No, intelligence doesn't undermine government. Wealth undermines government, because the individuals in government are self-interested. Nor does intelligence necessarily beget wealth, circumstance begets wealth as much as intelligence.

11/5/2008 10:40:40 PM

^ so let's get rid of the inheritance tax

great idea

fuck some small businesses

everyone starts equal - yippeee!

11/5/2008 10:40:43 PM

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"by the way - this David Allen Grier shit is fucking hilarious and props to a brotha"

Serisouly? The only funny thing that show has done since it started airing was the intro to tonight's episode: *wait three seconds* ... "HOLY SHIT."

[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 10:41 PM. Reason : .]

11/5/2008 10:40:52 PM

Actually, I said fuck government and let's see something a bit closer to the meritocratic ideal our nation claims to embrace. Anarcho-capitalism ftw.

11/5/2008 10:41:56 PM

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"Nor does intelligence necessarily beget wealth, circumstance begets wealth as much as intelligence"

obama would agree, and that's a problem

be glad you live in 08 and not 1955

11/5/2008 10:42:43 PM

there should be 0 tax on inherited money

the government already got their fucking share

life is not fair, if you aren't born into money, study hard and make money from dumb trust fund fuckers

11/5/2008 10:44:32 PM

Wealth doesn't undermine government, nor does intelligence.

Lack of economic incentive undermines government.

In a modern country where revolution is all-but-impossible, government has virtually no incentive to act efficiently or honestly, and no incentive to decrease its own power and influence. This will be true of virtually any conceivable type of government, except those in countries so small or wealthy (in terms of the average citizen's wealth) that one could easily move away if one does not like that country's policies. A government will continue to receive taxes and votes from its citizens (unless a minimum percentage of required votes is established for election to public office, which is not only impractical for various reasons, but is yet another policy that government has no incentive to enact), regardless of how efficiently they act or how well they act in the best interests of their citizens.

The conclusion is that corruption is essentially a constant within government. Thus, governments should ideally be kept so small that their inherent corruption can affect as few things as possible and waste as little of taxpayers' money as possible.

[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 10:50 PM. Reason : .]

11/5/2008 10:49:47 PM

"Undermine" was a phrase I used to parallel beergotlife's earlier statement and aid in making my point. I like how you quoted and responded to it out of context

Wealth most definitely does influence government towards its own interests, I would hope you can concede that much at least.

11/5/2008 11:01:42 PM

If you are using "wealth" to mean "money" in general, then I can agree, but mostly just because money is an acting factor in the lack of economic incentive that I outlined.

I typically take "wealth" to mean "money accumulated to such a large degree that one can live comfortably and without working off of said money and the additional money made through investment", which is only marginally relevant to the discussion at hand.

11/5/2008 11:07:59 PM

I consider myself a libertarian, but that doesn't mean I'm going to vote that way. Unless something about the system changes, I don't see how a third party could make it.

11/5/2008 11:36:05 PM

^ thats because you have 20/20 vision

I'm walls1441 and i approved this message.

11/5/2008 11:36:35 PM

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bobby-Jindal/10279217805


thats all you need to know.

11/5/2008 11:38:32 PM

I was among the 2% that voted for Munger in my district.

11/5/2008 11:40:46 PM

^^fucking a right

[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 11:42 PM. Reason : ]

11/5/2008 11:41:46 PM

fuck no im not voting for jindal because of this

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"On June 25, 2008, Jindal signed the "Sex Offender Chemical Castration Bill", authorizing the chemical castration of those convicted of certain sex offenses."

11/5/2008 11:44:19 PM

yes

agreed

what if your 4 year old was molested by some psycho?

you would go A TIME TO KILL on that motherfucker

11/5/2008 11:46:26 PM

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"Jindal supports the teaching of intelligent design in public schools."

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"Jindal voted yes on making the PATRIOT Act permanent"

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"In 2006, Jindal sponsored the Deep Ocean Energy Resources Act (H.R. 4761), a bill to eliminate the moratorium on offshore oil and gas drilling over the U.S. outer continental shelf"

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"He opposes embryonic stem cell research"

No thanks.

11/5/2008 11:48:51 PM

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"yes agreed what if your 4 year old was molested by some psycho? you would go A TIME TO KILL on that motherfucker"

im sorry but chemical and radiological castration has already been tried and i dont want to go down that road again

sure that is a heinous crime, but i dont see how chemical castration is going to rehabilitate someone

on the top level, i would expect the urges to molest young children to be psychological, not physical

11/5/2008 11:52:18 PM

fucking a

lets molest some underage bitches then

11/5/2008 11:53:38 PM

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"Jindal signed the "Sex Offender Chemical Castration Bill", authorizing the chemical castration of those convicted of certain sex offenses."

Goddamn... this is America, not the People's Republic of China. Shit is absurd.

11/5/2008 11:54:33 PM

^^ yes, because that is exactly what i said in my post you fucking toolbag

[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 11:55 PM. Reason : 

11/5/2008 11:54:37 PM

yeah, this dude is the exact opposite of what the GOP needs right now.

11/5/2008 11:55:59 PM

you fucking toolbag

what punishment would you suggest for the proven worst child molesters?

11/5/2008 11:57:08 PM

prison?

11/5/2008 11:57:55 PM

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"you fucking toolbag what punishment would you suggest for the proven worst child molesters?"

you cant be seriously suggesting that because i oppose eugenics that i think convicted child molesters should have zero punishment for their actions

[Edited on November 6, 2008 at 12:03 AM. Reason : 

11/6/2008 12:00:34 AM

Oh, I have an idea! Once this passes, let's start cutting the feet off of drunk drivers, so they can't offend again! Or if someone beats their wife, saw off their arms into stumps! Then once everyone in prison is a quadriplegic, the mass extermination can begin!

11/6/2008 12:03:25 AM

prison isn't bad enough for some people

why do you think that eugenics is such a horrible notion? is it because china has been doing it for years? why not limit kids to parents that can afford them?

Yes, I am pro choice - so get rid of it if you can't give it a decent upbringing

^ fucking a right

chop off the arms of repeat thieves - i assure you it would reduce the crime
it might suck with the whiny fags for awhile, but they will get over it when they realize that their shit is safe.

[Edited on November 6, 2008 at 12:06 AM. Reason : ]

11/6/2008 12:03:50 AM

^Policies like that are HUGE strides on the road to government oppression of its people. See the sarcastic logical extension of such ideas that I posted above.

[Edited on November 6, 2008 at 12:05 AM. Reason : .]

11/6/2008 12:05:24 AM

^^I think pro-choice is about the only stance you have that makes any sense

[Edited on November 6, 2008 at 12:07 AM. Reason : ^ generally I like your thoughts]

11/6/2008 12:05:34 AM

I'm pretty sure child molesters don't fare well in prison.

11/6/2008 12:06:18 AM

child molesters shouldn't get the op to go to prison

11/6/2008 12:07:20 AM

^Yes, because writing subjective opinion into law is ALWAYS a great plan!

Seriously, if you don't see how flawed an idea of a government forcing physical alteration upon someone is, even a criminal, you're dangerously insane.

11/6/2008 12:09:02 AM

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"why do you think that eugenics is such a horrible notion?"

hilter

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"prison isn't bad enough for some people"

possibly, however, i think that prison should first be a place for confined rehabilitation through psychotherapy et al and if that doesnt work, total confinement from society

i dont think that society should just give up on convicted criminals, especially the first time through the system, maybe a better system can avoid repeat offenders

11/6/2008 12:09:47 AM

Pedophilia is generally defined to be a mental disorder. You don't abuse the sick because you're not aware of a cure. Yes, it's an anti-social disorder that necessitates the individual be limited in interaction with healthy society. I encourage they be given the option of VOLUNTARILY undergoing castration in lieu of lengthy behavioral rehabilitation efforts. In fact, considering the epic fail that our prison system is when rehabilitation (its primary objective, let's not forget) is concerned, I wouldn't be surprised if many did opt for this. However, it should never be forced upon them. Also, massive prison reform is necessary.

11/6/2008 12:14:04 AM

"prison reform"

LOL

oxymoron

but it would be nice to see certain punishments fit the crime.

like to see white collar criminals be stripped of all their cash and forced to live among poor people

11/6/2008 12:17:02 AM

^What? Seriously? Do Can you even read things?

[Edited on November 6, 2008 at 12:18 AM. Reason : fixed]

[Edited on November 6, 2008 at 12:19 AM. Reason : i'm out for a bit, c-store closes soon.]

11/6/2008 12:17:52 AM

^^Ok Hammurabi

[Edited on November 6, 2008 at 12:19 AM. Reason : ps your philosophy is a bit dated]

11/6/2008 12:18:25 AM

I think it's funny that some of you think this is the last thing the gop needs. Right now he is the popular choice for 2012 whether its for VP or Presidency. The grassroots campaign is fully underway just the same way as the obama one was in 2004 after that election. Would be a great debate to watch obama vrs Jindal. I really think it will happen whether its 12 or 16'.

11/6/2008 1:52:28 AM

Okay, it might not be the worst thing for the GOP.

It'll be the worst thing for the GOP's chances at getting the support of libertarians and many independents.

Then again, the best thing for the GOP would be to actually be conservative again.

11/6/2008 1:58:13 AM

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"Then again, the best thing for the GOP would be to actually be fiscally conservative again."

There is no reason to cater to the religious right, whatever that means. They will come along for the ride no matter what.

11/6/2008 8:34:14 AM

Then again, the best thing for the GOP would be to actually be conservative again.

11/6/2008 10:56:55 AM

11/6/2008 11:00:08 AM

all i see is

"RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE...MY VIEWS ON POLITICS ARE CORRECT AND HAVE NO LOOPHOLES. YOURS DOES LET ME TELL YOU ....RABBLE"

reply


"RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE...MY VIEWS ON POLITICS ARE CORRECT AND HAVE NO LOOPHOLES. YOURS DOES LET ME TELL YOU WHY....RABBLE"

fucking face it people.
all party's politics have loopholes.
you will never get around that.

thinking your party doesn't is complete ignorance.
and apparently some people have this "problem"

it's mostly a matter of what you find most important and you stick to that.
and we all dont have the same convictions.


deal with it.

11/6/2008 11:01:48 AM

preach on, girl, preach on.

11/6/2008 11:02:27 AM

^^counterpoint: why do you hate Amuricuh?

11/6/2008 11:06:24 AM

hahahahahah

that made me

its exactly why i love america.

11/6/2008 11:07:08 AM

^^^^^That's my desktop background.

11/6/2008 11:18:38 AM

^wheres a high res version of it?


id love it to be mine

11/6/2008 11:26:52 AM

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"fucking face it people. all party's politics have loopholes. you will never get around that. thinking your party doesn't is complete ignorance. and apparently some people have this "problem" it's mostly a matter of what you find most important and you stick to that. and we all dont have the same convictions."

I wonder how many people in America realize this.

Whatever it is (and I'm guessing its scary low)....it's definitely not even close to being enough.

11/6/2008 11:28:46 AM

Reagan had it right, no pun intended. The GOP needs to go back to being socially-conservative AND fiscally-conservative to regain support. One without the other has proven to be an epic fail of political will and widespread support.

Everyone should understand that humans are naturally imperfect beings. Therefore, all human ventures will inherently have elements of imperfection as well. This should go without saying. Consequently, the decisions that people make on election-day should take into account this universal truth, and your choices should be based upon intelligent evaluation of the issues, the policies and the vision of the party that you selected.

All people will continue to disagree with each other on the context of each political party’s platforms until the end of time, but I think that we can all agree on one point. A uniformed vote is only slightly better than no vote at all. When you cast your vote, remember the Americans that laid down their lives so that you could live in a free country and voice your opinion. Try to consider the time that you spend researching your candidate as a way of paying tribute to their sacrifice, and never forget that your vote does matter and your diligence in making your decision is reflective of being a patriotic American.

11/6/2008 11:32:39 AM