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"As far as proving I am a us citizen, I can, that is why I wanted to know why the whole thing became an issue. He is running for president so his life is supposed to be an open book. If he does not like it then get out of the race. It seems he gave a lot of resistance to such a simple question."

He did provide a birth certificate, to which people claim it was fake.

I just don't believe that he could get this far along in the process if he's not a natural born citizen. Just does not make sense to me. The Clinton campaign could've and would've figured that out, and it would've been over.

10/26/2008 12:07:17 AM

i think the fact that we are even questioning it means they win

10/26/2008 12:13:10 AM

there were clinton supporters who tried to show he was born in kenya and they were forced to conclude that he was born in hawaii after looking into it

the lawsuit isnt even about that

10/26/2008 12:18:17 AM

Exactly. The problem is that when you're grasping at straws, you just start grabbing whatever you can.

10/26/2008 12:19:16 AM

i mean at least they got the "spreading the wealth" comment to go with...this is just dumb

10/26/2008 12:20:48 AM

I would need a tape of R.Kelly pissing on the girl, while singing "Piss on you", and the girl is holding 2 forms of government ID. Also a police officer in the room, and 4 or 5 of my buddies and Neil taking notes AND his grandmother has to be there to confirm his identity.

10/26/2008 4:11:03 AM

I'd almost rather debate this than any legitimate issues because with this one, I can immediately tell if somebody is batshit insane.

10/26/2008 10:08:04 AM

^Agreed... what scares me most about this thread is the complete and utter denial in the face of all contrary evidence:

Poster 1: "If Obama is a legal US Citizen with nothing to hide, then why hasn't he provided the documents proving that he wasn't born in Kenya?"

Poster 2: "He did. Refer to [testimony from people who held the proof in their hands and took pictures of it]."

Poster 1: "But if he's going to be president, why hasn't he provided these documents?"


I don't even know what sort of mental disorder can prompt behavior like that... does TSB have any psychologists for a diagnosis?

10/26/2008 10:46:39 AM

Diagnosis is a mixture of jealousy and being sore losers.

10/26/2008 10:51:56 AM

redwop keeps saying stuff like:

Quote :

"Again if it is all a bunch if crap then provide the documents proving he was not born in Kenya. Simple enough and it will shut everyone up."

...as if anyone beyond a fringe group of lunatics are saying anything about it.

What would he possibly gain from appeasing you loonies? It would simply bring national attention to your wacko theories.

Plus, you guys acting the way you do on this subject simply makes the GOP look that much less-appealing this year. I genuinely hope you're discussing this lunacy with your coworkers. It's sure to push fence-sitters towards Obama.

10/26/2008 3:54:46 PM

I just realized something.

I can't prove i wasn't born in Kenya.

10/26/2008 4:51:40 PM

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"What would he possibly gain from appeasing you loonies?"

ummm, it would shut them up, maybe?

10/26/2008 10:25:22 PM

Would it?

10/26/2008 10:35:43 PM

And, why would HE gain anything from that? Do you think he feels this personal need to quiet this fringe group? He may not even be aware that there are people doubting his citizenship.

10/26/2008 10:38:15 PM

^^^My point was-- why should Obama care what you loonies are saying? Who cares if you shut up or not?

The only people buying this bullshit are cretins desperate for a reason to hate Obama; not a single one of you would ever vote for him, even if he were to allow each and every one of you morons to personally inspect his original birth certificate.

Taking the time to publicly discredit you clowns would only add fuel to the stupidity.

[Edited on October 26, 2008 at 10:39 PM. Reason : ]

10/26/2008 10:39:09 PM

Quote :

"I just realized something. I can't prove i wasn't born in Kenya. "

Especially when it comes to convincing some of these yahoos.

10/26/2008 10:39:50 PM

so, I'm just curious, then. If Obama weren't, in fact, a natural born citizen, would you care?

btw, there are more doubts about his citizenship than just the Kenyan story, and these doubts are far more credible.

10/26/2008 10:46:52 PM

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"If Obama weren't, in fact, a natural born citizen, would you care?"

Of course everyone would have to care. It'd be illegal.

10/26/2008 10:48:12 PM

The "Legitimate" press, as well as democrats laughed off the National Enquirer when it broke the Edwards-is-a-cheatin-hound story. And it turned out full of truthiness.

So simply brushing off an allegation, especially one this important, doesn't mean it might not be true.

Maybe have the FBI check this out. They're good at digging into people's lives.

10/26/2008 11:39:50 PM

DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT NO ONE HAS ALREADY "CHECKED THIS OUT"

REALLY?

10/26/2008 11:45:35 PM

^^ I have to disagree. Several liberal outlets, including slate.com, very clearly said there must be something going on. Also, you surely see that whether or not the media ignored the edwards story, 1.) this one is much bigger and 2.) that doesn't mean they'd ignore this one.

Personally, I think they'd make so much money, they'd have to deal with it pretty widely.

[Edited on October 26, 2008 at 11:46 PM. Reason : .]

10/26/2008 11:45:37 PM

Boone, if you cannot have a mature conversation without personal attacks then STFU. Especially when no personal attacks were made towards you. The Constitution protects my freedom of speech and if you don't like my views then too damn bad. I am not a republican. I am not a democrate although I am registered as one because my parents are democrats. For the record, have voted democrat in the past more than I have ever voted for any republican. Oh yeah, I don't go to church and don't believe in God so stop acting like you know me.

I do think Obama needs to put the issue to bed rather than dodging the question. I bet you think OJ was inocent because he was not found guilty of murder. On another note, would you vote for McCain if he was buddies with Timothy McVay? How about if he was friends with the Unabomber. I don't see how people can ignore Obama's friendship with Ayers. If McCain was friends with Ayers his campain would be over. I tell you what, I feel more comfortable with McCain (even if he is a republican) over someone who has used cocaine, not served his country,(<--- sounds alot like Bush ) and has friends the such as Ayers, Farikan, and Rev Wright. You vote for whom every you like as will I.

10/26/2008 11:47:39 PM

he has put the fucking issue to rest, he made his birth cert available for people to hold and take pictures of


i mean fuck, how about you prove you were not born in kenya. i bet you can not do it to the standards you are holding.



also, mccain has connections a lot worse than ayers but that is another thread

mccain-iran contra
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_iran_contra

mccain-columbian terrorists
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/02/mccain-fundraiser-oversaw_n_110354.html

mccain- liddy
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/18/1702/9973/600/634018

[Edited on October 26, 2008 at 11:55 PM. Reason : .]

10/26/2008 11:51:46 PM

I am not running for president so it does not really matter if I was born in Kenya




Oh btw, if he does win, I hope he does a great job. It would be refreshing to say the least.

10/26/2008 11:54:46 PM

I agree with the above post ^^ about his birth certificate. What would put this to rest? What more proof would like him to provide?

[Edited on October 26, 2008 at 11:56 PM. Reason : .]

10/26/2008 11:55:42 PM

redwop, you are missing my point.

how would you prove that you were not born in kenya? what standard of proof could you provide? wouldn't a birth certificate and a post in the newspaper about your birth be more than adequate?

do you not think that other people have looked into this?


actually, prove that mccain was born in the us (well us controlled territory). can you prove it to the standard you have set?

[Edited on October 27, 2008 at 12:01 AM. Reason : .]

10/26/2008 11:57:31 PM

Granted those folks have a shady past but not like any of them were found guilty of being an american bombing other americans. I sorta have a huge problem with that, but hey, maybe that is just me. But hey Bill Clinton pardoned him so I guess I should trust him.

10/27/2008 12:03:19 AM

HOLY

SHIT

RETARDS

10/27/2008 12:04:22 AM

^^ Ayers was never actually found guilty of that. And the Weatherman Underground's goal was never to bomb other Americans, they would generally try to make sure an area was evacuated and bombed buildings and statues. Not to mention Ayers was well known in Illinois as an strong proponent of education reform since the late 80s, with practically no mention of his past, and when his past was mentioned, it was always noted he was reformed.

And the Anneberg foundation certainly had no problem with Ayers, nor did the University of Chicago.

[Edited on October 27, 2008 at 12:07 AM. Reason : ]

10/27/2008 12:07:02 AM

so obama might have been born in kenya cause he served on the same board of directors as that ayers guy?

10/27/2008 12:08:35 AM

I have my original birth certificate just as I am sure most of you do. According to the article posted he has not provided an original birth certificate and there is discrepancy on the date of birth that was provide. If this is all myth then just provide the documents proving such. That is all. I have no high standard on the matter. The document on web is said to have been photo shopped.

10/27/2008 12:10:23 AM

can you prove it was photoshopped?

since we are all about proving things

10/27/2008 12:11:40 AM

^^ 6th post in this thread: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

10/27/2008 12:12:10 AM

If he was never found guilty then why was he pardoned by Bill Clinton

10/27/2008 12:13:04 AM

^ uhh... where are you getting your info from?

Ayers himself wasn't pardoned, some other members of the Weather Underground were pardoned.

Seriously, do you think Ayers could have been a professor up until 2000, if he had a standing charge on his record? Would he have been out charing million dollar education reform boards? Without knowing anything else about the situation, you should be able to logically deduce that Clinton couldn't possibly have pardoned ayers.

[Edited on October 27, 2008 at 12:15 AM. Reason : ]

10/27/2008 12:13:41 AM

^^

what on earth are you talking about



it is incredible how absurd you people can be

10/27/2008 12:16:20 AM

can anyone prove it was a photoshop? seems like that would settle this whole fiasco right now

10/27/2008 12:16:22 AM

^^^hahaha...

[Edited on October 27, 2008 at 12:17 AM. Reason : .]

10/27/2008 12:16:50 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers



Bill Ayers is a piece of shit.

10/27/2008 12:20:21 AM

that is immaterial in regards to barack obama.

10/27/2008 12:21:00 AM

^^ nothing there says anything about Clinton pardoning Ayers.

And even being a piece of shit, he's done more GOOD for America than you can ever hope to:

Quote :

"Education: An American Problem. Bill Ayers, Radical Education Project, 1968, ASIN B0007H31HU Hot town: Summer in the City: I ain't gonna work on Maggie's farm no more, Bill Ayers, Students for a Democratic Society, 1969, ASIN B0007I3CMI Good Preschool Teachers, William Ayers, Teachers College Press, 1989, ISBN 978-0807729472 The Good Preschool Teacher: Six Teachers Reflect on Their Lives, William Ayers, Teachers College Press, 1989, ISBN 978-0807729465 To Teach: The Journey of a Teacher, William Ayers, Teachers College Press, 1993, ISBN 978-0807732625*To Become a Teacher: Making a Difference in Children's Lives, William Ayers, Teachers College Press, 1995, ISBN 978-0807734551 City Kids, City Teachers: Reports from the Front Row, William Ayers (Editor) and Patricia Ford (Editor), New Press, 1996, ISBN 978-1565843288 A Kind and Just Parent, William Ayers, Beacon Press, 1997, ISBN 978-0807044025 A Light in Dark Times: Maxine Greene and the Unfinished Conversation, Maxine Greene (Editor), William Ayers (Editor), Janet L. Miller (Editor), Teachers College Press, 1998, ISBN 978-0807737217 Teaching for Social Justice: A Democracy and Education Reader, William Ayers (Editor), Jean Ann Hunt (Editor), Therese Quinn (Editor), 1998, ISBN 978-1565844209 Teacher Lore: Learning from Our Own Experience, William H. Schubert (Editor) and William C. Ayers (Editor), Educator's International Press, 1999, ISBN 978-1891928031 Teaching from the Inside Out: The Eight-Fold Path to Creative Teaching and Living, Sue Sommers (Author), William Ayers (Foreword), Authority Press, 2000, ISBN 978-1929059027 A Simple Justice: The Challenge of Small Schools, William Ayers, Teachers College Press, 2000, ISBN 978-0807739631 Zero Tolerance: Resisting the Drive for Punishment, William Ayers (Editor), Rick Ayers (Editor), Bernardine Dohrn (Editor), Jesse L. Jackson (Author), New Press, 2001, ISBN 978-1565846661 A School of Our Own: Parents, Power, and Community at the East Harlem Block Schools, Tom Roderick (Author), William Ayers (Author), Teachers College Press, 2001, ISBN 978-0807741573 Refusing Racism: White Allies and the Struggle for Civil Rights, Cynthia Stokes Brown (Author), William Ayers (Editor), Therese Quinn (Editor), Teachers College Press, 2002, ISBN 978-0807742044 On the Side of the Child: Summerhill Revisited, William Ayers, Teachers College Press, 2003, ISBN 978-0807744000 Fugitive Days: A Memoir, Bill Ayers, Beacon Press, 2001, ISBN 0807071242 (Penguin, 2003, ISBN 978-0142002551) Teaching the Personal and the Political: Essays on Hope and Justice, William Ayers, Teachers College Press, 2004, ISBN 978-0807744611 Teaching Toward Freedom: Moral Commitment and Ethical Action in the Classroom, William Ayers, Beacon Press, 2004, ISBN 978-080703269-5 Sing a Battle Song: The Revolutionary Poetry, Statements, and Communiques of the Weather Underground 1970-1974, Bernardine Dohrn, Bill Ayers, and Jeff Jones, Seven Stories Press, 2006, ISBN 978-1583227268 Handbook of Social Justice in Education, William C. Ayers, Routledge, June 2008, ISBN 978-0805859270 City Kids, City Schools: More Reports from the Front Row, Ruby Dee (Foreword), Jeff Chang (Afterword), William Ayers (Editor), Billings, Gloria Ladson (Editor), Gregory Michie (Editor), Pedro Noguera (Editor), New Press, August 2008, ISBN 978-1595583383"

[Edited on October 27, 2008 at 12:22 AM. Reason : ]

10/27/2008 12:21:47 AM

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i can't believe that's all that we can talk about

bill ayers. terrorist. socialist. bill ayers. jeremiah wright. he supports both teams in the world series.

10/27/2008 12:26:16 AM

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10/27/2008 12:27:43 AM

i dont like ayers cause he is a college professor

10/27/2008 12:27:49 AM

The Bush/McCain link is 1000000000 times more relevant than Obama/Ayers

10/27/2008 12:30:59 AM

^^can you provide something that isn't just background noise I have to skip past?

10/27/2008 12:31:37 AM

^^ the only reason that's true is because McCain ditched the straight talk during the republican primaries. Very sad.

10/27/2008 12:32:36 AM

^^ you forgot another "^" in that post

10/27/2008 12:32:41 AM

^^ and, you know, that whole history of supporting the same policies and voting with him

but i guess i'm just drinking the obama koolaid

10/27/2008 12:37:30 AM

^ mccain was well known to be an outspoken critic of Bush, relatively speaking, until he started to run for president.

It's not really fair to claim that MCCain has always been on bush's jock, considering the rumors he would flip democrat and be Kerry's running mate, nor considering how close he was with Jon Stewart.

McCain at one point was a decent politician, and he still may be, but he hasn't shown that side for at least a year now.

10/27/2008 12:45:27 AM