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9/24/2008 8:44:06 AM

3.2% BREAST MILK

9/24/2008 8:44:35 AM

9/24/2008 9:14:44 AM

Don't have time to read the entire thread, just wanted to say that, while I like non dairy ice cream of the soy variety, this just sounds absolutely horrific.

9/24/2008 9:17:38 AM

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"And they aren't "nearly vegan" by choice dipshit."

I thought I made that abundantly clear. But they are close. I saw a study that used folks from developing countries on a planted-based diet and declared vegans interchangeably.

9/24/2008 9:28:55 AM

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"I have no respect for vegetarians and vegans. Your reasoning and logic is flawed, your diet is not nearly as diverse, and you spew your nonsense out loud and attempt to curtail my choice to eat meat. Humans climbed to the top of the food chain. Why the fuck should I eat like a rabbit. If you don't want to eat meat, that's your stupid fucking choice. This is America, I can eat whatever fucking animal I want to. And no, humans and animals are not equal, "animal rights" is one of the largest piles of shit around, "humane" treatment of animals doesn't even make sense, they eat each other, thus I can eat them. And no, I'm not pro-beating/killing/torturing/etc animals. But let's get shit straight - they're fucking animals."

You do realize there can be more than one reason someone chooses to not eat meat, right? We aren't all PETA activists who want to douse you with cow blood and make it illegal to consume animal products.

If I don't want to eat meat, there is no reason that I should feel compelled to out of some kind of evolutionary duty. That's just asinine. The way we live today, it's easy to have a perfectly balanced diet without meat (and any other animal products) so long as you know what you are doing. Sure, some vegetarians/vegans don't know anything about nutrition, and they're the ones who "fail" at it, as someone said. But there are a LOT of us who know what we are doing. And the part about us having so much less diversity in our diets ... if meat-eaters actually ate the wide variety of vegetables and grains and legumes and whatnot out there, then maybe that would be true, but for the average person ... not by a long shot.

9/24/2008 9:35:21 AM

god/evolution gave you canines and incisors to intimidate lettuce, yes?

9/24/2008 9:41:57 AM

I don't give a shit about what I'm "supposed" to eat based on the way my teeth are designed, like I said. If I can be perfectly healthy eating the foods I like, which just so happen to be veggies and grains and such, then I'm not going to force myself to chomp down a steak just because I can digest it.

9/24/2008 9:48:18 AM

^^LOLLERZ


^well tell your fellow vegans/vegetarians to shut the hell up.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 9:48 AM. Reason : .]

9/24/2008 9:48:22 AM

For the record, I hate PETA as much as anyone else because everyone associates the rest of the vegetarians/vegans who aren't insane with all their bullshit. How many vegetarians have honestly come up to you and accosted you because you were eating meat? Maybe a few do it, but meat-eaters are more vocal in being condescending toward veg people than I have ever seen veg people be to them. I leave people's food choices to themselves and would never dream of talking down to someone based on their diet, and I wish people would offer me the same courtesy. If you don't know why I chose to live the way I do, don't chastise me until you know the truth.

9/24/2008 9:52:47 AM

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"I don't give a shit about what I'm "supposed" to eat based on the way my teeth are designed, like I said."

your teeth, stomach, intestines, etc...after all, what would god/evolution know about human dietary requirements?

granted, i UNDERSTAND that you can get FAIRLY complete nutrition without eating meat, but i've yet to be convinced that you can get COMPLETE nutrition without it...i could have sworn i read an article or two a few years back that suggested that certain proteins could only be EFFICIENTLY derived from meat, but i don't remember who wrote them or where they came from

all that said, i don't care if someone wants to be vegan/vegetarian...it in no way affects me and more power to you...but every single one that feels the need to protest my choice to chow down on bambi deserves to get punched in the face for being voluntarily ignorant and obnoxious

9/24/2008 9:54:53 AM

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"all that said, i don't care if someone wants to be vegan/vegetarian...it in no way affects me and more power to you...but every single one that feels the need to protest my choice to chow down on bambi deserves to get punched in the face for being voluntarily ignorant and obnoxious"

So would you agree that those of us who DON'T do that deserve the same from you? Or is it fair for you to rag on us but if we do it we're assholes?

9/24/2008 9:56:15 AM

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"So would you agree that those of us who DON'T do that deserve the same from you? Or is it fair for you to rag on us but if we do it we're assholes?"

no, it's not FAIR for me to rag on anyone for their choices that do not affect me...i do, however, find it amusing when people make a choice like going vegan/vegetarian, despite the fact that it is by no means natural...your body did not develop to be a strict vegan/vegetarian, and so the only possible reason i can think of is that you empathize with cute fuzzies about their lot in life...meat, in moderation, is not BAD for your health, certainly no more than cutting meat from your diet completely is, so you can't claim you're doing it for health reasons

9/24/2008 9:59:48 AM

I do not claim that. I, personally, do not LIKE meat. I do not like the taste or texture, and I do not enjoy eating it. That's it. No "You're mean for killing baby cows." No "I think it should be illegal to eat meat." No "It's not natural." I just do not want to eat it. Period. So me being picked on is like you picking one someone who doesn't like pork and chooses not to eat it. I just don't like eating animals. I mean good lord, I cook them every single day.

9/24/2008 10:03:08 AM

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"And no, humans and animals are not equal, "animal rights" is one of the largest piles of shit around, "humane" treatment of animals doesn't even make sense, they eat each other, thus I can eat them."

Just for the record, you're an idiot. Humans ARE FUCKING ANIMALS, DUMBASS. I love it when idiots like you make this distinction as if there are inanimate objects, plants, animals and then humans, as if we're some kind of "other" category. I've got news for you son, people are animals, just like every other fucking animal. We happen to have evolved higher intelligence and we have the numbers and technology to overpower some other animals now (And really only in certain areas of the world).

Why don't you go out into the African Sahara? You're inherently "above" animals and everything else right? I'd bet that when you go out there with nothing but your own body the tables will quickly be turned. It's only relatively recent developments that have allowed humans in certain areas to have this big advantage you know. Even a "lowly," "stupid," microscopic virus can pwn your big bad ass right into the grave you stupid fuck. There isn't even such thing as "equal" really. That's simply a human concept. Yes, we've survived due to intelligence, but we're heavily lacking in other departments such as power and the ability to survive. Lots of other organisms are FAR more able to adapt and survive than we are. Just because we're more intelligent doesn't mean we're above other shit. Why don't you go head to head with a pride of lions or maybe some elephants? You can easily think yourself out of being killed right? That's all it takes to be better than something else right?

I eat meat, but I have no delusions of grandeur when it comes to what humans are.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 10:11 AM. Reason : ]

9/24/2008 10:04:28 AM

When I start dating a girl I make sure they're not a vegetarian. I find it pretty annoying and a sign of high maintenance.

And this thread got me thinking, its been too long since I've had some sweet delicious tender veal. Might have to make that a priority in the next few days

9/24/2008 10:10:29 AM

Mmmm, meat. I honestly feel like I've been cheated out of something if I eat a meal with no meat in it.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 10:12 AM. Reason : ]

9/24/2008 10:11:20 AM

if you're going to sport this sign, you have to actually be naked.

9/24/2008 10:25:35 AM

PETA is pathetic. They truly seem to hate humans yet they just love other animals. If you want ethical treatment of animals, it has to include ALL animals. Another fact of life is that most shit in nature dies a horrible death. Shit gets eaten alive constantly. That's just how shit works. Nature isn't warm and fuzzy like they try to believe it is.

9/24/2008 10:27:31 AM

5^
well no fucking shit fuckwad. I was hoping you had the intelligence to differentiate between humans and animals. And it is because of our intelligence and capabilities that we are ABOVE animals.

If you think humans are on the same level as animals, you're the idiot. And going to hang out with a pack of lions would be stupid and deadly. See, that's part of how we are different, more intelligent. I have the sense to stay away from such things, mean while, a lions meal, does not.

And I never said that an animal/bacteria/etc couldn't kill a human. But the fact remains that humans are on top. We can survive almost anywhere animals can (except for obvious places, such as in the deep ocean, which will probably change one day), we can kill and/or eat any animal we want.

And your dumb fucking argument about thinking my way out of being killed is fucking stupid. No shit. I HAVE THE INTELLIGENCE TO BRING ALONG A GUN, SHOOT THE DAMN THING, AND TAKE IT HOME FOR DINNER IF I WANT TO.

9/24/2008 10:34:41 AM

Luck, not intelligence, has kept you away from them. You happened to be born into money, in a certain area and at a time when technology was at this level. The fact that you're a human doesn't make you shit.

I own plenty of guns, knives and other tools. That doesn't mean the fact that I'm a human makes me above everything else. You can shoot a virus in the head, execution style right?

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 10:38 AM. Reason : ]

9/24/2008 10:37:30 AM

Luck? Luck? You've got to be fucking kidding me

so a baby born to a broke, crackhead mother will be eaten by lions?

Maybe you should review the meaning of intelligence. Sure, back in the caveman days, we may have been lower on the food chain. BUT SHIT'S CHANGED.

I'm pretty sure we have the means to kill viruses. God you're a fucking moron.



[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 10:40 AM. Reason : .]

9/24/2008 10:38:05 AM

A baby born in the right location, in the right time period and without todays technology is certainly more at risk to be killed by any number of organisms. You brought that whole faggot crackhead shit into it. You're thinking about only today. Today is simply the blink of an eye in terms of how long we've been around.

^ Again, you have to fall back on the shit everybody else has provided you. Without it, you'd be nothing. That makes you more pathetic than pretty much everything else out there.

Again, go out into the Saharan landscape with nothing but yourself. You and I both know it's not going to work and you'll die quickly. That makes you way shittier at living than pretty much every other organism on the face of the earth.

Our little faggot society and technology can be wiped away in the blink of an eye. As a species, we are no longer prepared to go back to the basic methods of living our evolution has "designed" us for. We rely heavily on technology that is highly dependent on way too many things. To think that we'll outlast viruses and other organisms is absurd. That makes them above us, fag. Intelligence isn't all you need to "win" this game. You're defining what's above other things based on one simple factor. A virus doesn't need anything but itself to fuck your world up. Without your precious medicines you'd be fucked too.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 10:44 AM. Reason : ]

9/24/2008 10:39:48 AM

No I'm talking about the past hundreds of years and the future dumbass.

WHY THE FUCK WOULD I CARE ABOUT A FUCKING CAVEMAN? IS THAT RELEVANT TO ME? NO.

Ok, learn what intelligence means. Apply it to humans. Then come back.

The fact that humans have the means to kill any animal puts them on top.

Just like animals and evolution. By your argument, before lions were as we know them today, say, without large teeth, etc., they wouldn't be shit either, thus any argument is made invalid.

PURE FUCKING STUPID.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 10:42 AM. Reason : .]

9/24/2008 10:41:25 AM

You're one of the dumbest folks I've spoken with. I can only hope that you come face to face with how minuscule you really are in the very near future.

No evolutionary step can be without use. ie - it's not likely that whatever lions evolved from was ever useless or unable to defend itself/fight. There weren't lions without teeth before there were "regular" lions. Evolution can't "see" into the future, it's simply selection. Thus, no step along the way is done with a planned out path for the future. Your tooth "argument" is retarded.

As far as evolution providing us with tools, I beg to differ. We've provided ourselves with tools due to our gradual collection of information. However, if that information were lost, we wouldn't have those tools anymore. We didn't "evolve" tools.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 10:54 AM. Reason : ]

9/24/2008 10:47:07 AM

lolz. Because some dumbshit's opinion of me matters

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 10:51 AM. Reason : I'll be watching out for those lions as I check the mail tonight]

9/24/2008 10:51:01 AM

I'm sure you will because I understand that you're just that dumb. Watch out for those viruses too. Oh I forgot, you can just shoot them.

9/24/2008 10:55:15 AM

yeh, because I said I could shoot a virus?

maybe if you had some intelligence, you'd know how humans can kill animals, viruses, bacteria, etc.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 10:59 AM. Reason : I don't know how much more of your stupidity I can take. It's agonizing. ]

9/24/2008 10:56:37 AM

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"I'm pretty sure we have the means to kill viruses. God you're a fucking moron."

Um, actually, we don't. I believe you put it like this:

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"God you're a fucking moron."

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 11:02 AM. Reason : Well, maybe I'll give you some credit. If you have the cure for HIV then I'll give you this one.]

9/24/2008 11:00:41 AM

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"I do not claim that. I, personally, do not LIKE meat. I do not like the taste or texture, and I do not enjoy eating it. That's it. No "You're mean for killing baby cows." No "I think it should be illegal to eat meat." No "It's not natural." I just do not want to eat it. Period. So me being picked on is like you picking one someone who doesn't like pork and chooses not to eat it. I just don't like eating animals. I mean good lord, I cook them every single day."

do you really think you represent the majority of vegans and vegetarians? that they don't like the texture or taste? there are many varieties of texture and taste in terms of meat, and since i'm sure you haven't tried them all, it's like saying you don't like fruit when you've only had grapes...i'm not saying you SHOULD try them all, but to claim you do not like an entire class of food based on a few instances AND the subsequent choice of refusing to eat that food ever again (again based on limited experiences) smacks of lame excuses

i would never presume to try to dictate to you what you should and shouldn't do with your own body (as long as it doesn't affect me in any way)...but i find it amusing that you take your limited experiences and apply it to something so broad and claim that's the ONLY reason you refuse to try it ever again

have you ever had meat cooked so tenderly that it falls off the bone? that it literally melts in your mouth? or have you had it so well done that you have gnaw on it for 10 minutes just to swallow? have you tried marbled brisket instead of lean? are you saying that fish and chicken have the same flavor and texture as pork or beef? there are so many varieties and the texture, at least, can be compared to various vegetables and the way those vegetables are cooked

i just have a hard time believing you have sworn off ALL meat (even the ones you've never tried) ONLY because of the texture/taste of a few

9/24/2008 11:02:14 AM

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"PETA is so fucking weird i think sometimes they must do some of this shit for the lulz"

yep, still fucking hate peta though

9/24/2008 11:02:23 AM

listen guy, if i for no reason at all take away a lion's strength, he's fucked. but why would i do that for the sake of conversation? that's what a lion is. a big strong animal.

so why would you take away human intelligence for the sake of argument? it doesn't make any sense.

that's like if you got your ass kicked and then retorted with 'yeah well, if we fought while i was my current age and you were six, i'd win easy'.

9/24/2008 11:02:31 AM

I hate seafood gmoneymire. But pretty much all seafood has a "fishy" taste, which is the part that I hate so much about it.

Anybody that hates beef, pork and chicken is a retard though son.

^ Dude, nobody said take away your intelligence. I said to take the intelligence with you. You're WAY too hung up on lions specifically. Take ANY organism including HIV. Yes, we've amassed tools, no we haven't evolved them. Without everything to make the tools we're fucked. People without access to the tools are on a much more even playing field. That's the point, retard.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 11:05 AM. Reason : ]

9/24/2008 11:03:48 AM

^^thank you.

and is HIV the only virus in the world now???

9/24/2008 11:04:22 AM

Not to get in the way of your pissing match, but we can definitely destroy viruses. Although they're not quite "alive" so you can't really "kill" them.

9/24/2008 11:05:08 AM

Before they've gotten in your body, yes. Once infected, not really. And again, without lots of other folks producing your shit, you're not going to be able to do so. You aren't inherently born with the ability to overpower everything. That's why the death rate was incredibly high before recent times. If we lose this knowledge, we're not shit. By ourselves, we're not shit. It's only when we overpopulate to an incredible degree that we're able to do this and even then we're not shit. Viruses still kill us, animals still kill us, etc. You have to rely on shit other people have made for you in order to survive. If society collapses, most people will simply wither up and die.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 11:08 AM. Reason : ]

9/24/2008 11:05:52 AM

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"I hate seafood gmoneymire. But pretty much all seafood has a "fishy" taste, which is the part that I hate so much about it."

that makes more sense to me, though...you're taking the entire class of meat, just a part with similar taste...of course, certain types of GOOD seafood (i'm thinking of salmon, but i suppose that's more fresh water), if done correctly, don't have the "fishy" taste

i'm probably just being a selective ass, though

9/24/2008 11:06:34 AM

are you guys seriously putting in effort to argue about lions v humans?

really?

9/24/2008 11:07:24 AM

Nah, other folks are getting bent out of shape over one example when they know that was just one of many. Of course there are thousands of other examples that are just as easy to prove. Without this very fragile, recently developed society, humans aren't able to overpower everything else. If you're ever attacked by a bear or the like without your guns, I'm sure you'll understand this.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 11:10 AM. Reason : ]

9/24/2008 11:10:12 AM

well...that's sort of one of our species defining traits.

9/24/2008 11:11:48 AM

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"since i'm sure you haven't tried them all, it's like saying you don't like fruit when you've only had grapes...i'm not saying you SHOULD try them all, but to claim you do not like an entire class of food based on a few instances AND the subsequent choice of refusing to eat that food ever again (again based on limited experiences) smacks of lame excuses"

I mean, I haven't tried alligator and squirrel and the like, but I'm perfectly OK with that. And while I have been a vegetarian for many years, I do periodically try different meats just to see if my tastes have changed, and I really still don't like them. But honestly, I've found something that works for me and makes me happy, so I don't particularly care that I don't enjoy meat. And I am not saying all vegetarians are like me, but I am tired of people just assuming that because I am a vegetarian I'm [insert whatever stereotypes you want here]. I'm a very nice person, and I don't feel like I should be attacked and called retarded/stupid/etc. by people I've done nothing to based on a personal choice I have made that only affects me. I just want to eat my tofu in peace, please

9/24/2008 11:13:38 AM

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"well...that's sort of one of our species defining traits."

Exactly, we have intelligence, yet we lack many other useful abilities. We aren't above everything else. We've temporarily overpopulated (Something that will self regulate) and are relying on ever more fragile systems to survive. For the most part we've stopped passing along information on how to survive off of the land and we rely on others for everything. When this society falls apart we wont be shit. We aren't shit, we're just lucky to have been born into this time.

Look into the death rates in recent history, we aren't shit, this is a temporary relatively safe haven we've created. Intelligence isn't everything in this game, survivability is. Lots of other organisms have us beat there. The point is simply that humans are animals, like everything else. We aren't some other category of organism. We're animals. We happen to have more intelligence, which has positive and negative effects. We lack other qualities that certain other organisms have. Without all of this shit you have, you're nothing.

If all you need is your brain, then by all means go out into the wilderness with nothing but yourself and prove it.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 11:19 AM. Reason : ]

9/24/2008 11:15:54 AM

where's that carl face at?

9/24/2008 11:17:34 AM

you're probably underestimating human adaptability by a few orders of magnitude....

humans are actually pretty versatile

9/24/2008 11:18:31 AM

I didn't say we can't adapt, I said we can't adapt as well as a lot of other organisms.

9/24/2008 11:19:44 AM

how hard is this to comprehend? humans are intelligent. thus when they go hunting for large, dangerous game, they take a gun, which was invented because of???? you guessed it, human intelligence. I haven't seen a lion with a gun yet...

9/24/2008 11:20:21 AM

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"humans are intelligent."

based on this thread, I would disagree.

9/24/2008 11:23:22 AM

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" I have no respect for vegetarians and vegans. Your reasoning and logic is flawed, your diet is not nearly as diverse, and you spew your nonsense out loud and attempt to curtail my choice to eat meat."

I bet this guy eats some variation on meat and potatoes 5 nights a week. many people say they eat a much wider variety of food as a vegetarian. how many people do you know that eat chicken every single day? while excluding a set number of items from ones diet might reduce the available pool of dietary diversity in theory, in practice one might find that it opens much wider.

9/24/2008 11:23:39 AM

^^^Again, I own a lot of guns. Other people had to make them for me. Do you make guns? Do you make ammo? Can you produce gun powder, primers and bullets? Without the information and structure, you wont have that stuff. That's the point. It's extremely fragile and temporary. It doesn't make you above other shit.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 11:24 AM. Reason : ]

9/24/2008 11:23:53 AM

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"I mean, I haven't tried alligator and squirrel and the like, but I'm perfectly OK with that. And while I have been a vegetarian for many years, I do periodically try different meats just to see if my tastes have changed, and I really still don't like them. But honestly, I've found something that works for me and makes me happy, so I don't particularly care that I don't enjoy meat. And I am not saying all vegetarians are like me, but I am tired of people just assuming that because I am a vegetarian I'm [insert whatever stereotypes you want here]. I'm a very nice person, and I don't feel like I should be attacked and called retarded/stupid/etc. by people I've done nothing to based on a personal choice I have made that only affects me. I just want to eat my tofu in peace, please"

no, you're right...i definitely apply the overwhelming stereotype(s) to anyone who claims to be vegan/vegetarian for that very reason and that's not especially fair...i'm sure you're a very nice person and i'm glad you've found something that works for you

FWIW, the texture of tofu is none to appetizing to me, regardless of what it tastes like

9/24/2008 11:24:23 AM