He has more than a handful of posts with him posting pics of chicks and other creepyish things. I can imagine he wouldn't want a superior to see that.

2/17/2009 10:35:35 AM

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"lol thought police"

Private entities "thought policing" their private property: fine.
Public laws forcing the "thought policing" of all private property: not fine.

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"if i had my way, every single one of you would have to have your government names right under your screen name... that would put an end to most of this douchebaggery real quick"

lol... Scary.
I really hope our nanny-state government never goes down that path...
Haven't there already been bills written that would basically ban internet anonymity?

2/17/2009 11:25:44 AM

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"these traits were not limited to hooksaw. most of us have acted like an asshole at some point on TWW. this should worry all of you and it sets a precedent."

No, they are not limited, but the degree which he took these traits to were almost exclusively limited to him. People get snappy, say stupid things all the time, but it's usually not ALL the time, it's periodic, hooksaw was very consistent in his mannerisms, even when people tried to calm situations down and reason with him.

2/17/2009 11:39:17 AM

unless you can mind control, thought policing is impossible and/or a waste of time to attempt

and as far thinking you can hide on the internet...

2/17/2009 11:40:02 AM

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"and as far thinking you can hide on the internet..."

I'm pretty sure at least one of the bills would've even banned pseudo-anonymity, even including sites like this one.
( )

But yeah, internet anonymity is just like internet security -- it's all relative...

But the issue is interesting. Shouldn't people be allowed to at least attempt to achieve anonymity as best they can?
Isn't anonymity a right? I mean, by itself, who or what does it hurt?... accountability?
Certainly our individuals rights aren't negated when accountability is impossible... (or practically impossible)

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"He has more than a handful of posts with him posting pics of chicks and other creepyish things. I can imagine he wouldn't want a superior to see that."

lol... Shouldn't people like hooksaw be able to post photos of "chicks and other creepyish things" without their superiors ever knowing about it? (Assuming they're smart enough to be anonymous when doing so in the first place...)

2/17/2009 11:57:15 AM

STOP THINKING THOSE IMPURE THOUGHTS MARKO

I WON'T WARN YOU AGAIN

2/17/2009 11:58:02 AM

oh wow drama!

That is kind of unfortunate in some ways. It speaks to me about what kind of agenda people post on these boards with. You're probably not going to get such a rep on here unless you had some axe to grind. There are several kind of creepy things surrounding this from what I've read of this thread.

I really do find this unfortunate. It has punished real people for being stupid on the intarweb - something that we should all have the right to do. And it adds fire to the idea that a vendetta can be served by threats on a message board. These are not events that you should see in a mature adult society.

Curse the institutions that punish teachers for being a douchebag or posting nudie pics of themselves on the internets. Fuck the minority of aggressors who are not grown up enough to live in a free society.

[Edited on February 17, 2009 at 1:05 PM. Reason : ]

2/17/2009 1:03:27 PM

first of all:

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"i'm not certain, but i also suspect that to threaten their life is probably illegal."

Threatening someone's life on the internet is indeed a crime. I know someone (not very well, but know him nonetheless) that was arrested for sending a message to his ex-gf's boyfriend on Facebook saying he was going to hit him. He was arrested, and on the fucking 6 o'clock news. So don't think for a second that threats on the internet, TWW, etc aren't "real".

Moving on, I've been in contact with hooksaw occasionally and I definitely believe that threats were made against him. Whether or not he was at fault for revealing too much about his personal life on TWW is not the issue. Nobody on TWW should resort to such tactics when all we're doing on here is arguing our beliefs and trying to increase the size of our e-p33ns

And props to joe_schmoe for making this thread.

[Edited on February 17, 2009 at 1:51 PM. Reason : ok]

2/17/2009 1:50:09 PM

So this is why things around here have improved recently.

2/17/2009 6:06:47 PM

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"Nobody on TWW should resort to such tactics when all we're doing on here is arguing our beliefs and trying to increase the size of our e-p33ns"

Ah, masculinity. What a terrible idea.

2/17/2009 6:30:12 PM

its not an easy task to defend hooksaw. Yes, everyone knows him from TSB, and he's kind of like our inside joke, but when he started regularly taking his unconstrained rage to Chit Chat, the amount of people he offended just skyrocketed.

Like this instance here, you can literally see him frothing at the mouth, screaming at people even when he clearly didnt know what he was talking about : /message_topic.aspx?topic=55495 ... he obviously confused the difference between the concept of "unity account" and "webmail", but rather than just admit he made a mistake he screams at and berates everyone else for pointing out his error.

So on the one hand, it's easy to see how he increased the number of people who were completely turned off by his temper tantrums and wanted to get him out of their forum.

But on the other hand, there's no excuse for this sort of response a few days later from Tiberius, to what really was just hooksaw being his pedantic grammar-nazi self.

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"Tiberius let's start a TWW fund to have hooksaw murdered I bet we can get a crackhead to do it for like $200 --http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=555607"

its easy for some of you to shrug and say "he had it coming", but to take it to this level -- or to even threaten his job security -- is just beyond wrong.

when does it becomes okay to threaten violence or financial damage against someone because you dont like them... i mean, if that's now okay, where can any of us go?

Will someone who dislikes me come out and threaten to stalk me and harm my family because I was an asshole to them online?

Will someone decide to rape your daughter or wife or mother because you inflicted butthurt on the internets?

are these sort of threats okay, if they're presented like a joke? how do you know when it ceases to be a joke?





[Edited on February 17, 2009 at 6:59 PM. Reason : ]

2/17/2009 6:54:04 PM

lol

YOU CAN SAY ANYTHING ON THE INTERNET UNTIL YOU PUT A DOLLAR FIGURE ON IT

seriously, some of you people treat this place like your safety zone where you can come and say whatever you want

tww is not narnia

when you log out, it is still the real world

the sooner people realize this, the better off we'll all be

whats great is that this is literally the kind of stuff i want to look at when i do my phd work

so thanks for the ideas fellas

2/17/2009 7:24:02 PM

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"or to even threaten his job security"

whats funny is that THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM

any one of his coworkers/staff advisors could log on at any time and see what he's saying here

but nooooooo lets not think about that
lets hide behind a user name and the hope that the people who know who we are won't ever tell anyone

what threatens his job security more, the way he posts or his posts winding up in front of his faculty supervisor?

2/17/2009 7:26:05 PM

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"and Woodfoot using said information to threaten hooksaw's academic career with the CHASS administration at NCSU. "

found those threats yet

2/17/2009 7:27:33 PM

^, ^^, ^^^ Try using the edit button, dipshit. And just because this is a public forum doesn't make it ok to be a douche bag to the guy in real life. And maybe you didn't do so, but you threatened to which is a dick move in my book.

Hey, remember when hooksaw freaked the fuck out because moron posted that he imagined hooksaw looked like that crazy right-wing church murderer in tennessee? Hooksaw demanded a public apology for 'impugning his honor', or some shit like that? The guy did seem to take a lot of things personally.




ahhh, good times...

[Edited on February 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM. Reason : 2]

2/17/2009 7:28:16 PM

fuck an edit post button

2/17/2009 7:35:15 PM

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"And maybe you didn't do so, but you threatened to which is a dick move in my book."

you want to show me where

cause nobody else has been able to

2/17/2009 7:36:05 PM

To quote you from this thread:

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"i said in one thread i was tempted to do a google search to find out more and send shit to his advisor"

Knowing hooksaw's paranoia, this probably sent him over the edge and running for the hills.

Did you do anything illegal or against the board rules? Well, no. But you indirectly threatened the guy, which is a cocksucking move. It's no surprise, considering that you've been a cocksucker before when somebody posted a lot of nonsense that you disagreed with.

2/17/2009 7:40:30 PM

i really would love for someone to find my "threat"

because i'm pretty sure it was cached in a post basically telling him why he needed to stop posting like he did

what you people consider a "threat" was probably intended as "helpful advice from one educational professional to another"

but then again i don't even put in the effort to use the edit post button

2/17/2009 7:50:58 PM

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"honestly, if you and i ever worked at the same college, i would print off your posts, especially those where you belittle current/former students and take them to your faculty supervisor i wonder what the ethical response to a TA calling someone "Old Blue Balls" or "joe_shithead", especially when you then suggest you've taught mr. shithead"

FOUND IT MOTHERFUCKERS

wow
woodfoot is so mean and cruel
guyz run for the pitchforks and cut off his nutsack

thanks for the thread guys, its been fun

2/17/2009 7:55:05 PM

[user]DOUCHEfoot[/user]

[Edited on February 17, 2009 at 8:03 PM. Reason : lol hooksaw AMIRITE]LA!!!!!

[Edited on February 17, 2009 at 8:04 PM. Reason : ALALALALALLALALLALA]

2/17/2009 8:03:16 PM

2/17/2009 8:03:57 PM

it was more a demonstration on how to edit posts, since you clearly have no idea.

2/17/2009 8:04:35 PM

i do know how to use the link tag though

2/17/2009 8:07:41 PM

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"its easy for some of you to shrug and say "he had it coming", but to take it to this level -- or to even threaten his job security -- is just beyond wrong. when does it becomes okay to threaten violence or financial damage against someone because you dont like them... i mean, if that's now okay, where can any of us go? Will someone who dislikes me come out and threaten to stalk me and harm my family because I was an asshole to them online? Will someone decide to rape your daughter or wife or mother because you inflicted butthurt on the internets? are these sort of threats okay, if they're presented like a joke? how do you know when it ceases to be a joke? "

In the context of that thread, and considering Tiberius never came close to starting a fund, that's pretty obviously a joke. And Hooksaw's information has yet to be posted, and i'm not sure it's known to anyone here who has malicious intent (although I don't think it'd be hard to track down either).

I'm starting to question then whole "running off" theory, because i've yet to see any really convincing evidence that he was run off.

I think whoever said on page 2 or so that he just realized how shameful his posts are, if one of his peers ever found out, that it makes him look really bad, among other things.

I'm still not completely convinced that Willy Nilly is NOT hooksaw either.

2/17/2009 8:37:54 PM

kinda ironic Schmoe made this thread. Not sure what it was about but Schmoe got pissed at me and threatened IRL police/legal action b.c i spooked him with some of my trolling one day.

[Edited on February 17, 2009 at 8:44 PM. Reason : l]

2/17/2009 8:44:35 PM

lol

i love how often "free speech" came up in here, how many times i was called a douchebag, and how many people so readily assumed i'd made threats solely because someone said i had

you guys are the model for why politicians are trying to regulate anonymity

2/17/2009 8:55:11 PM

This is what happens when I procrastinate I come to TSB looking for things to read.

I quit reading this thread before the end of page one, but I'm gonna go ahead and address something that's about as relevant as this thread. Which is to say, not at all.

Quote :

"hooksaw never denigrated 'his students'. he wouldnt have known if he had any students here, nor would they have known he was their TA. so, hooksaw most likely never even had any students on here that he actually talked to. And even if he did, hooksaw and 'his students' would never even have known they had any connection outside of TWW if it were not for the above-mentioned stalking and exposure."

Oh, yes, he did.
The semester before I took the class he TAd, I was having lunch with a friend at porter's, and all of a sudden, we hear "IS THAT AMBROSIA1231 and [user name]?" Yelled, numbers and all.

Since he was having lunch with the professor of the class, he introduced the prof. Having wanted to take that class for a while, I said 'OH! I've been trying to get into your class for a while now. Maybe I'll have better luck this semester'. That was when I found out hooksaw was the TA.

I'm not the only TWWer from that one section who was in the class. It's not hard to match unity IDs from the roster to TWW handles that are also one's unity ID. He TA'd one of the most recommended classes, and one that many, many people want to take/wish they got to take. Given how often it was and is recommended on here, yeah, he did have TWWers in his class. More than a few.

It's all irrelevant now, thank god, but he had students on here, some of whom he personally attacked, and he did know it. I'm glad to see him gone, and don't particularly care how it came to be.

Some of his behavior on here was so terrible, though, that it barely mattered that he was/is a TA.

2/17/2009 9:30:18 PM

OWNED

FUCKING OWNED

2/17/2009 9:42:50 PM

I could spend all day reply to stupid shit in this thread

Quote :

"I'm still not completely convinced that Willy Nilly is NOT hooksaw either."

2/17/2009 9:45:46 PM

willy nilly really isn't hooksaw.

I promise.
Not that it's worth much

2/17/2009 9:48:32 PM

so did he use his spot as a TA to influence anyone's grades or acceptance into the class? or was the fact that he recognized people from TWW what bothered you?

2/17/2009 10:23:56 PM

Question 1: I don't know. I have no reason to think he did. As a TA, he's fine.
Question 2: What are you talking about?

My complaints about his behavior are about his behavior on TWW. Being a TA has nothing to do with it. I even said so in my post

I was addressing the notion that somehow, someone thought hooksaw didn't know whether he even know if he had TWWers a students - much less that he would know who they are.

2/17/2009 10:33:28 PM

oh I thought you meant it bothered you that he announced you as your TWW handle...that would probably annoy me. Im just trying to figure out how your post "owned" anyone (according to woodfoot)

2/17/2009 10:36:36 PM

It was definitely annoying to be out with a friend and have one's TWW name shouted loudly in a restaurant on hillsborough st at lunch hour, but that's got nothing to do with the TA side of stuff. If it'd been anyone else, I'd have been equally annoyed.

2/17/2009 10:45:28 PM

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"In the context of that thread, and considering Tiberius never came close to starting a fund, that's pretty obviously a joke."

so why wasn't drunknloaded's post about how "someone should rape Jen" considered a joke.

one could argue that DNL "never came close" to raping or instigating rape, and it was "pretty obviously" one of his typical mongoloid "jokes"

but as you know, DNL got permabanned for that post.

explain the consistency please.

2/17/2009 10:50:58 PM

this thread is lame

2/17/2009 11:06:49 PM

please elaborate

2/17/2009 11:07:48 PM

I'm sure that worrying about political associations is beside the point in CHASS since classical liberal arts are the most objective of all studies and politics would never get in the way of one's professional objectives.

Anyways, good thread joe.

I don't blame hooksaw for retreating into the shadows of the intrawebs, look how void of discussion TSB is w/o him. I glance over the threads but I rarely find much of interest in my lurking.

Back to the shadows for me.

2/17/2009 11:08:01 PM

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"one could argue that DNL "never came close" to raping or instigating rape"

One would be wrong

2/17/2009 11:51:24 PM

so have you guys got any proof of any of the claims you've made so far

or is this just still a bunch of people who don't understand that tww is not narnia

2/18/2009 1:30:00 AM

also, please find me examples where hooksaw and i debated political issues

the only discussion i've ever wanted to have with him is the millennials thread

so this whole "omg the liberals are running us out" thing is another idea that is mindboggling

2/18/2009 1:39:41 AM

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"look how void of discussion TSB is w/o him"

let me let you in on a little secret . . .














nah, you wouldn't get it.

2/18/2009 7:56:30 AM

What kind of tool is a hooksaw?

2/18/2009 8:52:14 AM

the torture device used to pull your testicles out of your body through your urethra

2/18/2009 9:02:54 AM

Quote :

"so why wasn't drunknloaded's post about how "someone should rape Jen" considered a joke. one could argue that DNL "never came close" to raping or instigating rape, and it was "pretty obviously" one of his typical mongoloid "jokes" but as you know, DNL got permabanned for that post. explain the consistency please."

I did not see that thread, and I was unaware that DnL had been permabanned.

2/18/2009 10:31:23 AM

Woodfoot, the only place i know of where you threatened hooksaw is the post you've already admitted to, where you said "if ____ , i would ____ " . Somehow i thought there was something more sinister, but i guess not.

I think hooksaw was overly sensitive to that because someone here in the past actually did try to do that. and he also, at some point afterwards, did lose his TA position for that STS-whatever class. theres no direct evidence that the two are related, but it's possible.

Tiberius, I'm sure was joking when he said that people ought pool their money to hire a crackhead to murder him. on the face of it, it's ludicrous. but, again, someone had in the past had attempted to break into hooksaw's unity account at some point by phishing his emails.

So, I'd probably be worried too. Hooksaw has said he's most worried that he might wind up beating someones ass and wind up in jail.

I dont worry about my own self here at all. But I had a problem here once where a guy made what sounded like a serious threat to hunt down my wife and kid and harm them. I suspected he was full of shit, but I turned around and threatened to call up the FBI and the US Army CID, and his base commander. He backed down real quick, and I never followed through on my threat.

The fact is, people HAVE been the subject of physical attacks from their "internet opponents".

No, I dont think The Internets == Narnia. Yes you are responsible for what you say, because it can and will come back to you. And I think hooksaw bears full responsibility for all the ill will he's generated on TWW in general.

But on the other hand, you should be able to be offensive -- politically or socially -- without having to fear for your physical safety.

to be honest, as much as i like to ridicule him and as retarded as i think some of his positions are, he does add value to this site. even if its only entertainment.







[Edited on February 18, 2009 at 10:56 AM. Reason : ]

2/18/2009 10:42:16 AM

Quote :

"someone had in the past had attempted to break into hooksaw's unity account at some point by phishing his emails"

This makes no sense. How can someone attempt to break into an account by "phishing"?

Did they set up some fake email and ask him to login with his password or something? The guy sucked, but I can't imagine he pushed anyones button here enough that they'd try to pull that off.

2/18/2009 10:44:57 AM

apparently they tried to extract his unity password by sending bogus requests for information, and it was related to TWW. qntmfred had to get involved.

2/18/2009 10:47:19 AM

How do you know all this?

2/18/2009 10:59:05 AM