From what I can tell the Touchstone charger will be sold separately.

3/15/2009 3:27:13 PM

yea its listed as an accessory on palms site

3/15/2009 6:47:41 PM

Palm opened up the developer site yesterday ... you can apply for early access to the Palm Mojo Software Development Kit by signing up.

http://developer.palm.com/

4/2/2009 11:33:52 AM

o fuck i just watched this video

Quote :

"New video demo of the Palm Pre ... still awesome. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai6OM8ikeo0"

and i'm in love

4/2/2009 11:45:38 AM

The Palm Pre is pretty slick.

I hope they can work out their legal issues though.

It's also expected to cost MORE than an iPhone too.

[Edited on April 2, 2009 at 11:59 AM. Reason : ]

4/2/2009 11:59:43 AM

The price of iPhone is just marked up to make you THINK you have something so special, as with ALL Apple products. They make good shit, but its not worth the monies.

4/2/2009 12:01:44 PM

Are you not familiar with the cost of HTC's phones? Why don't you attack them as being evil? And if the Pre is more, will you attack Palm for being evil?

You also don't seem to understand how the R&D cycle works. Do you realize Apple bought out PA-Semi recently, whose technology is going to be used to make the iPhone smaller and more energy efficient?

ANY product you buy is more than the sum of its parts. There is a LOT more that goes in to engineering any phone than you seem to realize.

4/2/2009 12:06:35 PM

legal issues here:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/28/apple-vs-palm-the-in-depth-analysis/

fuck :-/

4/2/2009 12:12:40 PM

New video released today ... tell me you don't want this phone and I'll tell you that you're lying.

It shows use of Fandango, Pandora, Contacts, Texting ... basically, multitasking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waS1jKCrm5I

http://i.gizmodo.com/5195343/new-palm-pre-promo-vid-shows-fandango-pandora-apps-multitasking-galore

[Edited on April 2, 2009 at 12:17 PM. Reason : .]

4/2/2009 12:14:53 PM

nice, nice - not great, but it's an ok vid
the coolest part was just the SMS to gtalk and the online notification
everything else was just "duh"

and no, i don't want my credit card info in my phone lol

[Edited on April 2, 2009 at 12:28 PM. Reason : .]

4/2/2009 12:28:25 PM

I have high hopes for the Pre if it gets released.

There will FINALLY be some competition for the iPhone.

4/2/2009 12:29:53 PM

Quote :

"Are you not familiar with the cost of HTC's phones? Why don't you attack them as being evil? And if the Pre is more, will you attack Palm for being evil? You also don't seem to understand how the R&D cycle works. Do you realize Apple bought out PA-Semi recently, whose technology is going to be used to make the iPhone smaller and more energy efficient? ANY product you buy is more than the sum of its parts. There is a LOT more that goes in to engineering any phone than you seem to realize."

Haha, Jobs has done his job.

4/2/2009 1:17:57 PM

Yeah, and a Windows Mobile tech support employee is a credible source for objective information.

4/2/2009 3:20:36 PM

seedless, you are such a fucking moron that it's incomprehensible.

This sums up everything:

Quote :

"ANY product you buy is more than the sum of its parts. There is a LOT more that goes in to engineering any phone than you seem to realize."

You know dick-all about what you're attempting to talk about. GTFO of here.

4/2/2009 3:56:34 PM

I guess he told me! I never have thought about engineering a phone, or how much its worth after its built HAHAHA!

4/2/2009 3:58:28 PM

Obviously.


Now leave.

4/2/2009 4:47:49 PM

^seedless is just trolling. Don't take it seriously. He makes jabs at jobs, the iphone, at&t in every thread.

4/2/2009 5:14:10 PM

^ At least his employer is getting their money's worth out of him.

4/2/2009 5:31:21 PM

i disagree with someone so instead of having to think about what they said, I will just label them a troll

4/2/2009 7:14:31 PM

^where were you when i used M$ instead of Microsoft

4/2/2009 8:00:54 PM

here's another fair look at what Pre holds over the iPhone
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/04/04/new_palm_pre_apps_underscore_apples_iphone_limitations.html

4/4/2009 10:46:02 AM

Pre forum http://howardforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=481

4/11/2009 10:39:37 PM

Mid may release is the new rumor

4/14/2009 7:59:57 PM

I am still rocking the old bare bones phone, with a stand alone Palm Lifedrive.

4/15/2009 12:16:15 AM

Palm's Pre: Dead on Arrival?
http://www.fool.com/investing/high-growth/2009/04/14/palms-pre-dead-on-arrival.aspx
via http://www.uberphones.com/2009/04/is_the_palm_pre_overhyped/

Quote :

"It’s really an open secret that Palm is more or less banking its future on that of webOS and the Palm Pre, and it judging by the initial response to the Pre, it looks like the company might just be able to pull it off. A recent survey by ChangeWave Research might put a damper on Palm’s hopes of survival though, as it reports that prospective smartphone buyers are looking to devices from RIM or Apple first, with only 4% of the adults surveyed showing interest in purchasing a Palm Pre, while the BlackBerry and iPhone polled 37% and 30% respectively. To make matters worse, since the Pre will be a Sprint exclusive, the response that only 1% of the respondents would be willing to switch carriers doesn’t sound very encouraging. Hopefully ChangeWave Research didn’t pick the proper group of people to survey or something, but in the end, only time will tell whether the Palm Pre lives up to its hype."

4/16/2009 8:30:20 PM

i'm not sure that's really fair, seeing as how the Pre doesn't even have an official release date. Palm can't gin-up the same kind of hype that Apple can, so most people aren't even aware of the phone. Most people will hear about it after it's released and gets (presumably) good reviews and some people actually jump on board. I've talked to several bonafide major geeks who haven't even heard of it yet

4/16/2009 8:41:04 PM

Still May 17 talk

4/21/2009 11:51:07 AM

^^ Yeah, that's true. There hasn't been the level of interest in the Pre because most people dont even pay attention to tech until they SEE it. The Pre has had no real major market advertising exposure aside from those new Sprint commercials.

4/21/2009 11:53:13 AM

ill likely buy it when it comes out

4/21/2009 4:53:51 PM

i'll probably pay and test it for 30 days first on a new account

if i like it, i'll plan to buy it after a couple of months

4/21/2009 6:54:49 PM

so tired of waiting

4/28/2009 8:51:34 PM

wait just got extended from may 7th to june 7th.

wait on.

4/28/2009 11:05:41 PM

Quote :

"I bet the iPhone's SDK is better."

I'm not so sure about that. The iPhone is programmed in Objective C, which is a fairly obscure language. It'll be familiar to Mac OS X developers, though.

The Pre apps are developed in HTML/CSS/Javascript, which will open it up to many more developers. However, HTML/CSS/Javascript developers are typically of a lower level of expertise than "real" C programmers, which means that there may be a lot more low quality apps....

Either way, I'm really looking forward to it. My Sprint plan is $25/month, with 1000 minutes and unlimited internet/everything... which is why I could never pony up for the $90/month AT&T iPhone plan.

4/30/2009 12:52:55 AM

Quote :

"The iPhone is programmed in Objective C, which is a fairly obscure language."

as evidenced by the 20,000+ applications written in just over a year?

and for the Pre, yeah, i bet you can expect 1) more low quality apps and 2) likely less powerful and more limited SDK as constrained by JS

4/30/2009 1:00:27 AM

I never said there weren't a lot of apps. But compared with C/C++, Java, and HTML, not many people know Objective C. Fortunately it's not hard for C++ or Java developers to learn obj c.

The Pre kit will open app development up to a lot more developers... but it's hard to say whether that's a good thing or not

4/30/2009 1:40:54 AM

Not knowing a language isn't that much of a barrier for a good programmer.

4/30/2009 9:56:28 AM

at this rate - they are going to compete with the iphone 3.0 release date

4/30/2009 10:23:08 AM

Do they have any 3D support? Android has OpenGL ES and Apple has whatever it is they do the same thing with. I imagine the games will be teh suck if they don't have any good graphics libraries. I loved my Treo emulators though

4/30/2009 6:50:31 PM

Honestly, I couldn't care less about games on a phone. If the phone can do everything else right it's a winner for me.

5/1/2009 5:10:35 PM

Quote :

"If the phone can do everything else right it's a winner for me."

5/1/2009 5:14:43 PM

Quote :

"as evidenced by the 20,000+ applications written in just over a year? and for the Pre, yeah, i bet you can expect 1) more low quality apps and 2) likely less powerful and more limited SDK as constrained by JS"

How many iPhone apps have you written? App quality on the iPhone is horrendously bad, because your average developer has VERY little knowledge of proper C architecture. It's a bitch to maintain, it's a bitch to test, and the cost to move from Cocoa to custom (OpenGL ES) UI is insanely high.

Both of your points are completely wrong. A web-based SDK enables much cleaner, faster, and more efficient development. It lets designers get involved earlier in the process and work closer to the code. It's easier to maintain and improve over time. And while the absolute capability limits of the iPhone may be higher, the median bar for capability is much higher for the Pre (in SDK terms).

Quote :

"Do they have any 3D support? Android has OpenGL ES and Apple has whatever it is they do the same thing with. I imagine the games will be teh suck if they don't have any good graphics libraries. I loved my Treo emulators though"

This is the big question mark, from what I've read. Palm has yet to say whether, or how, they will bridge from rendered markup to hardware accelerated visuals. The phone definitely SUPPORTS it, but it's going to be interesting how they bridge the gap.

5/1/2009 5:47:14 PM

Quote :

"Honestly, I couldn't care less about games on a phone. If the phone can do everything else right it's a winner for me."

I care as a developer because graphics and flashy things sell people. IE if you are showing your manager this new bad as RPC framework your wrote from the ground up that's lightening fast but looks like shit they have no idea you just spent a week outside of work writing it. However, if you show them a Flex app that does a screen wipe transition written in 30 seconds plugging into the same backend plumbing they go, "OMFG THAT IS NEAT."

5/5/2009 8:43:03 AM

im not sure where people are getting the idea that the iphone SDK is anything but fucking easy as pie!
my buddy has released 2 apps in a matter of a couple months..he didnt even have an iphone until last week. If you have the sdk...and you have a brain....making apps for the iphone is easier than any other programming ive ever seen.

ALSO..apple may have REALLY helped themselves with this whole app store and allowing everyone to develop for the iphone! now there are thousands of new or existing developers that are proficient with cocoa (albeit touch)...but any super succesfull applications will be able to be made into full fledged osx apps. This might be the change to software support that apple has been persuing their whole life.


BOTTOM LINE>.the pre has NO app store, and without that..theres really no way it can compare to an iphone. no point in arguing this (if you dont use the app store....you're missing out on the only reason you have an iphone)

[Edited on May 5, 2009 at 9:42 AM. Reason : ..asdf332]

5/5/2009 9:40:56 AM

http://247wallst.com/2009/04/15/twelve-major-brands-that-will-disappear/

Too bad Palm could be out of business before the end of the year.

5/5/2009 11:41:01 PM

Speculation is overrated ... save it for after the launch.

5/5/2009 11:57:31 PM

Yeah, ever since they've announced the pre, they've said it will make or break Palm as a company. If the pre fails, then no doubt palm will be right behind, but it could turn out to be what saves the company.

5/6/2009 12:13:40 AM

if the fucker ever launches....

5/7/2009 4:17:31 PM

^mid june they are saying

5/10/2009 11:57:12 AM

i plan to pick up one of these when they come out. should definitely be a cut above my current instinct. what i really wish is that the bb storm was coming to sprint. with the new instinct s30, sprint/samsung have opened up the software to encourage developing, tweaking, hacking, etc. hopefully that attitude will transfer over to the pre.

Quote :

"To make matters worse, since the Pre will be a Sprint exclusive, the response that only 1% of the respondents would be willing to switch carriers doesn’t sound very encouraging."

i doubt this considers the $50 incentive sprint is offering for customers coming from other carriers.

5/14/2009 12:29:58 AM

i'd be willing to buy one, but i wouldn't switch carriers to do it.

ivan, you really don't want a storm, their software SUCKS like hoover.

5/14/2009 1:46:29 AM