JASON CANDLE

11/29/2008 11:24:35 AM

4-8

11/30/2008 10:11:32 PM

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"1) Brees 2) Warner 3) Peyton 4) Eli 5) Favre 6) Big Ben 7) Rivers 8) Romo 9) Ryan 10) Cassel"

You put a guy on a 6-6 team at #1

If he's the best in the leauge, shouldn't his team have a better record?

11/30/2008 10:14:30 PM

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"L. Tomlinson 14 carries 24 yards 1.7 average"

Yes this game clearly falls on Phil's shoulders.....

11/30/2008 10:16:17 PM

1. Eli

11/30/2008 10:17:42 PM

Brees could break one of Marino's records this year. That's pretty ridiculous.

All Rivers had to do today was score above 22 points. I didn't say the loss fell squarely on his shoulders...but at 4-8, the starting QB has to have a little accountability.

11/30/2008 11:04:20 PM

All Brees had to do was score above 23 points, instead he threw 3 interceptions.

11/30/2008 11:13:30 PM

^ you are still wrong. Brady not considered, Brees is the best QB in the league right now.

11/30/2008 11:17:26 PM

if you have watched the chargers at all this year, you know for a FACT that rivers gets almost no blame for that record. after watching that team for 12 games you can't really blame rivers or lt, or an o-line that continually gets blown up, or the worst defense in the league. ted cottrell might have been part of the problem, but the main problem is norv turner. it starts and ends with norv. he's been a failure everywhere he has been a head coach.

11/30/2008 11:27:09 PM

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"You put a guy on a 6-6 team at #1 If he's the best in the leauge, shouldn't his team have a better record?"

I know right! The other 21 starters just waste space on the field

11/30/2008 11:30:12 PM

lol


you just made my argument for me

11/30/2008 11:31:46 PM

more passing yards through 12 games than any other QB in NFL history...

maybe his defense just sucks ass (which they do)

11/30/2008 11:38:49 PM

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"All Brees had to do was score above 23 points, instead he threw 3 interceptions."

He's also won two more games than Rivers on an arguably less talented team.

11/30/2008 11:50:48 PM

But less games than many other QB's, like Eli, Collins, Garcia, and friggin Jake Delhomme.

So games matter to a certain point, after that it's all stats?

And who decides which team has more talent? Rivers has talented recievers and a great TE, but his offensive line blows. LT was talented, but now he's mediocre. Merriman is a very talented player, but he's hurt. We thought Cromartie was talented, but he apparently fooled us all.

12/1/2008 12:07:06 AM

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"So games matter to a certain point, after that it's all stats?"

Or the other way around...it probably works the same either way. You obviously don't put as much weight into the record as I do...and I guess that's why we disagree.

And Philip gets adequate pass protection. He gets a lot better protection than Big Ben does...and he's making due in Pittsburgh. And I personally think the Chargers have one of the best receiving corps in the league (top 5 IMO). They could use a better running game and defense...but they still shouldn't be 4-8.

12/1/2008 12:13:51 AM

Ben "Makes due" with only 1 more TD than INT.

Rivers gets average pass protection. He's right in the middle of the league with 19 sacks, Brees has 10 sacks.

Again, if you put that much weight on record, how can you have Brees at the top spot?

12/1/2008 12:20:03 AM

the chargers do not have a top-5 receiving corp. you're fooling yourself if you think that. and the chargers o-line has been god awful all year. the pass protection has gotten worse over the course of the season.

big ben makes due because he has the best defense in the NFL.

12/1/2008 12:28:56 AM

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"how can you have Brees at the top spot?"

Because he's about to break the yardage mark held by one of the best QBs of all-time...with a shitty receiving corp.

And Chambers, Gates, and Jackson is a strong receiving corp, with a 6'5" Malcolm Floyd as the 4th WR and LT and Sproles coming out of the backfield.

12/1/2008 7:55:28 AM

12/1/2008 2:32:02 PM

Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Tony Romo are the 3 best QBs in the league

12/1/2008 2:33:51 PM

you are probably my least favorite sports talk poster

12/1/2008 2:34:47 PM

thats assuming Tom Brady comes back healthy from his surgery

and that Romo can win a playoff game sometime in the next 10 years

12/1/2008 2:46:34 PM

^^I am not here to appease anyone

12/1/2008 2:58:37 PM

Steve DeBerg
Billy Joe Tolliver
Rodney Peete
Scott Mitchell
Billy Joe Hobert
Bobby Hebert
Jim Everett
Dave Krieg
Jack Trudeau
and of course...Frank Reich

12/1/2008 3:00:04 PM

here's my top 10 -- they're ranked via a non-scientific method based on how i feel they are currently performing, what their career legacy has been thus far, their impact on their respective teams, and their level of execution on offensive plays and managing the game:

Peyton
Warner
Favre
Brees
Rivers
Romo
Eli
Garcia
McNabb
Cutler


Honorable Mention:

Big Ben


Future Mainstays on List:

Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan

12/1/2008 3:24:30 PM

These rankings are for this year so Tom Brady will be excluded. I also haven't really looked at the stats of any of these guys but I watch a lot of football and from what I've seen these are my top 10:

1.)Drew Brees
2.)Eli Manning
3.)Kurt Warner
4.)Peyton Manning
5.)Tony Romo
6.)Phillip Rivers
7.)Matt Ryan
8.)Jay Cutler
9.) Aaron Rodgers
10.) Big Ben

and no I didn't forget Farve.

12/1/2008 5:09:26 PM

another reason tony choke homo shouldnt be on this list.

12/7/2008 7:45:06 PM

i would pick the qb with the best stats for my hypothetical team because i would also pick the other positions with the best stats for my hypothetical team

12/7/2008 9:31:45 PM

how are y'all putting tony homo on the list when he was out for a month with a BROKEN PINKY?

12/9/2008 5:41:49 AM

How can anyone not like Tony Romo?

12/9/2008 8:39:16 AM

^He's not clutch at all. And his name rhymes with "homo".

...pretty much just the first one.

[Edited on December 9, 2008 at 8:47 AM. Reason : .]

12/9/2008 8:46:49 AM

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"And Philip gets adequate pass protection. He gets a lot better protection than Big Ben does...and he's making due in Pittsburgh. And I personally think the Chargers have one of the best receiving corps in the league (top 5 IMO). They could use a better running game and defense...but they still shouldn't be 4-8."

Ben "Makes Due" because he has the best defense in the league to back him up...Least number of yards and points given up compared to the chargers' 25th ranked defense. In other words, he has to score less to win.

Pitt Def: given up 3145 yds, 183 pts and averages 14 pts/G given up.
SD Def: given up 4574 yds, 281 pts and averages 22 pts/G given up.

On top of having to score 8pts more a game to win, Rivers has twice as many TDs and less interceptions with nearly identical passing attempts per game. Overall, the SD offense has averaged more pts per game than Pitt. Each teams' rushing performance is also very very similar (less than 2 attempt per game difference and about 3ypg difference avg i think) so neither team or QB is getting his offense skewed too much by his backs' performances.

How can you even try and say that Big Ben is playing better than Rivers? What about his teams' record makes him better? I mean you do agree that the QB doesnt have that much responsibility over the defense's performance at least right??? I guess im not sure what kind of stats you are looking for a QB to have before he can be evaluated without his teams' poor defense dragging him down.

Then again, somehow you have Brees at number one at 6-6 and Rivers is dead even or beating in stats in almost every category...the main reason that Brees is approaching the mark in yds is because he has over 500 attempts. But you are able to ignore his record there. (not saying hes bad but you have conflicting logic)

[Edited on December 9, 2008 at 9:16 AM. Reason : ]

12/9/2008 9:08:42 AM

For all of the people saying Tony Romo shouldn't be on the list who should take his place??

12/9/2008 10:28:00 AM

^^I'd probably switch the two now. But Ben still gets probably some of the worst pass protection in the league...and he did lead his team back against the Cowboys this weekend.

And New Orleans is two games ahead of San Diego and Brees has him by almost 1,000 yards in the stats. That being said...I might jump Peyton ahead of Warner and Brees now. The man is stepping up even more as the season goes along.

12/9/2008 10:42:50 AM

^^Schaub

12/9/2008 10:45:53 AM

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"Brees has him by almost 1,000 yards"

Because he has something like 130 more passing attempts. Just look at college QBs like colt brennan and the kid from houston this year. Always putting up ridiculous yardage because they throw 100, 200, or sometimes even 300 more times than other QBs out there.

Once again, not saying Brees is bad or Rivers is definitely better. But I dont see pure yardage as a stat to throw someone way up in the rankings.

[Edited on December 9, 2008 at 10:57 AM. Reason : ]

12/9/2008 10:48:39 AM

I think Rivers is being hurt by the perception that San Diego is much better then they actually are. LT just isn't LT, where the hell is Antonio Gates? WR's are average.. defense lost its spark. They just never recovered from some of their early season bad luck(thanks refs!)

With that said here would be my list, as of today, just going by gut(bored at work).

1. Brees - I just like him, big numbers, dealt this year with a lot of injuries and bad defense. I mean considering best WR out at times, TE out at times, and RB's in and out..
2. P Manning - Statistically not his best year obviously, but he is still Manning and they are winning.
3. Warner - Big numbers, great talent around him but there were QBs there before him with that talent that didn't do what he is doing. He is only 80 yards behind Brees.
4. Rivers - Said it in another above, I think the team around him is terrible and overrated. LT is a shadow of himself this year, WR are average, Gates having a down year.. He still has 26 tds and only 10 picks.
5. E Manning - Would be higher until this week when he was doing the typical "manning pouty face" You know the one I'm talking about. I hate the giants, so I'm bias here if you want to argue him higher then fine but I think he had been playing over his head for a lot of this year and his real self is something between this past weekend and the weeks earlier.
6. Jay Cutler - Although he is inconsistent at times, I think he is the best QB in the league 2 years from now. He has great numbers this season though.
7. Tony Homo - I don't even actually want him this high, but when he is on he is a great qb. Problem is when he is off he is a turnover machine and puts his team in positions to lose by trying to make to many risky plays.
8. McNabb - When healthy and having fun he is a great QB(and has been the last 2 weeks). Would be nice if they could get some receivers with talent around him that weren't headcases.
9. Matt Ryan - Rookie on a team people thought would take years to recover and has them looking good. Maybe the best rookie QB season ever.
10. Pretty tough, I'd say Favre but he has looked bad lately, Big Ben I do like but he has eh numbers and a great defense helping him. Cassel, Pennington, Rogers... Gonna go with Cassel at #10 although prob just a toss up to me between all of these guys.

Meh, feel free to tell me I'm an idiot, but this managed to kill 10 minutes for me at work so a win for me either way.

[Edited on December 9, 2008 at 11:57 AM. Reason : ..]

[Edited on December 9, 2008 at 11:57 AM. Reason : .]

12/9/2008 11:56:34 AM

Bump for Eli's great performance tonight!

^Can't believe I didn't see this list before. Romo at 7 after Cutler? Cutler isn't near top 10.

12/15/2008 12:19:36 AM

When I made that list it was after Romo was coming off a game looking terrible, and Cutler had a few good games in a row. He also looked good early this season, and I think he will continue to get better. He played terrible today.

He is in my top 10, I don't mind you arguing my list, but at the least write something to try to back it up.

After this week my list would probably change again. I'd have Cassel much higher, he was impressive today all things considered.

12/15/2008 12:47:56 AM

All the people saying Big Ben rides a running game and a great defense to victories but still have Favre on their lists perplex me.. Besides one game in which he threw 6 touchdowns Favre has been plain average at best, he belongs on no top 10 list at all; I'd rank him and Jake Delhomme in the same territory

12/15/2008 1:19:31 AM

lol Tyler Thigpen

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this year:

1. Manning
2. Luck
3. Rodgers
4. Brady
5. Rivers
6. Roethlisberger
7. Flacco
8. Brees
9. Ryan
10. Stafford

[Edited on November 8, 2014 at 11:57 PM. Reason : .]

11/8/2014 11:54:17 PM

Flacco over RW??

11/9/2014 12:52:38 AM

I mean

Seattle is 30th in passing offense, Flacco has more yards, more touchdowns, doesn't have a top-5 defense, etc

Wilson wasn't a top-10 QB last year either. Helps when you have an elite defense and an All Pro running back.

11/9/2014 1:04:28 AM

I really don't buy luck that high. He hasn't had his bye yet so his numbers look a game better than most of the rest, but he's thrown like 90 more times than the next guy. And he has like twice the turnovers. He's very good, and because of his age I'd take him to start a team, but just for this year I'd probably put him like 4th or 5th. Def not mvp material

11/9/2014 1:10:33 AM

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"1. Manning 2. Luck 3. Rodgers 4. Brady 5. Rivers 6. Roethlisberger 7. Flacco 8. Brees 9. Ryan 10. Stafford"

100% fuck no.

1. Rodgers
2. Luck
3. Manning
4. Roethlisberger
5. Brady
6. Rivers
7. Romo
8. Wilson
9. Palmer
10. Brees

11/9/2014 6:03:12 AM

^ troll

11/9/2014 8:23:08 AM

1. Glennon
2. Glennon
3. Glennon
4. Glennon
5. Glennon
6. Glennon
7. Glennon
8. Glennon
9. Glennon
10. Glennon

11/9/2014 8:45:00 AM

^^^Ok I'll revise my list. Rodgers is definitely #1 and Brady is clearly above Peyton. and lol at Palmer. The Cardinals' offense is better without him. And lol at Wilson being in the top 10.

[Edited on November 16, 2014 at 4:49 PM. Reason : .]

11/16/2014 4:48:29 PM

RW is currently 11th in the NFL in rushing yards. That's gotta count for something, right?

11/16/2014 4:53:06 PM

I'm just going to point out that Russell Wilson's best weapon is Doug Baldwin. He's like a better version of Alex Smith. They both helm running offenses, but Wilson has got more upside and is a better passer.

I know they lost today, and I'm a Chiefs fan, but Wilson is one of the better QBs in the league. It's unfortunate that Palmer got hurt, you can obviously pull him off the list now, but who would you replace him with? After Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Luck there's a step down to a second tier. That second tier is basically Rivers, Romo, Stafford, and Big Ben in some order, and then there's another step down to a bunch of decent guys. You can start throwing up Wison, Alex Smith, Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, and the like, but after the top 6 or 7 dudes is basically a crap shoot as far as how you rank the next 8.

[Edited on November 16, 2014 at 4:58 PM. Reason : Forgot about Stafford who is once again looking competent.]

11/16/2014 4:58:01 PM