^I agree, great snack

2/13/2009 12:58:33 PM

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"Organic Food is a scam"

LOL.... people still think that? Or are you trolling?

2/13/2009 12:59:04 PM

^ It depends. If it's organic from farmer's market or your own farm or a CSA, then it's not a scam. But some of the companies that use the word "organic" are actually funded and run by larger corporations like Exxon, Texas Instruments, Starbucks, etc.

2/13/2009 1:04:35 PM

why would the company matter if the food is grown "organically"

2/13/2009 1:13:45 PM

^^
I think he meant all organic food is a scam.

^
Because if the few huge companies that are responsible for most of the damaging conventional(non-organic) farming methods all devote just a tiny bit of their resources to satisfy consumer demand for organic food, then the many small farms get crowded out from the market, and never have a chance to become large companies, and nothing changes. If the current companies were really being organic for the right reasons, they would discontinue their damaging conventional methods. So nothing of substance changes -- it's like giving the organic movement "lip service".

2/13/2009 1:24:37 PM

sandwiches are really cheap and pretty healthy, as long as you aren't slathering with mayo or putting on 2-3 layers of cheese.

Buying those big ass bags of frozen chicken breasts is pretty cheap per pound. Also fresh chicken breasts go on sale a lot, and even if they aren't on sale you're probably getting better value there when you think about how much chicken you actually get from nuggets, fried chicken sandwiches, etc.

Cooking a big pot of marinara sauce (with variations including meatballs, sausage, etc.) is cheap in the long run because you can eat on it for a really long time, and pasta is damn cheap.

Making a big pot of any kind of food really can be very cheap. Look at pot roasts, chili, stews, etc. Just look at what kind of meat is on sale, what kind of vegetables are on sale and you can make a big batch of something for cheap if you calculate it per serving/meal.

Oh, and any kind of soup involving lentils is cheap and extremely healthy. I like to add in some kind of sausage (smoked, andoui, etc.).

[Edited on February 13, 2009 at 2:23 PM. Reason : lentils]

2/13/2009 2:22:15 PM

yeah, and about organic foods, if its local that's great, but like the above post says you really have to know where it comes from. I think most of the organic shit you get from Whole Foods is actually imported from China, and I don't feel too good about eating "fresh" things important from halfway across the world.

Just remember, Whole Foods is a business just like any other and they are going to get the best deals they can from distributors. People think that if the word "organic" is there then its fresher and better for you, but not always the case.

2/13/2009 2:26:39 PM

the term organic means very very little to me in my process on selecting food

local fresh > *

2/13/2009 2:29:17 PM

eating organic food is a good way to get worms



people that are all about organic food should probably not go to doctors either

[Edited on February 13, 2009 at 2:34 PM. Reason : asdf]

2/13/2009 2:31:37 PM

^pardon my ignorance, but then how to people growing their own food in their backyard or on their farms deal with the problem? I mean, are there wormers for humans like there are for our horses, cats, dogs?

2/13/2009 2:41:24 PM

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"eating organic food is a good way to get worms"

I doubt any increase in risk is significant. (are there scientific studies?) Plus, some parasites are beneficial.
Regardless, some would rather take risks from nature's (or god's) design over risks from chemicals, GMOs, etc.

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"people that are all about organic food should probably not go to doctors either"

Why?
Also, what does "all about organic food" mean? (Just exactly what set of people are you generalizing here?)

[Edited on February 13, 2009 at 2:44 PM. Reason : ]

2/13/2009 2:44:19 PM

^^well we always used pesticides

but i was, more or less, referring to meat instead of vegetables


but yeah....human dewormers are basically the same as animal dewormers (ivomectrin)


^because chemicals are used to kill the bad things in plants and animals just like they are used to kill the bad things in people...

[Edited on February 13, 2009 at 2:50 PM. Reason : sdf]

2/13/2009 2:47:36 PM

^
I think you've missed the point of wanting to avoid the chemicals....

2/13/2009 2:57:37 PM

i think you missed the point that chemicals are used on plants and animals just like they are used in people...

so if you don't want chemicals in your body then you should avoid the doctor as well


i know what she was asking...i was telling her that i don't know how organic farmers avoid parasite contamination without chemicals....but your average backyard gardener and farmer uses chemicals

[Edited on February 13, 2009 at 3:00 PM. Reason : asdfds]

2/13/2009 3:00:10 PM

yay chemicals!

2/13/2009 3:02:43 PM

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"i know what she was asking"

I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about your comments in regard to organic food.

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"i think you missed the point that chemicals are used on plants and animals just like they are used in people..."

Jesus fucking carlface, I don't even know where to begin.
Herbicides, pesticides and fertilizers used on plants are not used on people. I know you're not saying that.
So just what point are you trying to make? Do you not understand what chemicals the organic movement takes issue with?... or why?... because it's not all chemicals, and certainly not all uses of chemicals.... and there isn't some beast called "chemicals". They are all very different. You're making blanket statements about chemicals -- not wise.

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"so if you don't want chemicals in your body then you should avoid the doctor as well"

Please tell me this a bad joke or a weak attempt at trolling. Do you not get it at all? Who educated you about the organic movement?... DuPont? Dow? No, even they wouldn't fail this hard.
I mean, wow. Did you come up with this on your own?... or did you get it from some web site?

Consuming chemicals in the form of medicine is in no way analogous to the large-scale applying of chemicals in the form of pesticides, fungicides, herbicides, and fertilizers to farmland.

[Edited on February 13, 2009 at 3:20 PM. Reason : ]

2/13/2009 3:15:17 PM

i think i just got called out unintentionally

2/13/2009 3:18:02 PM

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"or did you get it from some web site?"

i read it all in The Lounge

2/13/2009 3:18:20 PM

^^
I wasn't posting in response to you, if that's what you mean....

^
So, in other words, you're joking. Ok. For a minute there I thought you were serious...

[Edited on February 13, 2009 at 3:19 PM. Reason : ]

2/13/2009 3:18:48 PM

nah i work for a company you mentioned

2/13/2009 3:19:11 PM

lol...

2/13/2009 3:20:06 PM

buy in bulk and make lunch everday...or make a big dinner for 3 and eat leftovers for the rest of the week during lunchtime at work.

2/13/2009 3:35:09 PM

Organic stuff is usually too expensive. You pay more for less, especially at stores like Earth Fare and Whole Foods. I've been eating pesticide-laden food for 28 years and I'm fine.

Cheap, healthy protein sources are on sale quite a lot, such as pork tenderloins, chicken breasteses, ground turkey, and tilapia. I personally don't eat much red meat. Sometimes canned tuna goes on sale for 67 cents/6oz can. Eggs have protein and cost barely 20 cents apiece. Beans have protein, albeit incomplete protein, except for soybeans. Oatmeal has protein that's almost as complete as soy protein, and is very cheap in the big canisters (not those envelopes of sugary instant crap).

Most fresh fruits and vegetables aren't very expensive, except the exotic ones. You'll feel fuller and consume fewer calories by eating veggies and fruit with your meals. I advise you to limit your consumption of white potatoes, as they have a lot of simple carbs. Eat the skin on apples, pears, sweet potatoes, peaches, etc., it has vitamins and minerals.

Whole-grain foods usually cost more than their refined counterparts, but they provide complex carbs, which burn slower and keep your blood sugar from spiking and crashing, so you actually end up eating less because your hunger is more under control. Whole grains also help lower your cholesterol and provide fiber for healthy, regular bowel movements. For super-cheap, super-healthy whole grains, eat oatmeal. Whole-grain bread can be found on 2-for-1 specials often. Make sure whole wheat flour is the first ingredient.

I figure you can eat cheap and healthy for maybe $125-150 a month. Eat two $5 fast-food meals a day and you're spending $300 a month.

2/13/2009 4:35:27 PM

soup. there's always coupons for them, and they're always on sale, too.

2/13/2009 4:38:12 PM

yo Jumex juice is on sale 2.99 for like 12 cans.

I'm Big Business and i approved this message.

2/13/2009 4:39:01 PM

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"Organic stuff is usually too expensive."

Usually? Yes. Always. No.
Believe it or not, some have reported finding certain items actually being less expensive at whole foods or earth fare... perhaps local items?... I'm not sure.
But yes, in general, organic foods are not "how to eat healthy for cheap"

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"I've been eating pesticide-laden food for 28 years and I'm fine."

lol... No you haven't. They wash at least most of the pesticides off -- so even if you forget to wash your fresh veggies, you're probably still mostly ok. Mostly. Also, some effects from certain chemicals, (perhaps including agricultural ones,) don't actually affect you, they affect your kids, and their kids...

2/13/2009 5:02:17 PM

people will get worked up on anything

3/31/2009 5:28:06 AM