Only because Islam is the only religion currently in control of so many countries' governments. The only Jewish state is fairly oppressive as well, and christian-run states always are as well. But I see your point - in the here and now, they're the ones oppressing the most people. That's most likely true.

3/3/2009 4:45:03 PM

I will make you a promise.

when christian and jewish organizations start sprouting up across the world declaring holy war on all those who do not believe in their most radical teachings, when they start blowing shit up, killing innocents in violent, public displays and seek to remove the freedoms of all people on a grand, global scale, I will start giving a shit about them.

[Edited on March 3, 2009 at 4:50 PM. Reason : .]

3/3/2009 4:50:06 PM

Oh, it's too late for that. They already finished their 2000 year reign of terror I doubt they'll get a second chance.

However, to prevent it (and to prevent more muslim violence), I'm trying to spread atheism

[Edited on March 3, 2009 at 4:51 PM. Reason : .]

3/3/2009 4:51:38 PM

The IRA hasn't completely gone away. Also, there are some radical Christian groups in Malaysia and other predominately muslim areas doing the same shit. Don't start down that road.

[Edited on March 3, 2009 at 4:52 PM. Reason : *]

3/3/2009 4:51:49 PM

they are also bastards who deserve to be tarred and feathered.

however, christians worldwide do not allow their type of behavior to be tolerated within their churches and communities. that is difference. I am not absolving the rest of the religious world from having nutcases.

3/3/2009 4:57:26 PM

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"Because the Bible doesn't condone violence. Romans 1 1:32. "

If this was in response to my post, I'm not claiming that the bible doesn't condone violence. In fact, I'm agreeing that it does, and saying that all religions that came from Judaism condone and encourage violence.

3/3/2009 5:08:45 PM

i think everyone in the world should do as i do and pray to the Sun God. he requires that you do yoga sun salutations every morning at sunrise, and rely only on solar energy.

the religion also specifies that you have to install solar panels on your house & car and/or run your house & car on renewable batteries that are charged at a solar farm.

prophets of the Sun God foresee that once everything runs on Solar Energy, we will not care about the Suez Canal or the Straits of Hormuz, and and will have no business in that hell hole we call the middle east -- among other things, this will make ultimately negate the clout that Islamic fundamentalists currently have.

the penultimate silk road will be via massive airships over the pacific, powered by batteries charged on solar energy.

behold the era of the Sun!

3/3/2009 5:26:54 PM

Let me summarize this guy's points:

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0042/0042_01.asp

3/3/2009 8:06:09 PM

nothing more annoying than cartoons like that one.

3/3/2009 8:39:53 PM

i found it entertaining--though prolly not in the way they hoped

3/3/2009 8:45:22 PM

what was the website salisburyboy always posted from? seriously check that site and see if this is the new discussion.

3/3/2009 9:15:31 PM

So somebody tell me the origins of the Semitic faiths. This is how I understand it:

People were acting a fool and the elites wanted to reinforce their power so they made up Judaism to get everybody in check. It had practical applications for a well-run society back then.

Later, people wanted some power shifts and some social change so they made up Christianity, using Judaism to jump off.

Later, people wanted some power shifts and some social change so they made up Islam, using Judaism to jump off.

Is that pretty much it?

3/4/2009 5:22:35 AM

Well if you wanted to talk about the origins of this faith why don't you start another thread for that...this is supposed to be more about how Islam plans to take over the world. I am not talking about the moderates who think everything is okay, and Islam is a religion of peace. I am talking about the psychos in the videos.

If your a moderate Muslim, I just want to know, how can you explain the actions of the people in these videos. Where did it come from? Does your religion/Ideology not actually teach this? Why are they breeding terrorists in the middle east? And finally, do you not think they are gonna do it over here if they are given the chance?

3/4/2009 6:27:07 AM

^Dude, they got like lots of poverty and strife and power struggles and shit going on in the Middle East.

I know you're well-meaning. You need to step back and take a look at the big picture.

Everybody jumped on you with the whole "Christianity is just as bad!" bit, but let's forget all that.

Just look at the political and economic climate in that region. It's not very stable. And when you have that kind of instability and chaos, when countries are literally up for grabs, you're gonna see some crazy shit go down with people tryna get out on top, tryna reinforce their power...and they'll use whatever they can to get on top, including anti-American rhetoric and perverted religious stuff.

We've recently seen similar shit go down in a Catholic South America. I'm not up on it, but it wasn't but a few years ago, they were kidnapping kids, giving them guns, and teaching them all sorts of radical stuff. And this was right in our own backyard.

In the past, we've tried to fight this thing with brute force, but we end up just creating more chaos and strife and screwed-upedness...which creates an even more fertile environment for the craziness. We need to add to their stability, not take away from it. That is how we are going to make the world a safer, freer place.

Getting overly passionate and perhaps alienating moderate Muslims with anti-Islam stuff is not the solution.

[Edited on March 4, 2009 at 7:13 AM. Reason : ]

3/4/2009 7:08:00 AM

I agree with you. That is probably the best Idea to find peace. How do we actually help them out without them think we are the enemy? And are we actually willing to help them out.

I am still kind of new to what is going on in the world because up until now I hadn't paid much attention, but I just saw this whole Islam wants to take over the world thing and I am like whoa.

3/4/2009 8:09:28 AM

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"How do we actually help them out without them think we are the enemy? And are we actually willing to help them out."

We managed to do it with the Nazis and the Japanese, both of which were much scarier and had way more "take over the world" potential than Islamic extremists.

Of course, it bears mentioning that we had to bomb the living bejesus out of them first, but the point is, it can be done.

3/4/2009 11:10:59 AM

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"http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0042/0042_01.asp"

More factual info in that than all other chick tracts put together. Of course, the conversion at the end is hilarious. Plus I'd love to see anyone actually walk into a muslim country and start talking moon gods. Hilarious.

3/4/2009 12:00:28 PM

Of course, we aren't at war with Islam or "Muslims". So applying any of the tactics that we used against the Japanese or the Nazis would be absolutely horrible.

Why encourage jignc1684 and his belief that Islam is out to kill the US and take over the world by even comparing them to Nazis?

3/4/2009 12:01:12 PM

It was far easier to help out the Germans, considering a good percentage of Americans were of German descent and lived in America. Also, America did not have to nuke the Germans to get them to surrender. Some speculate that America never would have even considered nuking Germany, because so many American citizens were of German descent and had family living in Germany who were unable to flee during the war.

3/4/2009 1:13:39 PM

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"Plus I'd love to see anyone actually walk into a mosque in a muslim country and start talking moon gods right after prayer with hundreds of muslims watching, and then be able to convert one of them without the infidels even getting a scratch on their bodies, let alone an instant decapitation. Hilarious."

3/4/2009 1:24:40 PM

If Fat Man and Little Boy had been ready for use prior to the tide turning against Germany (the months following D-Day, a full year prior) make no mistake that they would have been used to hasten the end of that theater of war as well.

[Edited on March 4, 2009 at 2:48 PM. Reason : *]

3/4/2009 2:47:44 PM

^

I disagree.

3/4/2009 3:19:14 PM

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"Of course, we aren't at war with Islam or "Muslims". So applying any of the tactics that we used against the Japanese or the Nazis would be absolutely horrible. "

You could make the case that we weren't really so much at war with "Japanese" or "Germans," either. The whole mess was driven by relatively small, fanatical factions within those groups.

And of the Muslims who aren't part of small, fanatical factions, there's still a large number who, as jingc put it, "think we are the enemy." The same was true in Germany and Japan. Even after you get rid of the radicals, you've still got the general population to deal with -- people who don't necessarily want to wage jihad/guerrilla resistance/etc, but who are still hard to help. I fail to see how postwar Germany and Japan can't serve as a model for helping distrustful, even hostile populations.

Where the model breaks down is in demographics: the defeated Axis powers were more-or-less homogeneous, and not broken up into longstanding rival factions out for revenge on each other. That's why our application of the same model didn't work in Iraq. We basically did the same things: force them to write a constitution with some compromises and safeguards against future dictators, support pro-American elements in government, and dump a shit-ton of money on the place.

The will of fanatics can be broken, and animosity can be overcome. We've done it before, and there are lessons we can learn from it as to how. The bad news, unfortunately, is that one of the lessons is that you really have to fuck up their shit first.

3/4/2009 3:25:50 PM

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"I am still kind of new to what is going on in the world because up until now I hadn't paid much attention, but I just saw this whole Islam wants to take over the world thing and I am like whoa. --jignc1684 "

i think you're really a somewhat clever troll.

are you from Salisbury, NC, by chance?

3/4/2009 3:59:56 PM

^ehe

OP is a secret muslim lover

3/4/2009 4:04:55 PM

My first boss at subway was/is a Muslim. He was a complete pervert. He used to talk about these young high school girls when they would come into the store. Saying all kinds of sick stuff. Then he would go and wash himself in the back of the store and pray towards Mecca. And supported Osama Bin Laden right after 9/11. So I was like yeah okay so there are some Muslims in America that support terrorism. But I was just in high school, so I didn't take it seriously.

3/4/2009 7:18:04 PM

jesus christ this thread was over at the first post

alias/troll/goddamnittwwwhyarewepursuingthis

3/4/2009 7:39:54 PM

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"goddamnittwwwhyarewepursuingthis"

for cheap laughs at the expense of others

3/4/2009 7:42:19 PM

I might still be pursuing this because of:



http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/muftihit.html

3/4/2009 8:40:33 PM

So, how long did it take this thread to Hitler?

3/4/2009 10:56:32 PM

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" He was a complete pervert. He used to talk about these young high school girls when they would come into the store. Saying all kinds of sick stuff. "

haha because Americans/Christians don't ever do this?

3/4/2009 11:40:11 PM

sounds like OP's "muslim boss" has a lot in common with Republican Members of Congress.



anyhow, he's either a troll or a retard.

3/4/2009 11:46:10 PM

As if he couldn't manage to be both?

3/5/2009 12:23:25 AM

CALL IT FOLKS

WE GOT A GODWIN AT 8:40:33 ON PAGE 3

THREAD OVER LADIES AND GENTLEMENT

ITS BEEN GODWIN'D

3/5/2009 12:26:01 AM

haha, you can put an end to this thread, but it won't be the last time this needs to be discussed.

3/5/2009 12:20:28 PM

jignc1684:
Would you like to eradicate islam forever?
Did you graduate high school?
What do you think of gay marriage?
Can you recommend me a religion to follow?
Why do you care about this at all?
Why did you bring it to TWW?

3/5/2009 3:09:30 PM

I don't know. I guess this was such a wonderful peaceful place before I came here wasn't it. I don't agree with gay marriage, but I don't believe people have the rights to hang them in the streets for it. I care about it because these people are trying to commit genocide in the name of "a god." At the same time they are trying to deceive everyone by saying that their religion promotes peace. But I have seen nothing but violence from the likes of it. I think it is a complete deception and it takes the likes of the people who refuse to open up their eyes to defend that faith.

An example of what I am talking about is in the Quran the treaty of hudaibiya, where Mohammed made a peace treaty:

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"After the battle of the Trench in 5 A.H. (627 C.E.), the Quraish did not give battle to the murderous band of the first Muslims that surrounded Mohammad at Medina. So Mohammad decided that it was time for him to launch a Jihad against the Quraish. He cleverly disguised his aggression of Mecca as a Hajj (a pre-Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca), that he wanted to perform in the season in the year 6 A.H. (628 C.E.). When he and his band of one thousand followers arrived at Hudaibiya near Mecca after taking an out of the way route, so as to evade being spotted by the Quraish. On seeing Mohammad and his gangsters at the gates of Mecca, the Quraish got the shock of their lives. Mohammad the accursed wanting to storm the holiest of holy sites of the (pre-Muslim) Arabs, on the pretext of Hajj. They sent an emissary (Urwa ibn Masud, who was the son-in law of Abu Sufyan, the leader of the Quraish) to Mohammad, asking him to desist from entering Mecca. This emissary went back and reported to the Quraish that Mohammad and his followers were in a rage and would invade Mecca, if they were not allowed into the town. Urwa reported that they were fanatically committed to Mohammad, such that they do not let the water in which he bathes fall on the ground. They collect that water and venerate it. When he cuts his hair they collect his hair and treasure it (in fact strands of Mohammad alleged hair are worshipped - one instance is the Hazratbal Masjid in Indian Administered Kashmir). The Quraish were despondent when their emissary returned to Mecca with these tidings. Meanwhile Mohammad sent into Mecca for reconnaissance, one of his henchmen named Othman to check the defenses of Mecca. Othman also met the Quraish leaders to negotiate an entry for the Muslims and their gang leader Mohammad into Mecca, but they adopted delaying tactics. When Othman took long to come, a rumor got current in the Muslim camp that Othman had been killed by the Quraish. Thereupon all the Muslims took the pledge that they would fight against the Quraish to seek revenge for the murder of Othman. When the Muslims were poised to take up arms and attack Mecca, Othman returned to the Muslim camp with Suhail ibn Amr, an eminent citizen of Mecca, whom the Quraish sent to negotiate a treaty with the Muslims. This was the Hudna (Temporary Peace Treaty) of Hudaibiya. Here Mohammad’s craftiness comes to the fore. The terms of this treaty included that if any Muslim from the Quraish clan renounced Islam and returned to Mecca, then Mohammad would not hold any grudge against him and not ask for his return, but if anyone from the Quraish embraced Islam and went to Medina, Mohammad would immediately return him to the Quraish at Mecca. Mohammad told Amr and the Quraish, that he bore no malice towards the Quraish and so he had offered this clause. The Quraish were taken for a ride in this clause, as they also believed that because of this clause no Quraish would embrace Islam, but some of Mohammad’s followers would leave Islam and return to Mecca. Actually this clause was a clever ruse of Mohammad, to infiltrate his spies into Mecca, while not allowing any spies from the Quraish to enter Medina. Over the next two years, many of Mohammad’s followers pretended to leave Islam and came and settled in Mecca, thus preparing for the eventual invasion of Mecca that was to take place in 8 A.H. (630 C.E.), when on a frivolous pretext, Mohammad abrogated that treaty and invaded Mecca. The Hudna (Temporary Peace Treaty) of Hudaibiya demonstrates in a very telling way, the evil genius that Mohammad was. And this character of his has been filtered down to the last Muslim, who uses it to cheat and trick non-Muslims in every small thing in day-to-day life in a practice popularly known among the Muslims as Taquiyya (also spelt as Taqiyya or Taqiya) which means deception. Pervez Musharraf the President of Pakistan, referred to this Hudna (Temporary Peace Treaty) of Hudaibiya (and to the double-crossing that exists in it), when he announced after 9/11 that he was making a pact with America to fight the Taliban who then ruled Afghanistan and whose guest was that, horror of all horrors, Osama Bin Laden."

How can you sign a peace treaty with someone and then turn around and stab them in the back. How will that ever make peace with anyone? Seriously. They win their games by deception. Therefore if anyone that supports them and is not one of them (like Britain), they are going to be deceived. That is a fact. You must become one of them or eventually you will die. Maybe not now, it may take some time, but it will happen. And according to them you can use any means necessary to support their cause. This includes lying, cheating, stealing, and killing. I just don't see how this has any connection to the earlier Semitic religions, like they claim that this is the true and final religion. It is in no agreement with the actual soul of Christianity and Judaism. Those two religions can get a long. However, Islam cannot. Therefore, I believe it did not come from God.

What they do is get into your country, in small number at first to gain financial and political support. Then as they grow larger, by using them as their support, they start to destroy the country and bring it under their control bit by bit. The very same way they conducted this peace treaty. Their main goal is to be the most dominate, which is the true reason for every War that has happened since the dawn of man. Democracy and freedom is not the cause as they say it is. So do not believe their lies. And finally, to answer your question I brought this to TWW, because I believe this "religion" is a threat to anyone who does not want to be a Muslim. So if you see no problem with living under Islamic Law then you should be all for it. But as for me, I am against it.

p.s. if you really think Islam is peace you should look at the countries that are 100% Islam

3/5/2009 4:27:11 PM

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" More factual info in that than all other chick tracts put together. Of course, the conversion at the end is hilarious. Plus I'd love to see anyone actually walk into a muslim country and start talking moon gods. Hilarious."

Hah yeah, thought the same thing. The first 1/3rd of it was pretty accurate, but then it turned into some weird Christian comedy.

3/5/2009 5:47:52 PM

Fun Facts: -Germany had been pursuing close relations with the Middle East well before WWI. There were plans for a Baghdad to Berlin railroad.

-Iran did support Hitler in World War II but it was largely because of the threat the USSR posed to them from the North. My enemie's enemy...

-MOON GOD

3/5/2009 7:00:53 PM

The future belongs to Islam

http://andwelcometothejam.ytmnd.com/

3/6/2009 1:06:00 PM

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"I'd suggest you check the history of christianity 1381 years AD (it's been 1381 years since Islam was founded in 627). Just as example, 1391 The Jewish community of Barcelona is decimated and hundreds of thousands of Jews are either massacred or forced into baptism in Aragon and Castille. From then on into the fifteenth century, Jews continue to be forcefully baptized. Although the Church frowned upon this type of mass compulsory conversion, once the person was converted, any deviation from the true faith on the part of the convert constituted "heresy." 1391 Spanish Jews are forced to convert to Catholicism for the sake of "social and sectarian uniformity." August 24, 1391 Jews were massacred in Palma de Mallorca. 1394 - 1423 Pope Benedict XIII is antipope at Avignon. September 16, 1394 Antipope Clement VII died. September 17, 1394 Jews were expelled from France by order of King Charles VI. November 03, 1394 Jews were expelled from France by Charles VI. November 15, 1397 Pope Nicholas V was born. 1399 In England, the death penalty becomes the punishment for heresy and many Lollards, John Wycliffe's lay followers, are converted."

That reads like a testament to separation of church and state. Religion and government should can serve as a system of checks and balances, but they have to remain separate to do so.

Without taking a side in this argument I'd wager that a high enough percentage of Americans and Europeans would fight against any religion "taking over" their government that the real threat of religious fanatics is short term (deaths, destruction, etc.) as opposed to any fundamental shift in any of the major governments of the world. That's not to say that we shouldn't fight tooth and nail against anyone who would use terror to try to impose their will on us, but I think the threat is primarily limited to those directly affected by attacks.

3/6/2009 4:14:39 PM