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11/6/2008 10:16:53 PM

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"Seriously, what's conservative about the No Child Left Behind act? Or campaign finance reform? I forget some of the other legislation that was equally as bad."

Nothing - so why do you unconditionally support those clowns to begin with? It doesn't matter how much Bush-league Republicans appease and stray from a philosophy of limited government (and how they have strayed) - they can count on your vote regardless.

So what incentive do they have to do anything different?

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"The Dems have had this kind of control before only to screw things up (Carter comes to mind, ugh what painful economic times, not to mention embarrassing on an international scale). Out of chaos comes order, it's the left's turn, again, to be chaotic, and we'll be here to clean up the mess."

For all of his ineptitude, Carter gave us Paul Volker - who had the balls to fight stagflation. Richard Nixon gave us price and wage controls.

Hm - a paranoid president who believes in pre-emptive war (i.e., Cambodia), an unchecked executive, with a corrupt as hell VP, and who espouses nothing even close to an economic conservative philosophy. I feel as if I've seen this somewhere before...

11/6/2008 10:19:39 PM

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"The left hasn't had a new idea in decades, and it took a capitulator who allowed your idealogues to have a seat at the table that won your majorities and the presidency."

I see you haven't completely reconciled your ideology with reality, yet.

So because the GOP has become overly liberal, voters overwhelmingly rejected the GOP in favor of a liberal.

And as proof, you give evidence that Republicans had a 1.3% lower turnout this year. If only Obama's margin of victory was within 1.3%, you might have a point.

11/6/2008 10:27:32 PM

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"Nothing - so why do you unconditionally support those clowns to begin with? It doesn't matter how much Bush-league Republicans appease and stray from a philosophy of limited government (and how they have strayed) - they can count on your vote regardless."

I do not unconditionally support anybody. In fact I think this loss is the best thing that could happen to the Republican Party. Sometimes you have to have your ass kicked in such a way that you have to stand back and refocus. In a lot of ways, this could be exactly what the GOP needs and it can return to a party that I can be proud of. Listening to the likes of boone would forever keep the Republicans in the minority, which is exactly what he wants.

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"Hm - a paranoid president who believes in pre-emptive war (i.e., Cambodia), an unchecked executive, with a corrupt as hell VP, and who espouses nothing even close to an economic conservative philosophy. I feel as if I've seen this somewhere before..."

Nixon sucked, bigtime. Wage and price freezes, the expansion of federal power by creating the Evironmental Protection Agency (yes, Nixon did this), etc. Hell if Nixon had a D by his name instead of an R the left would have looooooooooved Nixon's government control. He was a Keynesian through and through when it came to government involvement in the economy. I won't even touch on his paranoia.

11/6/2008 10:29:27 PM

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"I see you haven't completely reconciled your ideology with reality, yet. So because the GOP has become overly liberal, voters overwhelmingly rejected the GOP in favor of a liberal."

Just one of several contributing factors.

11/6/2008 10:34:38 PM

Oh, yeah. Totally.

Care to explain the rationale behind that?

11/6/2008 10:40:00 PM

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"I do not unconditionally support anybody. In fact I think this loss is the best thing that could happen to the Republican Party. Sometimes you have to have your ass kicked in such a way that you have to stand back and refocus. In a lot of ways, this could be exactly what the GOP needs and it can return to a party that I can be proud of."

Well fantastic. The GOP could use a little time in the wilderness to discover itself.

But that being said - who did you end up voting for in 2008? And 2004? I'm not thinking it's going to take a wild leap to guess this one.

11/6/2008 10:42:13 PM

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"Underestimating the right is exactly what put the left and the dems in the minority to begin with. "

Thinking the religious right is what represents conservatism is what doomed the right.

I can practically guarantee we'll see a pruning of republicans like yourself over the next 4 years from the Republican party.

11/6/2008 10:59:32 PM

I think we can all agree (welll most of us) that Democrats AND Republicans have put us where we are now.

And where we are now is shitty. Here's to giving the new guy a shot.

11/6/2008 11:28:17 PM

Indeed.

Take these broken wings and learn to fly...

11/7/2008 1:05:31 AM

God willing (no irony intended), the Republican will have the sense to distance itself from religious elements and establish itself as being more pragmatic. That's one thing I hope Obama can accomplish, is creating a sense in this country that science and reason are good things and that religious fundamentalism isn't really a plus when running for office.

11/7/2008 3:14:25 AM

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"And as proof, you give evidence that Republicans had a 1.3% lower turnout this year. If only Obama's margin of victory was within 1.3%, you might have a point."

this doesn't even really matter that much. While it may have lessened the gap in popular vote it would not have necessarily changed the electoral map at all if, say, that 1.3% were based collectively in texas, georgia, and south carolina. given the fact that this 1.3% increase would have been 600k votes more the best case is that it could have swung OH, VA and FL, which would have still put mccain behind electorally.

11/7/2008 9:45:33 AM

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"God willing (no irony intended), the Republican will have the sense to distance itself from religious elements and establish itself as being more pragmatic. That's one thing I hope Obama can accomplish, is creating a sense in this country that science and reason are good things and that religious fundamentalism isn't really a plus when running for office."

i swear...if this happened I would change my voter registration to republican. this is the number one reason why I don't like the republican party. there are so many things that I do like about the party in a classical sense, states rights, smaller federal government, fiscal conservative. but until they can rid themselves of the right wing religious nut jobs wanted to create legislation based on the Bible they will not get my support. they really need a kick in the ass. Hello this is 2008!!

11/7/2008 10:16:25 AM

^ Huh? You're saying that Obama making science not-a-bad-thing anymore will make you change your reg to republican?

11/7/2008 10:18:23 AM

lol, looks like the GOP plan is to double down on the crazy

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/07/conservatives-cite-defeats-as-reason-to-move-right/

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"The group of about 20 prominent conservative who met at Mr. Bozell’s retreat in the Virginia countryside said the election was a signal that conservatives had become too accommodating of moderate Republican views."

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"And even after a bruising campaign, some said they regarded the Republican vice presidential candidate, Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, as a rising conservative star. “I can tell you that the candidacy of Sarah Palin was immensely helpful — actually essential — to making this a reasonably close race,” said Morton C. Blackwell, a conservative activist. Had Mr. McCain not selected her to be his running mate, Mr. Blackwell said, “I think the Republican ticket would have fared like Senator Dole’s did back in 1996.”"

HAHAHAHAHAHA

11/7/2008 1:14:38 PM

Yeah, that's kind of what I thought might happen. I don't see the Republican party being able to purge the "religious" element; that's what some Republican party leaders care about most. How can you convince religious nutjobs that their "social issues" aren't welcome anymore?

11/7/2008 1:34:08 PM

Friedman or Krugman (can't remember which) predicted that it'll double the crazy,too.

11/7/2008 1:38:36 PM

If the republicans cut themselves off from the Religious (I won't say "Right" because most are only right because the repubs pander to them) then they will vote for someone else.


That might be the opportunity for the Democrats to win a large part of the religious vote with a "What Would Jesus Do?" kind of message.

11/7/2008 1:43:32 PM

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"^ Huh? You're saying that Obama making science not-a-bad-thing anymore will make you change your reg to republican?"

no...i'm saying that if republican's dropped the religious nut jobs and stopped creating legislation based on the bible that i would change my registration to republican.

11/7/2008 1:47:18 PM

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"If the republicans cut themselves off from the Religious (I won't say "Right" because most are only right because the repubs pander to them) then they will vote for someone else. That might be the opportunity for the Democrats to win a large part of the religious vote with a "What Would Jesus Do?" kind of message."

Wouldn't it be strange if this came to pass? The democrats would then harbor the religious nutjobs.

I can almost see this happening too, the democrats have a taste of populism, and crave more, while the republicans taste defeat, and try to hone the party to actual conservative principles.

11/7/2008 3:13:37 PM

yeah, but the religious right is part of the GOP not so much because they have anything in common with Rockefeller Republicans or Goldwater Republicans as because they are utterly incompatible with the social liberalism of the Democratic Party.

I mean, you guys are more than welcome to take the religious right off our hands, as far as I'm concerned, but it will mean losing a shit ton of people in your own party (although it would be more ideologically consistent, then...you'd just be pure statists).

11/7/2008 3:23:52 PM

The social conservatives and the populist democrats would be two peas in a pod. They should congeal under one of the parties, so that I can vote for the other party without any reservations.

11/7/2008 3:36:01 PM

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"id be on that like stink on shit, lets hope we can survive 2 years of a socialist paradise"

nope, we didn't get the senate.

11/7/2008 4:17:58 PM

^^ Yep.

Bible-thumping, anti-intellectual social conservatives, union slobs, protectionist xenophones, and sticky-fingered populists quarantined together?

Dirty hippies, artfags, militant feminists and environmentalists, gun-grabbers, and all other varieties of transsexual circus freak special interests kicked out on the street politically?


What's not to like?

11/7/2008 5:20:01 PM

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"Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council told CNN that conservatives need to take back control of the GOP if the party is to return to its winning ways."

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""There was clearly no mandate to shift the country to the left on social issues," Perkins said. "What Tuesday was, was a fact that people wanted change, and it's a rejection of a moderate view.""

Is this guy fucking delusional. With the McPalin ticket and the opposition being a black man the conservative base was worked up more than ever. They fucking LOST the race by being too appealing for conservatives.

Obviously the american people were tired of the "-R" president after one of the most CONSERVATIVE administrations in the last few decades.

If he were referring to fiscal conservative issues than perhaps he might have something.

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"I mean, you guys are more than welcome to take the religious right off our hands,"

We should round all of these people up and put them in the gas chambers.

[Edited on November 7, 2008 at 6:39 PM. Reason : l]

11/7/2008 6:37:32 PM

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"the conservative base was worked up more than ever"

i don't know about all that

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"one of the most CONSERVATIVE administrations in the last few decades. "

what the fuck ever, dude

not fiscally conservative at all. not even overwhelmingly socially conservative in the Bible-thumping sense--more of a social statist.

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"We should round all of these people up and put them in the gas chambers."

No, no, the vast majority of them are good people with good intentions. They just have some fucking silly ideas about how to handle themselves in the world of government and politics.

[Edited on November 7, 2008 at 7:50 PM. Reason : asdfasd]

11/7/2008 7:49:23 PM

^Before the edit I was all like "Holy shit, Duke agreed with that thing about gas chambers?"

And then I was all like "Oh, okay."

11/7/2008 7:52:12 PM

yeah, i accidentally hit the post button

11/7/2008 7:53:34 PM

Attn: Republicans - plz to listen
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96648705

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"Former Republican Congressman Mickey Edwards argues that the conservative movement has strayed from its founding principles. His book, Reclaiming Conservatism, offers a critique of the movement's current incarnation — and a blueprint for its future success. Edwards is a lecturer at Princeton University's Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs and a founding trustee of the Heritage Foundation."

11/7/2008 9:23:34 PM

Ron Paul's response: (pretty long so I just included the link, good read though)

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/11/paul.republican/index.html

11/12/2008 9:36:49 AM