11/9/2008 10:10:19 PM

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"Your comment about Gates there is a bit shocking, what exactly are you trying to say?"

I'm simply saying that the work of a scientist is more lasting and honest than that of a politician. His place in academia is not given him because of some special favor or affirmative action. Never have I heard Gates even mention his race, his focus is not on who he is socio-economic-wise, rather as far as I've observed the man, he speaks about science and why he does science.

Obama in contrast says he's not about race but then injects race into the discussion when it suites his purposes, both with the Clintons and then more recently with McCain. Despite the fact that McCain even refused to campaign on the Rev. Wright issue. Obama has built his political foundation on a church which has a vested interest in emphasizing divides between the races.

Gates message of omission is more powerful in my view. Obama to my taste is like the preacher who tells you how humble he is. You can't make history that transcends race when black pride and white guilt are essential ingredients to your history. I do agree that the election is historic, but in my view what is historic is that we have developed such a sense of political correctness that the story is not about the fact that we have just elected a very far-left senator, but rather that we have elected a black man.

I've complemented Obama before, I don't dispute he has an incredible and magnetic personality. I just see in him many of the same problems we saw with Clinton. Shifting positions, lack of accountability, fake tax cuts (we'll see)...

11/10/2008 8:25:47 PM

I find it odd that the Jewish people who have been persecuted since biblical times aren't going around playing the Jew card. Why is that? Is it because being Jewish is a religious choice?

11/10/2008 9:43:50 PM

whoa dude, you just dropped a hard J

11/10/2008 9:49:24 PM

I just figured "Race Card" wouldn't work...maybe I should say "Religious Card"?

11/10/2008 9:50:31 PM

haha, it's from It's Always Sunny

11/10/2008 9:52:16 PM

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"I find it odd that the Jewish people who have been persecuted since biblical times aren't going around playing the Jew card."

For the record, that's entirely incorrect.

11/10/2008 10:15:52 PM

well its harder to know if someone is jewish that it is to know if their black.

but Jews pull the Jew card all the time.

11/10/2008 10:23:07 PM

For whatever reason, Jews still face untold bits of hate here on the internet.

11/10/2008 10:26:40 PM

I think we are not free of the complaints especially when you can drive around NC and see a bumper sticker that says...Obama 08/Biden 09

11/10/2008 10:38:21 PM

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"Celita Hart, 19, stood silently in court today when she appeared for a bond hearing. Prosecutors said Hart, who is black, yelled " 'White [expletive], [expletive] McCain--you white police can't do nothing anymore.'" With that, she reached through the window of a squad car and slapped a white male officer in the face, according to Assistant State's Atty. Lorraine Scaduto. "

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2008/11/some-mayhem-arrests-after-obama-rally.html

It's old but I haven't seen it posted anywhere, apologies if it has been. Nothing important here, I just thought it was funny. I would have loved to see the cop's reaction.

11/11/2008 6:26:30 PM

and this (^) is the shit that is going to exacerbate the problem

11/11/2008 6:33:23 PM

said it once and I"ll say it again

a black man being president won't advance the black race, personal accountability will.

obviously that is something that Celita Hart is about to learn the hard way.

as far as modern day black people being oppressed by the white man in the US, that is some bullshit. In the past, sure, it happened. No argument there, can't deny it; but as far as modern day times, I call bullshit. The only time I've seen equal opportunity NOT work is when people can't let go of the past and blame all their problems on someone else instead of *gasp* taking responsibility for their own actions and doing something about it.

I'm not trying to bash on the historical significance of Obama getting elected, it is big, but tell me, what action did more for black people - civil right marches (MLK, etc) or Obama getting elected?

11/12/2008 6:13:49 AM

You are an idiot

11/12/2008 8:55:50 AM

^^

Civil rights marches gave blacks opportunity through the passage of legislation.

it could be argued that a majority have not taken full advantage of that opportunity.

Obama's policies will be much more important than his skin color as far as offering more opportunity. At the end of the day I agree that Obama might "lead the horse to water" but it will be up to individuals to take advantage and the last 45 years since MLK have proven that only a small minority will choose to take advantage and rise above. Just because he is black doesn't mean he is going to only pass laws regarding black people - he wouldn't last long doing that. Whites elected him and are not going to tolerate a leader who only looks out for his own kind.

11/12/2008 10:50:45 AM

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"it could be argued that a majority have not taken full advantage of that opportunity."

could be argued?

Seriously?

could be argued?

No, it can't. It's simple fact. They don't vote. They don't finish school. They have kids out of wedlock like it's going out of style. A huge percentage of black men are in prison or on parole. They commit violent and non-violent crime way out of proportion with their population. Those who do well and get good jobs often are still drains on the system because they don' save. Bling is their kryptonite, with black families at all income levels, on average, spending 30% more of their income on cars, clothes, jewelry and personal care than other races.

So yeah, it could be argued. No black president will be able to change any of that.

I am not a racist, nor am I prejudiced (pre-judging people before I meet them). But I can make generalizations based on objective data. And these things are simply true.

[Edited on November 12, 2008 at 12:58 PM. Reason : S]

11/12/2008 12:57:57 PM

^ If there are any judges behind the bench that are ANYTHING like you, there's no wonder so many blacks are in jail.

11/12/2008 1:02:39 PM

Actually, no, I'm the most defendant-biased person you'll ever find. And if drugs were all decriminalized like I want, much of the black community would be more intact. And possibly all of those things I listed would be less true.

11/12/2008 1:04:37 PM

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"Those who do well and get good jobs often are still drains on the system because they don' save."

i think this is where you crossed the line and can no longer be seen as being objective.

11/12/2008 1:15:51 PM

Why? It's true. Blacks with good jobs and incomes still save very little, have fewer solid assets, and are more likely to need a lot of help from Medicare in their old age. Bankruptcy rates are higher as well. Those two are, by definition, "drains on the system."

[Edited on November 12, 2008 at 1:19 PM. Reason : a]

11/12/2008 1:18:49 PM

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"it could be argued that a majority have not taken full advantage of that opportunity"

The data certainly suggests that the majority of black Americans have taken advantage of the decreases in racism. There are huge declines in black poverty. Major increases in high school completion and strong gains in household income.

However, on average blacks have not reached the level of whites. The most likely explanation being inter-generational inertia. Though, there are many competing theories.

However, its hard to say the majority of blacks did not take advantage when you see stats like this.





[Edited on November 12, 2008 at 1:35 PM. Reason : too big]

[Edited on November 12, 2008 at 1:59 PM. Reason : .]

11/12/2008 1:32:32 PM

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"Actually, no, I'm the most defendant-biased person you'll ever find. And if drugs were all decriminalized like I want, much of the black community would be more intact. And possibly all of those things I listed would be less true."

If all drugs were decriminalized, we would see a great jump in addiction (in all races) due to accessibility. However, if tax money were collected from these drugs, we could see better rehab centers. Some people would continually get addicted, but some would rise above and eventually move on.

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"Celita Hart, 19, stood silently in court today when she appeared for a bond hearing. Prosecutors said Hart, who is black, yelled " 'White [expletive], [expletive] McCain--you white police can't do nothing anymore.'" With that, she reached through the window of a squad car and slapped a white male officer in the face, according to Assistant State's Atty. Lorraine Scaduto."

This mentality is only setting the black community behind.

Dammit, if I had the money, I would dole out the 40 acres and a mule as well as enacting a "5/3 compromise" to nearly double the black vote in the next election.

11/12/2008 1:53:20 PM