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"For the first time ever, I think something that this jackass said is spot on."

You need to listen more often

At the very least you should agree with my stance on science that I always spit in TSB when retards like aaronburro pony up their worthless opinions

10/3/2008 10:56:08 AM

a woman beauty is her curse, and it def applies to palin. shes a hot milf any her face is just too distracting and everyone just wants to plow right through her. no one could ever talk her serious to very high political seat, because they would always envision her naked, and wonder how does she trim her bush. make no mistake, i'd hit it.

10/3/2008 10:57:39 AM

im just glad she didnt break out the jazz flute in her closing remarks

if she were smart she would have came out for the debate in a swimsuit

10/3/2008 11:01:19 AM

Exhibit #1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHU_gRWFV2g

10/3/2008 11:02:50 AM

WASHINGTON - Republican Sarah Palin criticized a version of a Barack Obama health care plan that doesn't exist and Democrat Joe Biden clung to a misleading charge about Republicans and big oil when the two clashed in the vice presidential debate Thursday.

Some examples of facts cast adrift in the debate:

PALIN: Said of Democratic presidential candidate Obama: "94 times he voted to increase taxes or not support a tax reduction."

THE FACTS: The dubious count includes repetitive votes as well as votes to cut taxes for the middle class while raising them on the rich. An analysis by factcheck. org found that 23 of the votes were for measures that would have produced no tax increase at all, seven were in favor of measures that would have lowered taxes for many, 11 would have increased taxes on only those making more than $1 million a year.

BIDEN: Complained about "economic policies of the last eight years" that led to "excessive deregulation."

THE FACTS: Biden voted for 1999 deregulation that liberal groups are blaming for part of the financial crisis today. The law allowed Wall Street investment banks to create the kind of mortgage-related securities at the core of the problem now. The law was widely backed by Republicans as well as by Democratic President Clinton, who argues it has stopped the crisis today from being worse.

PALIN: Criticized Obama's "plan to mandate health care coverage and have universal government run program" for health care, and added: "I don't think it's going to be real pleasing for Americans to consider health care being taken over by the Feds."

THE FACTS: Wrong on several counts. Obama's plan does not provide for universal coverage, only mandates insurance for children and doesn't turn the system over to the government. Most people would still get private insurance through their work. Obama proposes that the government subsidize the cost of health coverage for millions who have trouble affording it and he'd set up an exchange to negotiate prices and benefits with private insurers — with one option being a government-run plan.

BIDEN: Warned that Republican presidential candidate John McCain's $5,000 tax credit to help families buy health coverage "will go straight to the insurance company."

THE FACTS: That's not surprising — the money is meant to pay for health insurance. The Obama campaign tried to capitalize on the candidates' health care exchange by issuing an ad Friday contending that the Republicans can't explain "the McCain health tax."

PALIN: "Two years ago, remember, it was John McCain who pushed so hard with the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac reform measures. He sounded that warning bell."

THE FACTS: Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska led an effort in 2005 to tighten regulation on the mortgage underwriters — McCain joined as a co-sponsor a year later. The legislation was never taken up by the full Senate, then under Republican control.

BIDEN: Said McCain supports tax breaks for oil companies, and "wants to give them another $4 billion tax cut."

THE FACTS: Biden is repeating a favorite saw of the Obama campaign, and it's misleading. McCain supports a cut in income taxes for all corporations, and doesn't single out any one industry for that benefit.

PALIN: Said the United States has reduced its troop level in Iraq to a number below where it was when the troop increase began in early 2007.

THE FACTS: Not correct. The Pentagon says there are currently 152,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, about 17,000 more than there were before the 2007 military buildup began.

BIDEN: "As a matter of fact, John recently wrote an article in a major magazine saying that he wants to do for the health care industry — deregulate it and let the free market move — like he did for the banking industry."

THE FACTS: Biden and Obama have been perpetuating this distortion of what McCain wrote in an article for the American Academy of Actuaries. McCain, laying out his health plan, only referred to deregulation when saying people should be allowed to buy health insurance across state lines. In that context, he wrote: "Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation."

PALIN: Said Alaska is "building a nearly $40 billion natural gas pipeline, which is North America's largest and most expensive infrastructure project ever to flow those sources of energy into hungry markets."

THE FACTS: Not quite. Construction is at least six years away. So far the state has only awarded a license to Trans Canada Corp., that comes with $500 million in seed money in exchange for commitments toward a lengthy and costly process to getting a federal certificate. At an August news conference after the state Legislature approved the license, Palin said, "It's not a done deal."

PALIN: "Barack Obama even supported increasing taxes as late as last year for those families making only $42,000 a year."

BIDEN: "The charge is absolutely not true. Barack Obama did not vote to raise taxes."

THE FACTS: The vote was on a nonbinding budget resolution that assumed that President Bush's tax cuts would expire, as scheduled, in 2011. If that actually happened, it could mean higher taxes for people making as little as about $42,000. But Obama is proposing tax increases only on the wealthy, and would cut taxes for most others.

PALIN: Said a McCain-Palin administration "will support Israel," including "building our embassy ... in Jerusalem."

THE FACTS: Moving the U.S. Embassy from its present location in Tel Aviv to Jerusalem is a perennial promise of presidential candidates courting the Jewish-American vote. In fact, moving the embassy is actually required by U.S. law. But successive administrations of both parties, including George W. Bush's, have made the same pledge only to find that the realities of Middle East peacemaking have forced them to invoke a waiver to delay it. Jerusalem is claimed as a capital by both Israel and the Palestinians and Israel's occupation of east Jerusalem is not internationally recognized. The city's status is one of the key issues of disagreement in peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians.

10/3/2008 11:07:26 AM

did that come from factcheck?
it'd be nice to have a link with that

[Edited on October 3, 2008 at 11:16 AM. Reason : c]

10/3/2008 11:16:32 AM

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"The guy's never worked a day in his life. He was an "organizer" in Chicago. I just organized my desk. I guess I should run for office too."

Comments like this show a complete and utter lack of critical thinking and analytical thought. its just regurgitated talking points people use because they heard it on television by a pundit and therefore they think it immediately holds wait as being smart and making a solid point. This. is. not. the. case.

To reduce what the contributions of a community organizer by using a literal interpretation of the word and place it on par with "organizing your desk" is entirely intellectually disingenuous. i challenge you all who are so pro mccain/palin to actually be novel for once. tell us something new, and stop taking questions about the qualifications about your candidate to the qualifications of the obama/biden ticket.

As a community organizer for Chicago (which affected more people than being mayor of wasilla) he brought people together to work for a common good for their community and supported ways for those dense communities to support the needs of the entire community without sacrificing the desired needs of the individuals, which often falls victim to the common good. He implemented various services to increase the quality of life and started and managed programs in order to provide jobs and safety to further insure the effectiveness of this new start. Thats just the start. All of which is far more noble a task than most of you have ever done with your self-involved and community lacking lives.

10/3/2008 11:17:00 AM

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"did that come from factcheck? it'd be nice to have a link with that"

yeah, i think so. I got it off of a myspace bulletin. working on getting the link. I knew they both said some shit that wasn't true, i just wish they would have called each other out on it.

here's the link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081003/ap_on_el_pr/debate_fact_check



[Edited on October 3, 2008 at 11:19 AM. Reason : d]

10/3/2008 11:18:31 AM

Quote :

"Barack Obama did not vote"

10/3/2008 11:19:23 AM

Quote :

"a woman beauty is her curse, and it def applies to palin. shes a hot milf any her face is just too distracting and everyone just wants to plow right through her. no one could ever talk her serious to very high political seat, because they would always envision her naked, and wonder how does she trim her bush. make no mistake, i'd hit it."

Counter-example:

Yulia Tymoshenko (my boo):



way hotter than that crusty bitch Palin, plus she's a highly respected, capable politician/human being. She has been rated multiple times as the 3rd most powerful woman in the world (behind Condi and one other, can't remember who).

BTW If you'd fuck Palin you're ridiculously low on options and are either stupid, blind, or desperate for tang

10/3/2008 11:35:24 AM

^so...what you're saying is...you'd fuck palin

10/3/2008 11:37:53 AM

^burnnnnnnnnnn hahaha

10/3/2008 11:39:11 AM

10/3/2008 11:39:13 AM

You really think she is a hotter milf than Palin? She probably stepped int the political arena without presenting herself as a 'hockey-mom' and a 'pitbull with lipstick' and probably did not take topless photos in a past life either, so she set the tone of how one is to view her, unlike Palin.

10/3/2008 11:40:04 AM

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"You really think she is a hotter milf than Palin? She probably stepped int the political arena without presenting herself as a 'hockey-mom' and a 'pitbull with lipstick' and probably did not take topless photos in a past life either, so she set the tone of how one is to view her, unlike Palin."

It's not hard to look up her background and why she's obviously capable, respected, and powerful. If you don't think she's hotter than Palin I have no fucking idea what to say to you.

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"^so...what you're saying is...you'd fuck palin"

I've hit some pretty monstrous dry streaks in my life but I'm not going to fuck a moderately attractive 40 something.

[Edited on October 3, 2008 at 11:44 AM. Reason : .]

10/3/2008 11:43:05 AM

i like her hair

10/3/2008 11:43:59 AM

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"As a community organizer for Chicago (which affected more people than being mayor of wasilla) he brought people together to work for a common good for their community and supported ways for those dense communities to support the needs of the entire community without sacrificing the desired needs of the individuals, which often falls victim to the common good. He implemented various services to increase the quality of life and started and managed programs in order to provide jobs and safety to further insure the effectiveness of this new start. Thats just the start. All of which is far more noble a task than most of you have ever done with your self-involved and community lacking lives."

sounds like he sat in a bunch of meetings, wow, hurray, vote for me!

whatever.

10/3/2008 11:44:21 AM

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"sounds like he sat in a bunch of meetings, wow, hurray, vote for me! whatever."

hurfedly durfedly

Sounds like pretty much 95% of office workers in America

10/3/2008 11:45:14 AM

exactly, i wouldn't vote for them for president either

10/3/2008 11:46:11 AM

^^I have concluded that you are not worth volleying post with. You user name suits you quite well. Carry on.

[Edited on October 3, 2008 at 11:47 AM. Reason : asdf]

10/3/2008 11:47:08 AM

actually those list of duties appear to be pretty presidential to me. once again taking and reducing it to its very basics isn't entirely honest. one could say that it sounds like senators, governors, house reps, and even presidents sit around in a bunch of meetings every day- which they do but breaking it down to this simplistic nature of it would be unfair. The duties for which he was responsible under that role are important duties that I would like to see carried out by this next president on a larger scale.

10/3/2008 11:49:40 AM

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"exactly, i wouldn't vote for them for president either"

But you'd vote for a hockey mom who is obviously in the bottom 2% rung of politicians in terms of intellectual capability

10/3/2008 11:50:30 AM

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"The duties for which he was responsible under that role are important duties that I would like to see carried out by this next president on a larger scale."

personally i would rather he not waste his time with community building and actually deal with issues like foreign trade

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"But you'd vote for a hockey mom who is obviously in the bottom 2% rung of politicians in terms of intellectual capability"

i think you're grossly overestimating the intellectual capabilities of 97% of politicians

[Edited on October 3, 2008 at 11:52 AM. Reason : political dicks]

10/3/2008 11:51:06 AM

[Edited on October 3, 2008 at 11:55 AM. Reason : says it all.]

10/3/2008 11:53:57 AM

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"i think you're grossly overestimating the intellectual capabilities of 97% of politicians"

All I'm saying is, they're smart enough to at least form truth-evaluable propositions about subjects they should know something about

Not to say some of them know anything about these issues, but at least they can form complete thoughts that could either be true or false

10/3/2008 11:58:08 AM

i believe the democrats would win this election by a long shot if Biden would have run as president. although i normally vote republican, i believe i would vote for Biden. i'm going to have to stick with mccain/palin on this one.

10/3/2008 11:59:24 AM

I don't know about you guys, but I sure was relieved to hear Palin's stance on greed and corruption. Get this - she's against it! How about the American people? Get this - she's for us! glad she cleared the air about that.

all politicians use glittering generalities, but Palin doesn't ever say anything else

10/3/2008 11:59:33 AM

10/3/2008 12:00:07 PM

^^LOL

10/3/2008 12:01:28 PM

biden acts like a real cocksucker

palin is a lying moron who attracts the braindead

they might as well not even use vice presidents, they all suck. i'd hate for either of them to be president

and what if president and vice president die

would that put pelosi in charge?

10/3/2008 12:02:03 PM

I don't like either, I liked Biden enough to maybe vote for that ticket, but after Biden self-proclaiming himself as an expert on global warming, i've decided to just not vote.

10/3/2008 12:03:36 PM

well Obama is about 1,000 years younger than McCain so don't worry too much, jackleg

10/3/2008 12:04:25 PM

Biden's early version of the Patriot Act and support for the RIAA terrifies me.

10/3/2008 12:05:43 PM

Thanks for those facts Eric. Thats what I hate about debates they both spout off so many lies and nontruths.

The debates would be perfect if they did them VH1 Pop Up Video style or like Blind Date.

10/3/2008 12:06:35 PM

The Presidential Succession Act of 1947, signed by President Harry Truman, changed the order again to what it is today. The cabinet members are ordered in the line of succession according to the date their offices were established.

Prior to the ratification of the 25th Amendment in 1967, there was no provision for filling a vacancy in the vice presidency. When a president died in office, the vice president succeeded him, and the vice presidency then remained vacant. The first vice president to take office under the new procedure was Gerald Ford, who was nominated by Nixon on Oct. 12, 1973, and confirmed by Congress the following Dec. 6.

* The Vice President Dick Cheney
* Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi
* President pro tempore of the Senate1 Robert Byrd
* Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice
* Secretary of the Treasury Henry Paulson
* Secretary of Defense Robert Gates
* Attorney General Michael Mukasey
* Secretary of the Interior Dirk Kempthorne
* Secretary of Agriculture Edward T. Schafer
* Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez2
* Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao3
* Secretary of Health and Human Services Mike Leavitt
* Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Steven C. Preston
* Secretary of Transportation Mary E. Peters
* Secretary of Energy Samuel Bodman
* Secretary of Education Margaret Spellings
* Secretary of Veterans Affairs James Peake
* Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff

Quote :

"The debates would be perfect if they did them VH1 Pop Up Video style or like Blind Date."

i might would even order that style on pay per view. how funny would that shit be

[Edited on October 3, 2008 at 12:07 PM. Reason : sdf]

10/3/2008 12:06:40 PM

nerdchick for the first time ever i am worried

and i still dont know who i'll vote for, and it's a month away. this is really a tough choice for me, i hate this 2 party thing. i'd vote for barr if he had a chance in hell

which is one of many reasons it's ridiculous that they're letting people register and vote on the same day and bussing them in

10/3/2008 12:07:34 PM

WELCOME TO THE 60s!


the era of political peace and well being in the U.S.

10/3/2008 12:09:26 PM

i think i'm just gonna hang out at the homeless shelter on election day pretend i dont know who to vote for

make a quick 100 off the democrats

10/3/2008 12:10:38 PM

I don't think 3rd party votes are wasted. the Libertarians have a good chance of winning some local positions in NC. And even though they won't win the presidency, a 3rd party forces the main guys to pay attention to issues they'd normally ignore.

10/3/2008 12:12:34 PM

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"I don't know about you guys, but I sure was relieved to hear Palin's stance on greed and corruption. Get this - she's against it! "

And John McCain knows what evil looks like!

10/3/2008 12:13:54 PM

also, you can't register and vote on Nov 4th. maybe you mean the early voting? starting Oct 16 and ending Nov 1 you can register and cast an absentee ballot on the same day.

10/3/2008 12:15:01 PM

^^
ah yes, the face of evil.

10/3/2008 12:16:42 PM

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"The debates would be perfect if they did them VH1 Pop Up Video style or like Blind Date."

Ihatespida for president?

10/3/2008 12:17:06 PM

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"I don't like either, I liked Biden enough to maybe vote for that ticket, but after Biden self-proclaiming himself as an expert on global warming, i've decided to just not vote."

Good because it seems like you're too stupid to hold the responsibility

10/3/2008 12:18:34 PM

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"Ihatespida for president?"

that was Elimidate, duh

10/3/2008 12:21:16 PM

forgive me if i'm wrong but I remember Biden saying that Global Warming WAS caused by man and industry and the only way we can stop it is to invest in alternative energy sources.

granted i'm not saying that it wouldn't help if we did that, but to state that it is solely on man and to be so sure of it is ignorant.

10/3/2008 12:22:54 PM

how about saying that you don't know what causes global warming, but we need a solution

durrr ... if you don't know the cause of something it's gonna be hard to find a solution

10/3/2008 12:25:47 PM

Pretty sure he said lots of variables affected it but most certainly we made matters worse.

[Edited on October 3, 2008 at 12:26 PM. Reason : jjj]

10/3/2008 12:25:55 PM

MORE LIKE

SARAH FAIL-IN

AMIRITE

10/3/2008 12:26:28 PM

dgspencer, this is the second time on this page youve brought that up.

if thats the only reason why you wouldnt vote for this ticket then you probably shouldnt vote at all.

there was so much more that was said on both sides that you should have issues with so im a little perplexed as to why that comment is your ONLY focus in this discussion.

10/3/2008 12:28:36 PM