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"Let's see what holy book this guy swears in on."

I heard it would be this:

11/5/2008 7:23:39 AM

republicans lose with class, i dont see McCain supporters rioting in the streets, i mean the thought of that was not even mentioned by the media while the opposite was.

11/5/2008 7:38:36 AM

Here is a quick example of "classy" Republican loss. . .
message_topic.aspx?topic=547182

Look, I am not saying they aren't capable of class but I would caution anyone from trying to claim Republicans have some kind of monopoly on losing graciously.

11/5/2008 7:43:23 AM

oh please, the bitching on facebook is not what im talking about. if the Dems had lost there would be rioting and endless claims of racism, voter fraud etc. the Republicans have valid claims of voter fraud with the acorn bullshit but they have graciously conceded and let it go. And dont for a minute pretend riots would not have broken out if Obama had not won

11/5/2008 7:51:50 AM

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"My first main thought was to note how gracefully republicans lose...democrats should really learn a lesson from that... OMGVOTERFRAUDDIEBOLD!!!!"

Hey....memo to you: That was when elections were close. Last night was a fucking landslide that we haven't seen in a while....what's there to bitch about or quibble over?

11/5/2008 8:02:37 AM

Voter fraud isn't going to make up for the >7 million vote difference for obama.



[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 8:08 AM. Reason : lol]

11/5/2008 8:08:22 AM

Kainen,

Really? "Like we've never seen"?
According to ABC, Obama won the popular vote 52% to McCain's 47%.
In 2004, Bush won by 50.7% to Kerry's 48%.

Obama won the popular vote by a comfortable margin (thanks to a financial crisis), but it was hardly strikingly large. Especially when you compare it to 1980, the race that this election was most often compared to, when Ronald Reagan beat incumbent President Jimmy Carter 50.7% to 41%. If a 5 point victory is a landslide, a 10 point victory must A LANDSLIDE TIMES TWO!!!!

If this is a landslide, then we might as well just redefine the term to mean "anything close to a majority of votes". Of course, I doubt stats or facts will matter in the coming spin. They didn't matter to George Bush in 2000 when he claimed he had a mandate from the people. HEY! Another way that Obama is like W.

PS*
Electoral College vote landslide is maybe a better argument (though it actually still isn't close to Reagan's 1980 margin of victory), but is that really the metric dems want to use after pissing and moaning post 2000? Either the electoral college is a useless construct from the 18th century or it isn't. I was really hoping Obama would lead the way in ridding us of the college. But if this is his only claim to a "landslide victory" I doubt he will.

[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 8:24 AM. Reason : ``]

11/5/2008 8:20:08 AM

^^ It dosent have to make up 7 Million votes........all that would matter would be the swing states....a few hundred thousand would make the difference.

I hope that he actually is bipartisan as he says and not as his record indicates.

[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 8:21 AM. Reason : .]

11/5/2008 8:21:09 AM

socks, the election is over you don't have to keep taking issues and picking fights with every little thing. arguing over who is 'more gracious' is pretty childish as is.

And besides, I was referring to Gore/Bush dammit. He was saying 'OMGDIEBOLD'. elec

[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 8:25 AM. Reason : this election was still a landslide. 340-350+ electoral]

11/5/2008 8:25:12 AM

^ I'm just taking active steps to keep the gloating of Obama supporters in check.

That includes wild claims to "landslide victories" and "popular mandates". Like I said, if this is a landslide, the term is essentially meaningless. Unless Dems suddenly fall in love with the electoral college, which I'm sure they will (sadly).

[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 8:29 AM. Reason : ``]

11/5/2008 8:28:25 AM

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"I'm nervous. I hope that he governs more responsibly than he campaigns--shifting one position to another. It also makes me laugh that a lot of TWWers just now suddenly realize what a great country America is. "

11/5/2008 8:29:42 AM

you can argue with yourself over that, that's fine. Yes I know the electoral college is a mess, but it is what it is and those are the bounds of play.

And yes, for the way we elect our presidents, this was a categorical landslide. Popular vote margin I know is about 5.8% but that's a huge spread if you run it across states, particularly ones that are up for grabs.

11/5/2008 8:30:19 AM

11/5/2008 8:32:06 AM

Well, he is right it wasn't a landslide. 52-47 isn't a nail biter, but it isn't "landslide" either.

Damn, the picture up on CNN frontpage makes Obama look evil lol.

11/5/2008 8:32:56 AM

foreshadowing

11/5/2008 8:35:08 AM

Kainen, I'm not going to argue with you about it. If you really think a 5 point lead is a landslide that's your business. It's clear you don't care how this compares to any race other than Bush-Gore, and I can't make you care. I'll just remind you that if a 5 point win is a "landslide", then certainly Bush's 2.5 point win in 2004 was at least "popular mandate".

I already know how the Dems will spin it. And anyone that disagrees is a "sore loser"

11/5/2008 8:37:00 AM

I don't understand why people are celebrating like they won the fucking lottery. Wow the USA is headed toward essentially a liberal agenda that has worked so well in Europe

Things are not going to be that different save from higher taxes on the wealthy and potentially a national health care system.

College is still going to be expensive as fuck because the liberals already control the education system and are the ones that have allowed it to spiral into a profiteering business. The environmental movement is going to be successful because market dynamics (i.e. high energy prices) drive people to change.

Obama is not a God and the Congress is still going to be run by two complete asshole idiots in Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. They will most likely push legislation that will further divide the parties and prevent anything from actually happening (i.e. what happened the past 8 years).




[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 8:42 AM. Reason : g]

11/5/2008 8:41:21 AM

This is a pretty ridiculous semantics argument, but I'll continue to bite.

If you can easily double your opponents electoral votes while banking a 7 million voter gap (which is growing as early votes lag in georgia continue to trickle in), which by the way is double the margin that Bush beat Kerry by....it's a big win, a landslide to many, albeit a modest one.

You cant push those goal posts back any further. History will remember this election as Obama exceeding expectations in a surprising manner. Spin how you will, if you want to change the term to "landshift" or something, go for it. I will concede it's the 'lightest' form of landslide there is. It's no Nixon, Roosevelt or Reagan...

11/5/2008 8:44:49 AM

11/5/2008 8:45:01 AM

Kay Hagen is on the Today Show and seriously just said "I have a son that went to Duke and a daughter at Carolina....so I know how to cross party lines"

Seriously, did I make a mistake voting for this broad?

11/5/2008 8:45:29 AM

^^^^ I'm not saying you are socks, but this guy IS a sore loser. Let's just turn in our America card and sit around in apathy as OBAMA AND THOSE LIBERALS RUIN THE COUNTRY.

Give me a fucking break.

[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 8:51 AM. Reason : -]

11/5/2008 8:46:20 AM

um, ok

11/5/2008 8:47:30 AM

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"Seriously, did I make a mistake voting for this broad?"

Yea, I hate Dole with a passion. But Hagan is a tool in a entirely different way.

11/5/2008 8:50:06 AM

11/5/2008 9:00:20 AM

I'm pleased. Not that I think McCain would've been another Bush (people ought to know better at this point). The biggest (by far) factor for me was the war. I fucking hate it, have hated it for 6 years. It's exhausted me to no end. btw, McCain's concession speech was beautiful. I hope to God the dumbass general public truly can rally behind something without prescribing blindly to one side.

11/5/2008 9:02:12 AM

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"btw, McCain's concession speech was beautiful."

Agreed. It was really classy the way he kept quieting all the boos as well.

11/5/2008 9:04:00 AM

Yeah I like the guy, I just hate the way his campaign was run and he didn't have control over it. I also thought Palin was a fatal mistake for him.

But you're right, his speech was fantastic....really. It was amazing how much more appealing of a guy he is when he's relaxed (as in not manicuring a stance) and just being himself. If he could have only ran his campaign like that.

11/5/2008 9:06:04 AM

I don't just mean his delivery. I thought the things he said were absolutely awesome, and, if genuine, twice as awesome. I think John McCain is a great man. . .I just can't get behind this war.

11/5/2008 9:08:48 AM

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and I hope carolina goes blue too. Still undecided

11/5/2008 9:12:17 AM

^ wow. just checked out your profile and you're a GUY!?!?! after a post like that I was surprised.

How about you cut down the emotion Cindy, before your makeup starts run.

[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 9:33 AM. Reason : ``]

11/5/2008 9:25:44 AM

Are people really arguing how huge a win this was for Obama?

Let's see, he won Florida and Ohio by decisive margins. Two states that were practically thieved the last two elections and cost the democrats the white house.

He won 3 deep red states in Indiana, North Carolina, and Virginia that haven't gone blue in decades. That's called a redrawing of the electoral map and will have ramifications for many elections to come.

He managed to run up the score in 4 states than Bush won in 2004. New Mexico, Colorado, Iowa, and Nevada weren't even close this time around. He also ran up the score in every state that Kerry won and doubled Bush's popular vote win percentage. That is a massive achievement and means that even without the AA vote, without a massive turnout, even without his massive financial advantage, he most likely still would have won.

This was an overwhelming victory.

[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 9:31 AM. Reason : :]

11/5/2008 9:30:18 AM

if i hear of another grown man crying i'm gonna puke again.

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"That is a massive achievement and means that even without the AA vote, without a massive turnout, even without his massive financial advantage, he most likely still would have won."

gonna have to call you out on this one. i seriously doubt if he wasn't black (or minority) he'd have won. that and including if he'd have kept his promise about only taking DNC money instead of getting greedy and getting hundreds of millions more and able to get 30m fucking infomercials.

[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 9:33 AM. Reason : ]

11/5/2008 9:30:26 AM

so he has officially won NC now?

11/5/2008 9:31:56 AM

as for first reaction...the first thing I saw this morning when I turned on CBS was an interview of Jesse Jackson...

the same dude that wanted to cut BO's nuts off...he was gushing over BO

SUPER CARLFACE

[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 9:34 AM. Reason : .]

11/5/2008 9:34:01 AM

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"That's called a redrawing of the electoral map and will have ramifications for many elections to come. "

I wouldn't go that far (yet at least). I do know a lot of people that voted Obama that would normally vote republican or have a republican lean..HOWEVER I would also say like 75% of them (them being the friends/acquaintances I know personally like this) at least did so more because of the poor choices on the Republican side rather than being moved by Democrat policies. IE they would easily vote Republican next election with a different candidate and a better run campaign and I dont see them being any more likely to vote blue next time.

11/5/2008 9:36:10 AM

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"This was an overwhelming victory."

hehehe Shrike said that? really? nooooooo

I love (hate?) how emotional this campaign has made everyone. "RAWR MCCAIN IS RUNNING THE MOST NEGATIVE CAMPAGIN IN HUMAN HISTORY!!" "YAY! OBAMA HAS WON BY AN OVERWHELMING LANDSLIDE!!!!" "THIS ELECTION IS THE MOST MEANINGFUL THING EVER!!! (Quote from Oprah)"

I can't wait until the emotion wears off. Maybe in a month, people will get some perspective.

11/5/2008 9:37:51 AM

Seriously, though. If you people want to ever use the term "Reagan Revolution" again, then you'll have to acknowledge that this election was also very significant.

11/5/2008 9:41:26 AM

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"gonna have to call you out on this one. i seriously doubt if he wasn't black (or minority) he'd have won. that and including if he'd have kept his promise about only taking DNC money instead of getting greedy and getting hundreds of millions more and able to get 30m fucking infomercials."

I mean, it certainly wouldn't have been as decisive as it turned out to be and we'd probably still be counting votes this morning. However, I think the ease in which he won the battleground states out west, Iowa, and all the Kerry states shows how this was never really a contest to begin with.

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"I can't wait until the emotion wears off. Maybe in a month, people will get some perspective. "

If you don't understand why people would be emotional when our president elect is a guy who would have had to shit in a bathroom labeled "Colored" barely 40 years ago, I don't know what to tell you.

[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 9:46 AM. Reason : :]

11/5/2008 9:43:30 AM

I'm glad he got elected, if only for the sheer comedic value of people's reactions....supporters and non.

[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 9:48 AM. Reason : .]

11/5/2008 9:48:26 AM

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"If you don't understand why people would be emotional when our president elect is a guy who would have had to shit in a bathroom labeled "Colored" barely 40 years ago, I don't know what to tell you."

you mean multi-colored

heheheh

11/5/2008 9:50:39 AM

socks, you're reminding me of a little kid at a birthday party at McDonalds, you know, running around with a pin popping all the yellow and red balloons around, upsetting all the other kids who are celebrating because you're not.

Then going around telling all the other kids there - 'well look, someone has to keep you all in check".
Thanks, if we need a great equalizer here we'd call for one.

I know from your own words that you're jealous of the Obama's supporters enthusiasm, but with him now America's President for the next 4 years, can you do us all a favor and concentrate on things OTHER than meddling with Obama's supporters happy and excited mood around here? You're a smart cat with great detail and a lot of substantive posts when you try...why not stick to that?

[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 9:54 AM. Reason : -]

11/5/2008 9:53:07 AM

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"so he has officially won NC now?"

No, he currently leads 2,101,986 to 2,089,826. About 40,000 absentee ballots still have to be counted, and they don't expect an official count until around Nov. 10th.

[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 10:03 AM. Reason : a]

11/5/2008 10:02:53 AM

Shrike,

Great. Now if you're not in tears because Obama was elected, you just don't understand the black man's struggle the same way white people that voted for Obama do.

Am I gonna have to put up with BS like this from you when I oppose his flawed health care plan next year (he'll be the first black man to propose such an ill-conceived policy! progress!)??? Should I grit my teeth and celebrate every thing the man does because of the color of his skin????

PS* Nothing seems more apt at this moment:
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/19/8-barack-obama/

[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 10:56 AM. Reason : ``]

11/5/2008 10:52:00 AM

To his credit, as least Socks Dot Dot is showing his face today.

But he's still acting like a child.

11/5/2008 11:32:25 AM

When did I say you could never criticize him? Criticize the hell out of him, I don't care. I can absolutely see how his ideas seem totally whack to people like yourself.

However, what you're trying to do is diminish the historical relevance of what happened last night. Given the history of this country, the emotion and enthusiasm people are showing towards Obama's victory is 100% warranted. Why you're trying to suggest otherwise, I have no idea.

For god sakes, look at the world's reaction. Almost all the damage the last 8 years has done to America's standing across the globe was wiped out in one night. Our President is once again not just our leader, but a World Leader. The United States will be able to reestablish itself as the real driving force for progress on the international stage.

11/5/2008 11:42:06 AM

maybe because he's just as White has he is Black ?

11/5/2008 11:48:40 AM

I am not overly excited about Obama; but I decided in August that Obama represented a smaller "potential loss" than McCain given the worst case scenario for either candidate.

11/5/2008 12:26:41 PM

Nader should've won

11/5/2008 12:37:55 PM

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"Almost all the damage the last 8 years has done to America's standing across the globe was wiped out in one night."

WAT

11/5/2008 12:44:45 PM

Shrike

Quote :

"For god sakes, look at the world's reaction. Almost all the damage the last 8 years has done to America's standing across the globe was wiped out in one night. Our President is once again not just our leader, but a World Leader. The United States will be able to reestablish itself as the real driving force for progress on the international stage."

Statements like this are why I can't wait for the new to wear off and the emotion to fade.

Obama has done absolutley nothing at this point--he just got elected LAST NIGHT. But somehow he's already a World Leader in a way that Bush wasn't??? How??? Because he does well in international opinion polls? That makes him popular, but it certainly doesn't make him a leader and MOST CERTAINLY doesn't wipe away the damage that the Bush admin has done (N Korea, Iraq, Iran, Climate Change, etc).

Maybe Obama will become a world leader, maybe he will lead the way on fighting climate change and nuclear proliferation in ways Bush didn't, only time will tell. But right now he has not done anything. JACK SQUAT. And the fact that you can just rattle this stuff off with a straight face leaves me totally at a loss for words.

[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 1:13 PM. Reason : ``]

11/5/2008 1:11:02 PM