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9/9/2008 4:57:40 PM

you don't know anything with absolute certainity. You cannot say anything with absolute certainity, that's why it's a theory.

9/9/2008 4:59:22 PM

t minus 5 hrs

9/9/2008 10:29:49 PM

things i'm equally sick of:

sarah palin
black holes
aliases

i will think of more later

9/9/2008 10:30:55 PM

I'm really really tired...so i didn't read it all but can someone quickly explain whats going on?

9/9/2008 10:31:08 PM

I successfully trolled the fuck out of this thread.

9/9/2008 10:48:04 PM

i need food

9/9/2008 11:33:54 PM

sumbitch

9/9/2008 11:34:38 PM

oh shit I better bump my thread

9/9/2008 11:35:01 PM

OH SHIT

9/9/2008 11:39:21 PM

o dam

9/9/2008 11:51:51 PM

Quote :

"That's great, it starts with an earthquake, birds and snakes, an aeroplane and Lenny Bruce is not afraid. Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn - world serves its own needs, dummy serve your own needs. Feed it off an aux speak, grunt, no, strength, Ladder start to clatter with fear fight down height. Wire in a fire, representing seven games, a government for hire and a combat site. Left of west and coming in a hurry with the furies breathing down your neck. Team by team reporters baffled, trumped, tethered cropped. Look at that low playing! Fine, then. Uh oh, overflow, population, common food, but it'll do. Save yourself, serve yourself. World serves its own needs, listen to your heart bleed dummy with the rapture and the revered and the right, right. You vitriolic, patriotic, slam, fight, bright light, feeling pretty psyched. It's the end of the world as we know it. It's the end of the world as we know it. It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine. Six o'clock - TV hour. Don't get caught in foreign towers. Slash and burn, return, listen to yourself churn. Locking in, uniforming, book burning, blood letting. Every motive escalate. Automotive incinerate. Light a candle, light a votive. Step down, step down. Watch your heel crush, crushed, uh-oh, this means no fear cavalier. Renegade steer clear! A tournament, tournament, a tournament of lies. Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives and I decline. It's the end of the world as we know it. It's the end of the world as we know it. It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine. The other night I dreamt of knives, continental drift divide. Mountains sit in a line, Leonard Bernstein. Leonid Brezhnev, Lenny Bruce and Lester Bangs. Birthday party, cheesecake, jelly bean, boom! You symbiotic, patriotic, slam book neck, right? Right. It's the end of the world as we know it. It's the end of the world as we know it. can't I have some time alone? It's the end of the world as we know it can't I have some time alone? and I feel fine...fine... It's the end of the world as we know it. It's the end of the world as we know it. can't I have some time alone? It's the end of the world as we know it can't I have some time alone? and I feel fine...fine... "

9/9/2008 11:52:47 PM

are we dead yet?

9/10/2008 7:24:46 AM

Oh we back.

9/10/2008 7:34:46 AM

For a black hole to be powerful enough to have a massive effect it has to actually have a lot of mass. Large black holes are simply massive stars that have collapsed in themselves once the forces inside the star can no longer overcome the gravitational pull of the matter within it. The reason black holes are so powerful simply has to do with the fact that you can get so close to them.


From my understanding, the mass of a black hole (At least initially, before it sucks in more matter) should be identical to the mass of the star that created it. The reason it has such crazy effects is that the force of gravity changes with the square of the distance. Think about this:

You cannot stand any closer to the center of the earth than you already are. And yes, of course you can move down a few feet or dig a hole, but this is negligible when you consider the distance from your current location to the center of the earth. Now, consider that if you managed to compact the earth into an infinitesimal point, you could theoretically "stand" on the center of the earth. Since you would be FAR closer to the center of the earth than you are now, and the force of gravity changes with the square of your distance from the center of mass, you'd weigh SIGNIFICANTLY more.

The same thing happens with a star that forms a black hole. Now that it has collapsed, light and matter can get very close to it without "hitting it." Light and other objects can essentially get infinitely close to the center of the mass, which is why a black hole can easily "bend" light and trap objects. The same mass is there, it's just that you can get a lot closer to it after it has collapsed.

Another way to think about it is that if planets were orbiting a sun that collapsed into a black hole, they should simply continue to orbit it as long as no other effects from the dying star affect them. Since the same mass is centered at the same distance that it was before it collapsed into a black hole, the planets in orbit continue to behave in the same way.

What is my point here? Well, even if you created an atomic sized "black hole," it's unlikely that any real effects would result because you wouldn't have any more mass than you had before. This device can't create mass as far as I know (Especially enough mass to create a supermassive black hole or something) and if it does then we will realize in those last few minutes/seconds/microseconds/whatever that we've managed to break the apparently rigid laws of the universe.

[Edited on September 10, 2008 at 8:39 AM. Reason : ]

9/10/2008 8:29:44 AM

I woke up this morning.......damnit

9/10/2008 10:11:53 AM

lol

9/10/2008 10:48:55 AM

The title of this thread should have been:

Quote :

"How many of you are just plain dumb"

9/10/2008 12:41:59 PM

http://atlas.web.cern.ch/Atlas/GROUPS/OPERATIONS/prodSys/atlasoracleadmin/10Sep2008/beam/index.php

FEAST YOUR EYES ON THIS PEOPLE. IS IT EVERYTHING YOU HAD HOPED FOR?

9/10/2008 11:57:39 PM

I feel fine.

9/10/2008 11:58:40 PM

I almost died in my head.

9/11/2008 12:11:11 AM

wonder if there will be a baby boom in 9 months

9/11/2008 12:19:01 AM

lol wut

9/11/2008 12:27:09 AM

Someone explain to me wtf I'm looking at.

9/11/2008 8:43:48 AM

nerd shit

9/11/2008 8:46:01 AM

Death by black hole explained

Quote :

"What Happens if You Fall Into a Black Hole? You die. By Noreen Malone The world's largest scientific instrument, the Large Hadron Collider, was switched on in Switzerland on Wednesday. A few people worried that the LHC would cause the world to be swallowed up by a black hole, especially when it starts to operate at full force in the spring. What would happen if you fell into a black hole? Your body would be shredded apart into the smallest possible pieces. Neil deGrasse Tyson, director of the Hayden Planetarium at the American Museum of Natural History, who wrote the definitive account Death by Black Hole, imagined the experience as "the most spectacular way to die in space." A black hole is a place where the force of gravity is so powerful that you would need to be traveling at a speed faster than the speed of light to escape its pull. Since nothing in the universe is faster than the speed of light, nothing that falls into a black hole can ever escape. The border at which gravity becomes strong enough to create that phenomenon is known as the "event horizon"; it marks the outer boundary of the black hole. (Until the 1940s, some scientists believed that matter crusted up on the event horizon and didn't fall in.) Closer to the center, gravity is even stronger. If you were caught by the pull of a black hole, you would be sent into free fall toward its center. The pulling force would increase as you moved toward the center, creating what's called a "tidal force" on your body. That is to say, the gravity acting on your head would be much stronger than the gravity acting on your toes (assuming you were falling head-first). That would make your head accelerate faster than your toes; the difference would stretch your body until it snapped apart, first at its weakest point and then disintegrating rapidly from there as the tidal force became stronger than the chemical bonds holding your body together. You'd be reduced to a bunch of disconnected atoms. Those atoms would be stretched into a line and continue in a processional march. As Tyson described it, you would be "extruded through space like toothpaste being squeezed through a tube." No one knows for certain what happens to those atoms once they reach the center, or "singularity," of a black hole. In a small black hole—like the one predicted by the LHC doomsayers—this dissolution would occur almost immediately. In fact, for all but the largest black holes, dissolution would happen before a person even crossed the event horizon, and it would take place in a matter of billionths of a second. The more matter—and people—a black hole gobbled up, the bigger it would get. That could have the effect of making it less spectacularly deadly. As a black hole increases in size, the differences in gravitational force inside become less dramatic. If you fell into a truly gigantic black hole, the rate of change—and resulting tidal force—might not be enough to rip your body apart until after you'd crossed the event horizon. If you fell into a large enough black hole, your last moments would be a little bit like being on the inside of a distorted, one-way mirror. No one outside would be able to see you, but you'd have a view of them. Meanwhile, the gravitational pull would bend the light weirdly and distort your last moments of vision. "

http://www.slate.com/id/2199664/?gt1=38001

9/12/2008 3:09:07 PM

9/12/2008 3:12:04 PM

so the LHC got hacked. neato

http://www.sciam.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=hackers-attack-large-hadron-collide-2008-09-12

Quote :

"As the first particles began circulating in the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) this week, a group of hackers calling themselves the "Greek Security Team" penetrated computer systems inside CERN's Geneva, Switzerland, facility, where the world's biggest particle accelerator is housed, the Telegraph.co.uk reported today. The hackers were reportedly targeting the Compact Muon Solenoid Experiment (CMS), a device in Cessy, France, built to monitor a wide range of particles and phenomena produced in high-energy collisions in the LHC. The 12,500-ton detector's different layers (weighing, according to CERN, as much as 30 jumbo jets or 2,500 African elephants) stop and measure the different particles, and use this data to form a picture of events at the heart of the collision. Scientists plan to use the info to help answer questions about what the university is really made of and what forces act within it. On Wednesday, as the LHC was revving up, CMS engineers searched computers for half a dozen files uploaded by the hackers. The interlopers accessed the computer that monitors the CMS software system as the CMS collects data during particle collisions. CERN scientists says no harm was done but that the break-in raises security concerns, given that intruders were able to penetrate so close to the CMS's computer control system, according to the Telegraph.co.uk. In other words, the hackers came this close to being able to switch off some CMS controls. "We are 2600 - dont mess with us. (sic)," the group warned in a message to CERN engineers. The "2600" refers to a U.S. magazine published quarterly that appeals to the hackers worldwide by publishing technical information about telephone switching systems, the Internet and other technology, as well as computer-related news. The mindset behind the sharing of this information is to find vulnerabilities in the computer systems used by government and industry and force them to improve their security by exploiting their flaws. In fact, 2600 has become a brand in the hacker world: in addition to 2600: The Hacker Quarterly; an organization known as 2600 hosts hacker conferences and there's even a film company of that name that's made a documentary on legendary hacker Kevin Mitnick. Given the huge interest not to mention the enormity of the LHC's task, it's "highly disturbing" that hackers were able to compromise and change data on its Web site, Graham Cluley, security researcher with Sophos Plc (a security services firm based in both the UK and Burlington, Mass.) wrote in his blog today. "Theoretically," he noted, "hackers could have planted malicious code which could have stolen identities or installed malware onto the computers of millions of web visitors.""

9/12/2008 4:42:25 PM

did we die?

9/12/2008 4:43:57 PM

only a little

9/12/2008 4:44:29 PM

Quote :

"Death by black hole explained"

I take it you didn't see my post above yours regarding the black hole. If you somehow created an atomic sized black hole, it wouldn't really matter.

[Edited on September 15, 2008 at 8:35 AM. Reason : ]

9/15/2008 8:34:54 AM

haha h4c|<0rz

9/15/2008 2:11:05 PM

Death is put on hold for at least two months while the repair the damage to some melted magnets.


Woohoo new lease on life!!11

9/21/2008 5:46:11 PM

i can kill you if you want

I'm walls1441 and i approved this message.

9/21/2008 5:46:36 PM