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11/14/2008 4:26:47 PM

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"when I went to NCSU I saw some of the most vile, disgusting, hateful shit painted in that tunnel directed at christians, jews, blacks, whites, asians, indians...EVERYONE."

Anecdotal evidence is great.

Also, anything directed towards a specific person?

11/14/2008 4:32:23 PM

When I lived in Raleigh my grandmother gave me one of her NCSU sweatshirts, yesterday I was cold and looking through my closet. I glanced upon and it thought "What a disgrace" and wanted to toss it in the trash.

Good job guys!!1

11/14/2008 4:34:03 PM

I love how everyone is surprised, like there weren't a shitload of racists in your undergrad career.

11/14/2008 4:35:34 PM

^^ that's retarded

11/14/2008 4:36:12 PM

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"Anecdotal evidence is great. Also, anything directed towards a specific person?"

have you never walked through that shit? tell me I am wrong and I, with everyone else, will laugh in your face.

when TWW was born people would talk shit in the tunnel to other TWW users with paint.

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"When I lived in Raleigh my grandmother gave me one of her NCSU sweatshirts, yesterday I was cold and looking through my closet. I glanced upon and it thought "What a disgrace" and wanted to toss it in the trash. Good job guys!!1"

thats some stupid shit right there. I guess everyone who went to UVA should be ashamed of themselves because Thomas Jefferson owned slaves? please. lets save the fake outrage mmmk?

11/14/2008 4:37:05 PM

Yeah if that's your definition of disgraceful...

11/14/2008 4:37:32 PM

No more retarded than choosing no to donate to the school because of this event.

Some people need to realize that their actions do have consequences. When you attend NCSTATE you represent that school.

11/14/2008 4:39:51 PM

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" have you never walked through that shit? tell me I am wrong and I, with everyone else, will laugh in your face. when TWW was born people would talk shit in the tunnel to other TWW users with paint. "

And it's up to the University to determine which are credible threats and which aren't...

and when stuff like this happens weeks beforehand:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/11/14/2419652.htm

I'm sure you can imagine how they'd react more seriously to threats against Obama's life than "jackleg is a tool lol" written on the wall.

11/14/2008 4:39:52 PM

the secret service wasted their time investigating these clowns. I would say that is a pretty serious reaction. they found no threat.

peoples vaginas are really hurting today. dont you realize that the more offended you get about stupid shit like this, the more it will happen?

11/14/2008 4:58:04 PM

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"peoples vaginas are really hurting today"

11/14/2008 4:59:26 PM

^^Just because the secret service found there was no threat doesn't mean that people are overreacting.

If someone wears a shirt every day in class that says, "I hate that nigger Obama," and the secret service investigates and finds out he isn't going to kill Obama but is just a racist, should the University just throw their arms up and go "Whelp, no crime here! Carry on!"

11/14/2008 5:51:22 PM

That's probably all they'd have to do considering he'd get his ass beat for wearing a shirt like that on campus.

It's not like we all go around giving thumbs up to people spraying "N****R" on the free expression wall.

The university should've given them something like community service to do simply because they lack tact and made NCSU look retarded.

Whatever, this'll be water under the bridge in a couple weeks and nobody will give a shit about it any more.

11/14/2008 6:18:18 PM

Mindstorm for the win.

[Edited on November 14, 2008 at 8:11 PM. Reason : ,]

11/14/2008 8:11:13 PM

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"You know, I think I would be fine with no punishment if they publicly identified the students by posting their pictures and full names all over the news. "ON NOVEMBER 6TH, 2008, JOE SMITH [picture] SPRAYPAINTED "KILL THAT NIGGER" ON THE FREE EXPRESSION TUNNEL. HE IS A SOPHOMORE AT NCSU." "

haha that would be funny to read in a newspaper

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"treetwista wrote: sounds like anything can be construed as hate speech, if you want to be a whiny bitch HE ATTACKED MY HAIR COLOR, THAT IS HATE SPEECH "

Most organizations have these things called regulations, which define what these things mean. "hair color" isn't a "protected class" typically under these types of regulations.

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"spanking your kids gets the message across more than telling your kid "no" "

research actually says otherwise. wow, you're a box of wrong in this thread.

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"DaBird: when I went to NCSU I saw some of the most vile, disgusting, hateful shit painted in that tunnel directed at christians, jews, blacks, whites, asians, indians...EVERYONE. why is it so different this one time? because of the use of a word that is used ALL the time? "

I've said it before that the word "nigger" is no stranger to the free expression tunnel, that's not what this is about. It's different because it was directed at our new president, of whom one facet is being the first half-black guy elected pres.. The country is celebrating a landmark historical election, and these asshats are going to call the president of the united states a nigger for no good reason; this spits in the face of any red-blooded American walking through the tunnel. Realistically though, it's likely the proximity to the election that caused so much outrage, it'd be like talking shit about 9/11 victims the day after the attacks, what kind of person would do that? I recall several TWW users getting banned for doing just that around 9/11.

[Edited on November 14, 2008 at 8:40 PM. Reason : ]

11/14/2008 8:24:36 PM

i dont understand why people act like our country has 100% free speech


there are plenty of laws on the books that restrict what you can and cannot say

11/14/2008 8:36:32 PM

Here we go, what if someone wrote this on the Free Expression tunnel tomorrow:

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"On November 17th at 2:04pm, a bomb will be detonated inside Harrelson Hall."

It's just a joke, so no one should get mad. I mean, freedom of speech, right?

[Edited on November 14, 2008 at 9:14 PM. Reason : ]

11/14/2008 9:11:37 PM

i'll be in class then

11/14/2008 9:12:16 PM

It's not like anyone who spraypainted that would be making a real threat. They would just be expressing themselves freely. And if the University, or the police, had to divert resources to investigate it, they shouldn't be mad when they find out whoever spraypainted it wasn't serious, right?

11/14/2008 9:13:48 PM

I havent read the whole thread (or even much of it) but I agree with EMCE, no donations from me.

Smell ya later NCSU.



(this has nothing to do with the free speech debacle in the expression tunnel)

11/14/2008 9:14:44 PM

Wonderful

http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=6261962

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"Election Spurs 'Hundreds' of Race Threats, Crimes From vandalism to beating threat, Obama election spurs 'hundreds' of racial incidents in US By JESSE WASHINGTON The Associated Press Cross burnings. Schoolchildren chanting "Assassinate Obama." Black figures hung from nooses. Racial epithets scrawled on homes and cars. Incidents around the country referring to President-elect Barack Obama are dampening the postelection glow of racial progress and harmony, highlighting the stubborn racism that remains in America. From California to Maine, police have documented a range of alleged crimes, from vandalism and vague threats to at least one physical attack. Insults and taunts have been delivered by adults, college students and second-graders. There have been "hundreds" of incidents since the election, many more than usual, said Mark Potok, director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate crimes. One was in Snellville, Ga., where Denene Millner said a boy on the school bus told her 9-year-old daughter the day after the election: "I hope Obama gets assassinated." That night, someone trashed her sister-in-law's front lawn, mangled the Obama lawn signs, and left two pizza boxes filled with human feces outside the front door, Millner said. She described her emotions as a combination of anger and fear. "I can't say that every white person in Snellville is evil and anti-Obama and willing to desecrate my property because one or two idiots did it," said Millner, who is black. "But it definitely makes you look a little different at the people who you live with, and makes you wonder what they're capable of and what they're really thinking." Potok, who is white, said he believes there is "a large subset of white people in this country who feel that they are losing everything they know, that the country their forefathers built has somehow been stolen from them." Grant Griffin, a 46-year-old white Georgia native, expressed similar sentiments: "I believe our nation is ruined and has been for several decades and the election of Obama is merely the culmination of the change. "If you had real change it would involve all the members of (Obama's) church being deported," he said. Change in whatever form does not come easy, and a black president is "the most profound change in the field of race this country has experienced since the Civil War," said William Ferris, senior associate director of the Center for the Study of the American South at the University of North Carolina. "It's shaking the foundations on which the country has existed for centuries." "Someone once said racism is like cancer," Ferris said. "It's never totally wiped out, it's in remission." If so, America's remission lasted until the morning of Nov. 5. The day after the vote hailed as a sign of a nation changed, black high school student Barbara Tyler of Marietta, Ga., said she heard hateful Obama comments from white students, and that teachers cut off discussion about Obama's victory. Tyler spoke at a press conference by the Georgia chapter of the NAACP calling for a town hall meeting to address complaints from across the state about hostility and resentment. Another student, from a Covington middle school, said he was suspended for wearing an Obama shirt to school Nov. 5 after the principal told students not to wear political paraphernalia. The student's mother, Eshe Riviears, said the principal told her: "Whether you like it or not, we're in the South, and there are a lot of people who are not happy with this decision." Other incidents include: —Four North Carolina State University students admitted writing anti-Obama comments in a tunnel designated for free speech expression, including one that said: "Let's shoot that (N-word) in the head." Obama has received more threats than any other president-elect, authorities say. —At Standish, Maine, a sign inside the Oak Hill General Store read: "Osama Obama Shotgun Pool." Customers could sign up to bet $1 on a date when Obama would be killed. "Stabbing, shooting, roadside bombs, they all count," the sign said. At the bottom of the marker board was written "Let's hope someone wins." —Racist graffiti was found in places including New York's Long Island, where two dozen cars were spray-painted; Kilgore, Texas, where the local high school and skate park were defaced; and the Los Angeles area, where swastikas, racial slurs and "Go Back To Africa" were spray painted on sidewalks, houses and cars. —Second- and third-grade students on a school bus in Rexburg, Idaho, chanted "assassinate Obama," a district official said. —University of Alabama professor Marsha L. Houston said a poster of the Obama family was ripped off her office door. A replacement poster was defaced with a death threat and a racial slur. "It seems the election brought the racist rats out of the woodwork," Houston said. —Black figures were hanged by nooses from trees on Mount Desert Island, Maine, the Bangor Daily News reported. The president of Baylor University in Waco, Texas said a rope found hanging from a campus tree was apparently an abandoned swing and not a noose. —Crosses were burned in yards of Obama supporters in Hardwick, N.J., and Apolacan Township, Pa. —A black teenager in New York City said he was attacked with a bat on election night by four white men who shouted 'Obama.' —In the Pittsburgh suburb of Forest Hills, a black man said he found a note with a racial slur on his car windshield, saying "now that you voted for Obama, just watch out for your house." Emotions are often raw after a hard-fought political campaign, but now those on the losing side have an easy target for their anger. "The principle is very simple," said BJ Gallagher, a sociologist and co-author of the diversity book "A Peacock in the Land of Penguins." "If I can't hurt the person I'm angry at, then I'll vent my anger on a substitute, i.e., someone of the same race." "We saw the same thing happen after the 9-11 attacks, as a wave of anti-Muslim violence swept the country. We saw it happen after the Rodney King verdict, when Los Angeles blacks erupted in rage at the injustice perpetrated by 'the white man.'" "It's as stupid and ineffectual as kicking your dog when you've had a bad day at the office," Gallagher said. "But it happens a lot." ——— Associated Press writers Errin Haines, Jerry Harkavy, Jay Reeves, Johnny Clark and researcher Rhonda Shafner contributed to this report. Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Copyright © 2008 ABC News Internet Ventures "

[Edited on November 17, 2008 at 10:47 AM. Reason : ]

11/17/2008 10:46:39 AM

'tis the name that NCSU has chosen for itself...

11/17/2008 10:52:45 AM

would you have expected any different when a black man was elected President, God?

11/17/2008 11:18:26 AM

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"'tis the name that NCSU has chosen for itself..."

how so? its not like anyone encouraged this shit. your anger at the university is misplaced.

11/17/2008 2:10:00 PM

If I don't punish my child for acting out, I'm encouraging his bad behavior.

11/17/2008 2:11:30 PM

exactly.

this is a crude example, but....

if you let your dog shit on your carpet, and don't punish it, it's going to keep shitting on your carpet. If your friend is visiting you, and watches your dog shit on your carpet, and watches you do nothing....

guess what...your friend is going to think you're ok with letting dogs shit on your carpet.

11/17/2008 2:29:50 PM