-trooper-probe-continues/

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"September 1, 2008 Palin has hired lawyer as trooper probe continues Posted: 05:52 PM ET From CNN Correspondent Dana Bash (CNN) – Alaska Governor Sarah Palin hired a lawyer three weeks ago to act on her behalf as state legislators investigate whether she may have abused her power in firing the state police chief for refusing to fire her ex-brother-in-law, a state trooper, CNN has confirmed. A report of findings of a legislative inquiry that began several weeks ago is currently slated to be released just days before Election Day. "

That will go over well I'm sure.

9/1/2008 6:47:40 PM

Her husband is part eskimo.

9/1/2008 6:47:51 PM

aha... that explains it. mixed children usually are gorgeous as well. as will be mine... hopefully!

9/1/2008 6:50:38 PM

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"I guess my point more broadly is that vetting someone after-the-fact doesn't show such good judgment."

How good does your judgment have to be to let a self-avowed, unrepentant terrorist have a prominent place in your campaign? How good does your judgment have to be to let a racist, hate-spewing preacher be your minister for 20 years?

9/1/2008 6:57:13 PM

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"Smart, educated women embrace the responsibility that comes with that right. It involves things like not getting pregnant at 43 or 16. Women don't have to embrace that repsonsibility. They can do what they want. But such a dumbass is not fit for VP."

wtf is this? Plenty of women have children in their 40s. And at least those children will be born into a stable home.

There are increased risks with pregnancy over 35. The fact that her child has autism isn't completely unconnected with her age. That doesn't mean she's horribly irresponsible for having the child.

Responsible is being prepared and able to handle the work that comes along with your decisions, not avoiding decisions that will require work.

9/1/2008 7:01:23 PM

^ like having an abortion to avoid the work of being a mother, right?

9/1/2008 7:02:41 PM

i'm so glad mccain picked her as his VP, this election would not be nearly as entertaining with anyone else

9/1/2008 7:15:54 PM

so let me get this straight, was the recently baby Sarah's or her Daughter's? And is the Daughter currently pregnant?

9/1/2008 7:27:52 PM

I can't help but draw some parallels between Palin's daughter and Clinton's affair. Both are personal incidents that find themselves in the public spotlight.

For those who say Clinton's affair should not have been a public affair, does the same apply for Palin? Why or why not?

For those who say that Clinton's affair should have been a public affair, does the same apply to Palin? Why or why not?

I am not trying to turn this into some 'But, but, but...Clinton!' shit. I'm just curious about those who may or may not see parallels between the two.

^ The recent baby is Sarah's, and the daughter is currently pregnant.

[Edited on September 1, 2008 at 7:37 PM. Reason : ]

9/1/2008 7:35:14 PM

^^Online rumors about the daughter having given birth to Trig proved to be false, but caused investigations that brought to light the fact that Sarah's daughter Bristol is currently pregnant out of wedlock & they now announced she will now marry the guy that got her pregnant. The infant Trig will be the uncle of the baby Bristol is having rather than being a baby she gave birth to.

According to CNN McCain just recently found out:
"Top McCain adviser Steve Schmidt said Monday that newly-minted Republican VP candidate Sarah Palin informed John McCain of her daughter's pregnancy in one of their "private conversations" last week.

[Edited on September 1, 2008 at 7:39 PM. Reason : one more of these "^"]

9/1/2008 7:37:58 PM

I don't see a parallel.

Clinton himself did some moral crime, not his child. And then he lied.

Sarah's daughter got pregnant "inappropriately", not Sarah herself. And there has been no lying.

9/1/2008 7:39:56 PM

. this new shit seems to suggest that theory is logically impossible. so for the most part i think this should be a non-issue except for one point... it just goes to show how retarded the abstinence only education that palin supports is. yes she cant control her daughter. but neither can teachers. sara is the person with probably the most influence in bristols life and unless we assume shes either hypocritical or lazy we can guess she told her daughter repeatedly not to have premarital sex and why. if that kind of strategy worked... well you get the picture. bristols life wouldnt now be fucked and palins family wouldnt be knee deep in scandal and to everyone saying 16 is a great age to have a child i agree. too bad sara was 44 when she gave birth to her 5th child... and it has down syndrome

9/1/2008 7:44:23 PM

so, in short, you like to drag the families of politicians into the dirt along w/ the politician... and then make a weak attempt at an argument about how the politician's policies are at fault.

9/1/2008 7:46:48 PM

ok


about this thread.


is there some law against a person having a baby now in the liberal world? or am i missing something?

i know that no liberal will answer me this, but did palin actually come out and say that her daughter wasn't pregnant or cover up some crime somehow? i'm not seeing an issue

if you want an issue by associations here you go:





[Edited on September 1, 2008 at 8:00 PM. Reason : .]

9/1/2008 7:57:43 PM

its on treetwistas list of things political candidates shouldnt do, along with not putting ones hand on their heart when the national anthem is played

9/1/2008 8:01:27 PM

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"is there some law against a person having a baby now in the liberal world?"

You tell us. You're the self-professed liberal.

9/1/2008 8:03:52 PM

I'm pretty sure having children is considered a felony in the far left.

Up to 10 years prison.

9/1/2008 8:05:36 PM

yeah. you are supposed to have an abortion, durr

9/1/2008 8:08:31 PM

so what about gays. would it have been ok if her daughter was gay? and she adopted the baby? would that be an issue?

9/1/2008 8:09:57 PM

This group is about to break 100
So Much For Family Values. Bristol Palin is Pregnant!
http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=25759501863


This group is about to break 3000
1 million strong against Sarah Palin
http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=70637055579

They raise concerns like:

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" * She was elected Alaska's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town of about 9,000 outside Anchorage. * Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest. * She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000. * Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools. * She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change. * She's solidly in line with John McCain's "Big Oil first" energy policy. She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won't be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska. * In July of 2008, Sarah Palin became the subject of a state ethics investigation looking into whether she fired a top law enforcement official in her administration because he had failed to dismiss a state trooper who was involved in a divorce with Ms. Palin’s sister. * Sarah never left the country before July 2007 when she needed to first obtain a passport before visiting Alaskan National Guard troops stationed in Kuwait. *As mayor of Wasilia, Palin built - as her legacy - a $15 million multi-use indoor ice arena on land that did not belong to the city. It will cost Wasilla at least an additional $1.67 million to acquire the land which the town is attempting to pay for by cutting library services, postponing capital improvement projects, and raising fees."

Nearly 10,000 strong & growing:
Sarah Palin is NOT Hillary Clinton
http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=22583199522

While more anecdotal than statistical, since this whole thing started with people online poking around, looking at these online sample groups shows that more people have concerns in a valid arena rather than an invalid one.

9/1/2008 8:10:28 PM

i bet there's a billion people out there that will join that club. that looks awesome. i think i might join. how much is it???

9/1/2008 8:14:28 PM

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"She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska."

That's fucked up.

9/1/2008 8:16:21 PM

I think she should kick some polar bear in the balls, and start a facebook group for kicking polar bears in the balls.

I bet that would get 40 million people in a week. but it would probably come in second to the "He man woman haters" group. I bet Sarah Palins daughter is on facebook. Let's wink at her.

9/1/2008 8:17:55 PM

^i'm sure they'll move on from the baby stuff to whatever the latest story is like this

From this:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/1/193111/4427/159/582600

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"ABC News: Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which since the 1970s has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States. And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always." "

I just saw this:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html

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"Members of 'Fringe' Alaskan Independence Party Say Palin Was a Member in 90s"

9/1/2008 8:29:10 PM

To the republicans on here, does the fact her daughter is preggers bother you? Doesnt bother me.

9/1/2008 8:39:31 PM

i certainly don't give a flying toot

9/1/2008 8:44:11 PM

and they say politics is boring...

9/1/2008 8:45:44 PM

I couldn't care less.

Either way, Palin loses. She has an abortion and Palin's family values are reamed, her daughter chooses to have the baby and her family values are questioned, as if supporting her daughter having a baby is somehow bad for family values.

Some people are just assholes who look for any reason to hate.

9/1/2008 9:06:45 PM

Well, Supplanter, at least the AIP never bombed the capitol building...

9/1/2008 9:21:45 PM