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11/2/2008 3:47:45 PM

^^^^^wow, you need to look again
^^let's see, my insurance pays for pre-existing conditions...

[Edited on November 2, 2008 at 3:48 PM. Reason : .]

11/2/2008 3:47:45 PM

lolz..the set'em up was to see if somebody would put 3 without checking the # of posts

i win

11/2/2008 3:48:08 PM

lol, as a padder i trust other padders to set it up properly

11/2/2008 3:48:36 PM

it was just an example, sucka. either way. CLAIM DENIED!!

11/2/2008 3:48:49 PM

true.. i've fallen for it as well before

11/2/2008 3:49:00 PM

public healthcare is full of fail

it won't work for the US. endless money pit. hospitals will be overloaded because now everytime someone gets a cold they go to the hospital

11/2/2008 3:49:04 PM

because...

11/2/2008 3:49:32 PM

why stop at socializing the banks??

oh and

Quote :

"Name one country with a successful universal health care system with as high quality as ours right now "

Quote :

"ANYONE THAT WANTS HEALTH CARE CAN ALREADY GET IT THROUGH A PRIVATE COMPANY OR THE GOVERNMENT"

double pwnt. in your own thread.

[Edited on November 2, 2008 at 3:51 PM. Reason : .]

11/2/2008 3:49:46 PM

aaron rodgers throws an ugly ball sometimes

11/2/2008 3:51:17 PM

^^not at all

11/2/2008 3:52:03 PM

actually, double SELF pwnt. to be specific.

11/2/2008 3:53:33 PM

not at all

1.) There isn't a country out there that has an universal health care system that is as good as our current health care system (medically speaking).

2.) Anyone can get health care in this country.

11/2/2008 3:54:59 PM

you have to be joking naive

[Edited on November 2, 2008 at 3:56 PM. Reason : and ignorant (and or trolling)]

11/2/2008 3:55:37 PM

^name a country and a person then

11/2/2008 3:56:12 PM

If you can't get healthcare in this country you're either:
A)Fucking stupid
B)Not trying
or
C)All of the above

11/2/2008 3:56:22 PM

we are already paying enough for other's health care, no need to pay more.

11/2/2008 3:57:04 PM

some people in this country aren't carrying their weight. if you wanna be poor, go to africa. if not, work and make some damn money

11/2/2008 3:58:08 PM

lol GO TO AFRICA

11/2/2008 3:59:51 PM

i shouldn't have gotten into this today... but sure, lemme look up some infant mortality rates or some life expectancy.

11/2/2008 4:00:38 PM

that's what i'm talking about. go chill with the lions. it's a free trip to the zoo 24/7/365 so poor people will at least have that

11/2/2008 4:00:47 PM

i love how sucky bsbc is. i'm waiting on a claim to be denied.

11/2/2008 4:01:40 PM

we're going to OT!

11/2/2008 4:02:25 PM

pffft

yer GOIN TO AFRICA

11/2/2008 4:03:37 PM

pshtt, with all these loans i'm building up i might have to do something

11/2/2008 4:04:09 PM

http://www.who.int/whosis/database/life_tables/life_tables_process.cfm?path=whosis,life_tables&language=english

http://www.who.int/whosis/database/life_tables/life_tables_process.cfm?path=whosis,life_tables&language=english

So i am not sure what you mean by 'name a person' but just as a general rule, healthier people live longer. I don't really care if I convince you, I think you stated it best in your original post.

11/2/2008 4:04:17 PM

11/2/2008 4:04:38 PM

no records for afghanistan

11/2/2008 4:05:05 PM

Quote :

"1.) There isn't a country out there that has an universal health care system that is as good as our current health care system (medically speaking)."

we've already mentioned england

11/2/2008 4:34:11 PM

have you seen their teeth?

11/2/2008 4:37:32 PM

have you? ^

11/2/2008 4:38:20 PM

Quote :

"There isn't a country out there that has an universal health care system that is as good as our current health care system (medically speaking)"

how about the UK, Germany, Japan, Taiwan and Switzerland...watch the Frontline about it if you don't believe me (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/)

11/2/2008 4:46:00 PM

11/2/2008 4:47:44 PM

The Frontline Special is actually a really good documentary on the pros and cons of different healthcare systems around the world. It does a fairly decent job of evaluating what other countries did right, and wrong, and whether or not it would work here.

I did think it was funny that in one of the countries (I believe Japan? I haven't watched it in almost a year) it mentioned that people started going to the doctor because they were lonely, and they had to be told to stay home.

11/2/2008 4:51:18 PM

Best healthcare in the world

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei
41 New Zealand
42 Bahrain
43 Croatia
44 Qatar
45 Kuwait
46 Barbados
47 Thailand
48 Czech Republic
49 Malaysia
50 Poland
51 Dominican Republic
52 Tunisia
53 Jamaica
54 Venezuela
55 Albania
56 Seychelles
57 Paraguay
58 South Korea
59 Senegal
60 Philippines
61 Mexico
62 Slovakia
63 Egypt
64 Kazakhstan
65 Uruguay
66 Hungary
67 Trinidad and Tobago
68 Saint Lucia
69 Belize
70 Turkey
71 Nicaragua
72 Belarus
73 Lithuania
74 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
75 Argentina
76 Sri Lanka
77 Estonia
78 Guatemala
79 Ukraine
80 Solomon Islands
81 Algeria
82 Palau
83 Jordan
84 Mauritius
85 Grenada
86 Antigua and Barbuda
87 Libya
88 Bangladesh
89 Macedonia
90 Bosnia-Herzegovina
91 Lebanon
92 Indonesia
93 Iran
94 Bahamas
95 Panama
96 Fiji
97 Benin
98 Nauru
99 Romania
100 Saint Kitts and Nevis
101 Moldova
102 Bulgaria
103 Iraq
104 Armenia
105 Latvia
106 Yugoslavia
107 Cook Islands
108 Syria
109 Azerbaijan
110 Suriname
111 Ecuador
112 India
113 Cape Verde
114 Georgia
115 El Salvador
116 Tonga
117 Uzbekistan
118 Comoros
119 Samoa
120 Yemen
121 Niue
122 Pakistan
123 Micronesia
124 Bhutan
125 Brazil
126 Bolivia
127 Vanuatu
128 Guyana
129 Peru
130 Russia
131 Honduras
132 Burkina Faso
133 Sao Tome and Principe
134 Sudan
135 Ghana
136 Tuvalu
137 Ivory Coast
138 Haiti
139 Gabon
140 Kenya
141 Marshall Islands
142 Kiribati
143 Burundi
144 China
145 Mongolia
146 Gambia
147 Maldives
148 Papua New Guinea
149 Uganda
150 Nepal
151 Kyrgystan
152 Togo
153 Turkmenistan
154 Tajikistan
155 Zimbabwe
156 Tanzania
157 Djibouti
158 Eritrea
159 Madagascar
160 Vietnam
161 Guinea
162 Mauritania
163 Mali
164 Cameroon
165 Laos
166 Congo
167 North Korea
168 Namibia
169 Botswana
170 Niger
171 Equatorial Guinea
172 Rwanda
173 Afghanistan
174 Cambodia
175 South Africa
176 Guinea-Bissau
177 Swaziland
178 Chad
179 Somalia
180 Ethiopia
181 Angola
182 Zambia
183 Lesotho
184 Mozambique
185 Malawi
186 Liberia
187 Nigeria
188 Democratic Republic of the Congo
189 Central African Republic
190 Myanmar

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

11/2/2008 4:52:23 PM

^^it is very good (just like all of the stuff Frontline does, it's the best investigative journalism out there) and it was shocking that an MRI costs $98 in Japan but will run you $1200 in the US...what a great healthcare system we have

11/2/2008 4:56:16 PM

Yeah, the prices were pretty shocking to hear. I also thought their perspectives from doctors, insurance companies, patients and governments were all fantastic. It's impossible to evaluate a health care system without taking all of them into account.

I would absolutely recommend anyone who hasn't watched it to take the time to do it. It's split up into short segments for every country, and it's definitely worth the small amount of time it takes.

11/2/2008 5:00:04 PM

where did wdprice go?

11/2/2008 5:50:27 PM

your mom's house, faggot

11/2/2008 5:52:09 PM

just hoping to see your retort. you made some excellent points.

11/2/2008 5:53:15 PM

yeah, i would argue some of those countries ahead of us in the rankings just based on the fact that there would be orders of magnitude more people to treat in the us than there is to treat in, oh i dont know, malta or luxembourg

11/2/2008 5:54:23 PM

to my knowledge my family has never been denied by bcbs, including a 100% payment of brain surgery for my brother that doctors were sure we would have to pay for ourselves.

[Edited on November 2, 2008 at 5:58 PM. Reason : .]

11/2/2008 5:57:20 PM

^^but then there's also a much smaller tax base

[Edited on November 2, 2008 at 5:59 PM. Reason : .]

11/2/2008 5:57:30 PM

Quote :

"people started going to the doctor because they were lonely, and they had to be told to stay home."

welcome to EMS

11/2/2008 6:08:30 PM

vote for Obama, and you wouldn't have that problem. sucka.

11/2/2008 6:10:26 PM

if insurance won't pay for brain srugery then wtf good is it

11/2/2008 6:10:28 PM

Quote :

"hillbilly chucklefuck"

I loled.

11/2/2008 6:13:42 PM

that's a good point, i'm just saying what doctors said based on experience. we were hoping to have it half paid for, but they paid for all of it.

i don't know if i'd really call it 'optional', but it had to do w/ his balance or something. was not life threatening.

11/2/2008 6:15:39 PM

just pay for it.

IT WAS JUST SOME DAMN ALLERGY TESTING.

11/2/2008 6:24:18 PM

set this shit up for page 4

11/2/2008 6:38:41 PM