Page 3 of trying to figure out NCState's bowl bid

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11/30/2008 12:02:20 AM

Let's go Wildcats! I hope the Zona Zoo shows up in full force next week.





Please to not disappoint like this team

11/30/2008 12:21:29 AM

also gotta account for the Big12 getting multiple teams into the BCS at large which could open a few spots, same with the SEC and possible the PAC-10 if UCLA beats USC next week

11/30/2008 12:32:13 AM

So if the Big 12 South winner makes it to the National Championship game and the loser of the OU/UT BCS rating tie-breaker gets in a BCS bowl, then the Big XII might end up having two bowls that they can't fill.

11/30/2008 1:07:52 AM

^ we should have a college football awards thread

11/30/2008 1:13:10 AM

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"UConn"

i wish the pack would schedule us...

11/30/2008 1:22:05 AM

i'll go apeshit if Clemson gets into a bowl and we don't only because they scheduled two D-1AA teams.

11/30/2008 1:44:44 AM

^ exactly.

11/30/2008 1:47:09 AM

isn't it a 2 game rule? for example we can't bypass UNC for a bowl because they have 2 more wins, but the bowl comittee can choose 6-6 over a 7-5 based on preference? Sorry if it's been discussed already.

Seems like Charlotte would want Clemson, they travel just as well as we do. I like the bowl in DC though, I think that we'll end up there.

11/30/2008 1:47:36 AM

well get ready to go apeshit.

11/30/2008 1:47:39 AM

no. for our acc tie in bowls there are 9 acc teams with 7 wins so unless im completely wrong (which is very possible) our ACC bowls are locked in and we are on the outside. We have to hope for an atlarge bid atm, hopefully one of the 2 big 12 bowls vacant. and we really really need the sun devils to lose

11/30/2008 1:54:59 AM

Man, between here and packpride, I don't think anyone really knows what the rules are about conference tie-ins. The at large BCS bids is pretty clear though, 7-5 teams go before 6-6, but again, that is lame if 2 of those wins are from FCS schools.

11/30/2008 2:00:03 AM

nobody knows what the fuck is going on. Its just a bunch of people typing out their interpretations of rules. The only one that is a FACT is that outside of the ACC, 7-5 teams have to be taken before 6-6 teams. I don't think anyone really understands the ACC rule. I always thought it was determined by conference record, which would leave about 6 teams at 4-4 fighting for the bowls. Who knows.....i'll enjoy the ride

11/30/2008 2:02:38 AM

i bet we will go to the peach bowl!!

11/30/2008 2:02:40 AM

I'm pretty sure clemson counts as a 6 win team, the same as us, because only one of their FCS wins counts towards bowl eligibility

this would mean we COULD go to an acc bowl, depends on if we're picked over Clemson

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11/30/2008 2:02:54 AM

Sucks that it s Clemson, since they travel well and will bring in the $. If it were Wake, UNC, hell even GT it would be better for us, if they really are considered just a 6 win team (which they should be...)

11/30/2008 2:05:39 AM

(said in a few other threads)

apparently odd/vague wording in the eligibility rules counts all of clemson's wins as affecting their record after they become eligible with 6 d1 wins or possibly what package said. either of which fucks us regardless

either way if it does turn out it's us v clemson why wouldn't a bowl pick a state team that's on the rise over a Clemson team with no coach ?.... who follows a team with no coach



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11/30/2008 2:06:11 AM

^^ Clemson is a 6 win team and only one of their FCS wins counts. BUT that gives them more wins than losses 6-5 which puts them ahead of us according to the rules

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11/30/2008 2:06:23 AM

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"either way if it does turn out it's us v clemson why wouldn't a bowl pick a state team that's on the rise over a Clemson team with no coach ?.... who follows a team with no coach"

I think there is a good possibility Swinney will be named coach for next year after the thumping they gave USC.

11/30/2008 2:11:58 AM

^^that makes sense

damn

11/30/2008 2:14:58 AM

Taken from SI.com Stewart Mandel, probably the only person in the country who fully understands how bowl pairings, go on the whole 7-5 wins things

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" • Bowls are not obligated to choose their teams in exact order of conference standings. For instance, ACC No. 3" means "third choice of ACC teams" -- not "the ACC's third-place team." • Finally, a bowl can only select a 6-6 team from a conference if no 7-5 team from that league is still available. •Similarly, bowls seeking an "at-large" team to replace a conference that did not produce enough eligible teams cannot choose a 6-6 team if there is a 7-5 team available."

Basically it looks we are on the on the outside looking in regards to ACC bowls but lets see how the BCS at-large bids come out and free up some bowl spots.Either way, I will be paying close attention on Monday when most bowl predictions come out if/where we are projected to go..

11/30/2008 2:38:26 AM

With the way NCSU has played in the past 3 weeks they deserve every bit of a bowl game. Clemson was ranked what, 8th in the country before being thoroughly owned over and over again, only to fire Bowden?

State deserves to be in a bowl game, period. Shit Im actually entertained watching Wilson play. Hes definitely got NFL talent.

11/30/2008 3:05:08 AM

Things that will help us out:
Arizona beats Arizona State
Rutgers beats Louisville

Assuming that, and assuming Utah gets a BCS bid and Boise State does not, then two WAC teams that do not get conference tie-in bids will have to get at-large bids first. After that, the rest of the pool is:
NC State
Louisville (if they beat Rutgers)
Notre Dame
Bowling Green
Northern Illinois
Arkansas State
Florida Atlantic
Louisiana-Lafayette/Middle Tennessee State winner
San Jose State

We are AT LEAST the third most attractive team on that list, and I dare say the most attractive, other than that bowl being very close one of the other schools. There are at least 5 bowls with open slots, so I would be SHOCKED if this team, with its traveling fanbase and four-game win streak, stays at home this Christmas...it just wont be to one of the usual suspects (one site has us in the Motor City Bowl vs Ball State).

11/30/2008 3:08:46 AM

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"for our acc tie in bowls there are 9 acc teams with 7 wins so unless im completely wrong (which is very possible)"

no, that is only an NCAA rule for at large births... the acc picks based on conference record after teams accumulate their 6 wins... thus if the acc is smart, they will make sure they select us with one of their picks, leaving a 7-5 team out that will automatically get an atlarge birth somewhere.... everyone quit worrying, we will end up somewhere, most likely dc or charlotte, with an outside shot at nashville or orlando

This is the ACC Rule about bowl games: (from acc.com)
The most significant change this year is that the league has now mandated that each bowl must select a team within one game in the conference standings, an adjustment made after two 6-5 teams, NC State and Virginia, were selected ahead of teams that had better records in conference play, Boston College and Georgia Tech.

That rule had previously been in effect only for the Toyota Gator Bowl and the Chick-Fil-A Bowl, but is now instituted for all seven non-BCS bowls.

Another change is that the loser of the ACC Championship game can fall no lower than the Music City Bowl in Nashville, which currently has the fourth pick outside the BCS.

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11/30/2008 8:06:18 AM

^ hmm, hope you're right....

11/30/2008 9:51:49 AM

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"Our OOC schedule next year should be: McNeese State, Rutgers, UConn, and Notre Dame. That way we can go 3-5 in the ACC and still get a better bowl than the 4-4 teams."

UNC was 4-4 in the ACC.

11/30/2008 10:37:45 AM

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"no, that is only an NCAA rule for at large births"

you might want to check on that.

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"30.9.2.1 Exceptions - 12 Game Season. During each year in which an institution is permitted to participate in 12 regular-season football games, an institution with a record of six wins and six losses may be selected for participation in a bowl game if that institution is a member of a conference with which the bowl organization has a contractual affiliation, and there is no other team in that conference qualified for selection per Bylaw 30.9.2. If the conference with which the bowl is affiliated has no other institution that is qualified for selection or a team with a 6-6 record, the bowl may invite a team with a 6-6 regular-season record from another conference with which it does not have an affiliation only if there is no other team with a 7-5 record available in the Division I FBS. Additionally, a bowl game without a conference affiliation may invite any team with a record of six wins and six losses if there is no team with a 7-5 record available in the Division I FBS. During a season in which an institution competes in 13 regular season contests, the institution must establish a record of seven wins, six losses or better to qualify for bowl selection."

regarding extra slots:

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"ACC (Nine bowl slots) 1. Boston College 9 (ACC Atlantic Division Champions) 2. Clemson 7 3. Florida State 8 4. Georgia Tech 9 5. Maryland 7 6. Miami (FL) 7 7. North Carolina 8 8. North Carolina State 6 9. Virginia Tech 8 (ACC Coastal Division Champions) 10. Wake Forest 7 No additional teams in contention for bowl eligibility Big East (Six bowl slots) 1. Cincinnati 10 (Big East Champions & BCS Automatic at-large birth) 2. Connecticut 7 3. Pitt 8 4. Rutgers 6 5. South Florida 7 6. West Virginia 7 Remaining team in contention for bowl eligibility: Louisville 5 (must win against Rutgers on December 4) Big Ten (Seven guaranteed bowl slots) 1. Iowa 8 2. Michigan State 9 3. Minnesota 7 4. Northwestern 9 5. Ohio State 10 (Big Ten Co-Champions) 6. Penn State 11 (Big Ten Co-Champions; Rose Bowl Participant) 7. Wisconsin 7 No additional teams in contention for bowl eligibility Big 12 (Eight bowl slots) 1. Kansas 7 2. Missouri 9 (Big 12 North Champions) 3. Nebraska 8 4. Oklahoma 11 (Assured a share of the Big 12 South Division Championship) 5. Oklahoma State 9 6. Texas 11 (Assured a share of the Big 12 South Division Championship) 7. Texas Tech 11 (Assured a share of the Big 12 South Division Championship) No additional teams in contention for bowl eligibility Conference USA (Six guaranteed bowl slots) 1. East Carolina 8 (C-USA East Champions) 2. Houston 7 3. Memphis 6 4. Rice 9 5. Southern Miss 6 6. Tulsa 10 (C-USA West Champions) No additional teams in contention for bowl eligibility MAC (Up to four bowl slots) 1. Ball State 12 (MAC West Champions) 2. Bowling Green 6 3. Buffalo 7 (MAC East Champions) 4. Central Michigan 8 5. Northern Illinois 6 6. Western Michigan 9 No additional teams in contention for bowl eligibility Mountain West (Four guaranteed bowl slots, one more available because Utah received automatic bid to BCS Bowl) 1. Air Force 8 2. Brigham Young 10 3. Colorado State 6 4. TCU 10 5. Utah 12 (MWC Conference Champion; most likely assured of automatic bid to BCS bowl) No additional teams in contention for bowl eligibility Pac-10 (Seven bowl slots) 1. Arizona 6 2. California 7 3. Oregon 9 4. Oregon State 8 5. Southern California 10 (Clinched at least a share of the Pac-10 championship) Remaining team in contention for bowl eligibility: Arizona State 5 (must beat Arizona on December 6) SEC (Nine bowl slots) 1. Alabama 12 (SEC West Champions) 2. Florida 11 (SEC East Champions) 3. Georgia 9 4. Kentucky 6 5. LSU 7 6. Mississippi 8 7. South Carolina 7 8. Vanderbilt 6 No additional teams in contention for bowl eligibility Sun Belt (One guaranteed slot, two more available in the Papajohns.com & Independence Bowls because the SEC can't fulfill all of its contracted bowl berths) 1. Arkansas State 6 2. Florida Atlantic 6 3. Troy 7 (Clinched Share of Conference Championship) Remaining team in contention for bowl eligibility: winner of Louisiana-Lafayette 5 - Middle Tennessee 5 game on December 3 WAC (Three guaranteed bowl slots; one more available in the Poinsettia Bowl because the Pac-10 cannot fill all of its contracted bowl berths) 1. Boise State 12 (WAC Conference Champion; clinched at least a berth in the Humanitarian Bowl) 2. Fresno State 7 3. Hawaii 7 4. Louisiana Tech 7 5. Nevada 7 6. San Jose State 6 No additional teams in contention for bowl eligibility Independents 1. Navy 7 (2008 EagleBank Bowl) 2. Notre Dame 6 (Participates in Big East pool of bowl games when not invited to a BCS bowl game) No additional teams in contention for bowl eligibility "

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11/30/2008 10:58:41 AM

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"i'll go apeshit if Clemson gets into a bowl and we don't only because they scheduled two D-1AA teams."

they also beat the shit out of us

11/30/2008 11:39:42 AM

Didn't GT and FSU also play 2 fcs teams? is the acc getting pussified?

11/30/2008 11:46:32 AM

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"UNC was 4-4 in the ACC."

Yeah and won all 4 non-conference games and will get chosen in a bowl over us because they played a lame schedule.

Why is SOS not a factor at all anymore? Needs to be more like basketball, we played the toughest schedule of any of the ACC bowl eligible teams.

11/30/2008 11:46:44 AM

one of the main guys at packpride says it is either an at-large bid for us or staying home

11/30/2008 11:47:08 AM

we're not getting left out of a bowl

11/30/2008 11:56:47 AM

I hope we go to the gator bowl!~

11/30/2008 12:05:55 PM

Blah so it's wait and see mode.

11/30/2008 12:09:47 PM

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"Yeah and won all 4 non-conference games and will get chosen in a bowl over us because they played a lame schedule."

UNC had the 9th most difficult SOS.

Strike two.

11/30/2008 12:41:59 PM

wouldn't bother me if unc gets in a better bowl than us (as they probably will)

41-10

11/30/2008 12:47:30 PM

^^Stop trolling.

Your NON-CONFERENCE games were pathetic.

ND's ranking/stats/win-loss is slanted because they play possibly the easiest schedule in the land.

11/30/2008 12:51:24 PM

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"UNC had the 9th most difficult SOS in the ACC."

Fixed it for you.

11/30/2008 12:57:52 PM

Notre Dame had a SOS of 36. Hardly the easiest.

Look, State whipped us last weekend but the season isn't based on one game. UNC finished 8-4 against the 9th most difficult schedule nationally while State finished 6-6 with an SOS of 3. UNC is 23rd in the Sagarin while State is 45th. Like it or not, UNC should and will go to a better bowl.

11/30/2008 1:17:17 PM

UNC had a pretty similar overall schedule to us as the rankings show. They absolutely deserve to go to a better bowl based on their entire body of work this year.

Yes, we are the better team RIGHT NOW, but it's a long season and bowl games should pick according to the entire season.

That said, we deserve to go over Clemson. No ifs, ands or buts about it...

11/30/2008 1:21:08 PM

I wish they'd let us play UNC again to decide who deserves the better bowl.

11/30/2008 1:31:10 PM

^^ bowls have never been chosen over the course of the entire season, it's always been what have you done for me lately? Had UNC lost to Duke I would say we deserve a better bowl.

UNC deserves a better bowl for the entire season, i'll enjoy watching them get throttled personally.

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11/30/2008 1:35:06 PM

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"Notre Dame had a SOS of 36. Hardly the easiest."

source? It's funny because I watched the USC-Notre Dame game replayed last night and the announcers were talking about how ND's schedule was easy and was the 100 something toughest in the nation and that even though they made 6 wins and probably a bowl they are no better than last year's 3-whatever team that had a tougher schedule

11/30/2008 1:50:42 PM

http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/polls/120/index2

that page says ND has the 71st hardest... I have a hard time believing your 36th hardest

11/30/2008 1:54:58 PM

damn, this truly is some NC State shit.

I'm tired of thinking about the possibilities - when will we know the answer?

11/30/2008 1:56:09 PM

^^ http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt08.htm

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11/30/2008 1:57:02 PM

next sunday. 4 pm espn.

after the championship games are played

11/30/2008 1:57:16 PM

^^has ND at 57

11/30/2008 1:58:44 PM

No, it doesn't.

11/30/2008 1:59:13 PM

no he's right it's 36..

everyone needs to stop getting their panties in a wad about UNC, they have talent and are a good team and granted they had an easier schedule... I hope both teams get better, then our game may actually mean something.

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11/30/2008 2:01:45 PM