i don't even think women should be in the friggin service to begin with but I'm behind you borkacho and understand 100%. as a great mind once spake "there are leaders, followers and dawdlers. dawdlers are lame"

9/20/2008 8:34:29 AM

I feel bad for a person that needs four years of Air Force to straighten themselves out and then plans on doing nothing with that four years after they get out. Holy shit what a waste.

9/20/2008 10:22:23 AM

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"sounds like you just wanna postpone the real world for a few more years"

9/20/2008 10:35:26 AM

^^i don't care about you feeling bad for me. some people need a little more motivation. fuck off ass.

9/21/2008 2:43:40 AM

u go girl

9/21/2008 1:30:51 PM

Don't enlist...

If you have a degree, you might qualify for Air Force OCS, but it would depend on your degree. Air Force has been cutting officers left and right for a few years now.

I knew several Air Force officers who got force shaped and it sucks hard depending on your situation.

You would have the easiest time getting accepted into Army OCS. They are changing the program, so you probably won't have to go to BCT like you used to, which is both good and bad.

You would probably earn more money in the Army if you stay in, cause unless you are a fuck up, they are on auto-promotion up to Major right now in most branches.

9/21/2008 2:18:53 PM

get a job digging ditches for a few months...that's what a combat engineer in the army does 90% of the time...you'll get all the soul-killing benefits of the army, without signing away a shitload of your rights, or becoming a drone during the prime of your life...you don't need the military to motivate you, you need to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps and man the fuck up.
I hope this doesn't make you hate me.

9/21/2008 4:11:19 PM

9/21/2008 4:15:28 PM

Are you joining or not?

9/21/2008 6:02:11 PM

what you need is a real man dat walls breed.

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9/21/2008 6:03:44 PM

hit it walls.

9/21/2008 6:04:30 PM

oh no, i was just saying in general. El borracho's got a man i think.

9/21/2008 6:06:21 PM

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"If you have a degree, you might qualify for Air Force OCS, but it would depend on your degree. Air Force has been cutting officers left and right for a few years now. "

that, and a college degree does not an officer make.

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"You would probably earn more money in the Army if you stay in, cause unless you are a fuck up, they are on auto-promotion up to Major right now in most branches. "

I think 1st Lt and Capt are automatic (based on time in grade) in every branch except for the USMC. The Marines actually have a board for Capt...but it might as well be automatic. You have to be a real fuck up of an officer not to get selected (like 96-97% or something get selected). However, it does not happen automatically at the 4 year mark (like the Navy and AF). It averages 4 years and a few months (plus or minus, which is both performance based and based on the current needs of the USMC).

I believe the Army promotes to Capt automatically at 3 years. I know they promote automatically to 1st LT at 18 months, whereas all of the other branches are at 2 years.

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"get a job digging ditches for a few months...that's what a combat engineer in the army does 90% of the time"

I know combat engineers in the USMC do WAAAY more than that. There are essentially 3 seperate pipelines for CEs. (1) Air wing CEs...they build expeditionary runways and do any other construction necessary around an airbase (2) a group that does basic construction stuff on other bases. wires up generators. digs ditches. builds fortifications, etc. (3) essentially infantry with explosives (can't be a chick, though)

I think they switch back and forth over the years, too...you might work on airfields for a couple of years, then go with the grunts and blow shit up/clear mines and barbed wire/demolish things for while.

9/21/2008 6:24:09 PM

i used to work w/ a guy that was a combat engineer in the marines; he bitched that all he ever did was drive a bulldozer

9/21/2008 7:24:40 PM

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"I think 1st Lt and Capt are automatic (based on time in grade) in every branch except for the USMC. The Marines actually have a board for Capt...but it might as well be automatic. You have to be a real fuck up of an officer not to get selected (like 96-97% or something get selected). However, it does not happen automatically at the 4 year mark (like the Navy and AF). It averages 4 years and a few months (plus or minus, which is both performance based and based on the current needs of the USMC). I believe the Army promotes to Capt automatically at 3 years. I know they promote automatically to 1st LT at 18 months, whereas all of the other branches are at 2 years. "

Sorry, I meant branches of the Army. Captain is automatic in 3 years for most branches, of the Army.

Major is, like I said, becoming automatic as well. Over the past few years ~97-98% of Captains are passing their boards and getting promoted. It's only going to get worse. It's so getting so bad, in some branches of the Army, they are waiving time in.

9/21/2008 7:37:50 PM

yeah, i don't know exactly what % are making Major in the USMC recently. it's not that high, though. 80-85% last i heard.

when you say branches of the Army, do you mean different MOS?

[Edited on September 21, 2008 at 11:36 PM. Reason : adfasd]

9/21/2008 11:35:58 PM