ie;

SPOILER

VINCENT = JACOB



END SPOILER

11/23/2009 12:55:46 AM

Quote :

"well there are several people that feel as I do."

such as? i guess you're just a noble crusader fighting for those who are too frightened to stand up to my posting of information that reveals no specific details of what will happen in season 6.

Quote :

"nerds like you that read into the personal lives of actors to figure out which way the plot of a show will lean."

i never read into anyone's personal life. i heard about what elizabeth mitchell said in Entertainment Weekly (a major media publication, not heresay from some random schmuck on the street) through the forums at lostpedia, which i will look at from time to time. she herself said her character wasn't going to have as much screen time. the only thing i'm "reading into" is the logical fact that it means something will happen to juliet, which is a completely reasonable assumption that anyone would make. it doesn't ruin anything for anyone. will she die from irreparable damage from falling down the hole, or will she get shot by flaming arrows, or will she somehow recover and make it off the island and cease to be as important to the closure of the series? i don't fuckin know. what would be a spoiler is if i said, "juliet is killed and eaten by a polar bear in the 5th episode of season 6," and ruined that for you. if an actor goes on the record and makes the kind of statement mitchell did, it's not an issue of their personal life. so if you want to call me a nerd for reading lostpedia every now and then for the sake of trying to fully understand every character's development, the significance behind incidents that happen on the island, recurring themes, etc, so i can have a greater appreciation for the show and the hard work put into it, go ahead. it's not like i frequent the site every fucking day hoping to find out if matthew fox took a shit during filming and what that might mean for season 6.

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"If I were to tell you Charlie pace was in every episode of the final season that would bea HUGE spoiler. I don't see how you can't see that."

not really, because we have already seen charlie as a ghost or vision or whatever when hurley was in the nut house. if you were to tell me charlie was in every episode of the final season i think people would dismiss it as hurley's imagination or flashbacks. we already know that dead is dead and you don't come back. plus, the first few minutes of each episode would spoil it for you once you saw "dominic monaghan" in the opening credits anyway. bad example. you really are losing this argument. stick to your guns all you want, but you are the only person who seems to care about this, which clearly means people don't consider what i've posted much of a spoiler, or at least not worthy of the bitchery you are bringing.

Quote :

"although i am neutral on what you posted, the general accepted thing is some variation of: POSSIBLE SPOILER spoilery info spoilery info spoilery info spoilery info spoilery info spoilery info spoilery info spoilery info spoilery info spoilery info spoilery info spoilery info END SPOILER"

understood. of course, i doubt even that will stop mambagrl from reading whatever information is posted since she "accidentally" clicked this thread earlier and proactively scrolled down half a page to read my posts despite the fact that she avoids lost threads, but i will certainly keep it in mind.

11/23/2009 2:43:58 PM

How about you guys make your own thread for this discussion or just PM one another or something

11/23/2009 2:50:10 PM

OMG

THEY PUT HAROLD PERINNEAU'S NAME IN THE OPENING CREDITS IN SEASON 4

THANKS A LOT PRODUCERS OF LOST FOR SPOILING THE IDENTITY OF KEVIN JOHNSON!

11/23/2009 2:55:10 PM

^^^ knowing that an actress or actor who plays a main character isn't going to be in much of the season can be very spoiler-ish. No, we don't know exactly why they aren't there... but we know to not expect much of them. And while that may not seem obvious right now, having that information + something learned in the first few episodes may prove very spoiler-ish. Where as with the info. from the first few episodes alone, it may have just been unknown for the time being.

Some of us like to have the story revealed to us as it goes. Not figure it out because of some tidbit that someone posted about the show that was gleamed from somewhere other than show itself.

Let me really spell this out for you: Let's say lorenzo lamas is in the new lassie series.. And lorenzo plays timmy's dad. He falls down a well and is seriously hurt. Lassie gets him help, but the docs are saying he's in "serious condition" and needs surgery. The surgery is very risky, but if it works he'll be fine. If not, he's dead. dun dun duuunnn.... wait until next week to find out if the surgery is a success. The viewer really doesn't know, and that may drive them to tune in next week.

Now let's say 3 months before I read that Lorenzo said that he's only in the first few episodes... well, now I believe he's going to die.

[Edited on November 23, 2009 at 3:16 PM. Reason : ^]

11/23/2009 3:16:35 PM

People don't stay dead in Lost though.

11/23/2009 4:27:35 PM

wrooooooong

people die and don't come back, end of story. that was the whole point of the finale. everyone who has died is still dead.

I'm AstralAdvent and i approved this message.

11/23/2009 4:39:27 PM

^I'm assuming ^^meant that although a character dies, you may see that character again in a flashback or a smokey rendition of them. Perhaps I read too much into it, but I thought that's what Wraith meant.

11/23/2009 5:02:18 PM

i think the main thing that should be understood is that if you dont want to get any spoilers, you don't go into a show's thread

this is for any show, not just Lost

11/23/2009 5:19:06 PM

11/23/2009 5:22:48 PM

Quote :

"Not figure it out because of some tidbit that someone posted about the show that was gleamed from somewhere other than show itself."

anyone could've read that issue of EW and saw the quote for themselves. elizabeth mitchell put it out there publicly. it wasn't a secret. that's why no one in this thread really cares that much about it and doesn't really consider it a spoiler. i will accept responsibility for not being aware of the

SPOILER

words

/SPOILER

etiquette with the other thing, but i'm glad someone else understands this

Quote :

"i think the main thing that should be understood is that if you dont want to get any spoilers, you don't go into a show's thread this is for any show, not just Lost"

what annoys me is that i remembered seeing mambagrl say she avoids the lost threads because she doesn't want to hear anything about it, spoiler or not apparently, and she came up in here shitting all over me for posting something.

and besides, there are for more important questions that will be answered in season 6

what is the smoke monster?
who exactly is jacob?
who is his enemy?
why did jacob bring everyone to the island?
who were the original inhabitants of the island?
was locke actually special, or was he just a patsy all along like he was his whole life?
how is the smoke monster able to manifest itself as dead people whose bodies have been in contact with the island?
what is richard alpert's deal?
who are the two skeletons from the first season in the cave?
will someone please fucking kill kate?

juliet's fate is nowhere near as important as these and other questions still remaining. don't get pissed off over a minor detail that an actor was quoted as saying when anyone with a shred of common sense can pretty much figure out what's gonna happen to her.


[Edited on November 23, 2009 at 5:59 PM. Reason : .]

11/23/2009 5:47:06 PM

something interesting to note

we just watched the last of season 5, and the scene where Ben was surrounded by the smoke, and he saw his daughter, didnt seem to pop up in any of the episodes of the last half of the season. I doubt they would cut it out - maybe we just missed it somehow.

11/23/2009 7:11:09 PM

Quote :

"anyone could've read that issue of EW and saw the quote for themselves. elizabeth mitchell put it out there publicly. it wasn't a secret. that's why no one in this thread really cares that much about it and doesn't really consider it a spoiler. i will accept responsibility for not being aware of the "

That is something you would have to go out of your way to read. some of us don't do that, for no other reason than we simply don't read EW. So simply because it's "public knowledge" doesn't mean it's "common knowledge", let's not confuse the two.

People don't care THAT much, because it's not a big, concrete spoiler and is just a hint at something that could be. Not because it was in EW, nobody gives a shit about where you got the information.

The best thing to do is to just assume that everyone reading the thread has no info. about Lost other than what has been in the show. Personally, I read entertainment news and other stuff where i pick up some random spoiler info. here and there. Usually unintentionally, and sometimes I just can't stop myself from reading. But I do my best not to bring that into the thread.

Also, just so you know... please don't discuss the trailer for the next episode either. A lot of people here cut it off beforehand simply because the Lost powers that be can't seem to figure out how to edit a preview without giving away the cliffhanger.

If you weren't aware of the spoiler "tags", no big deal. Better to find out now than posting something halfway through the season about Matthew Fox saying that it turns out he's jacob.

Quote :

"i think the main thing that should be understood is that if you dont want to get any spoilers, you don't go into a show's thread this is for any show, not just Lost""

BULLSHIT. I've been reading and posting in the Lost threads for years (and other shows). Most of us are polite enough to use "Spoiler" tags when discussing anything that may be spoiler-ish.

Yes, the only way you can 100% guarantee that you don't see spoilers is to not open the thread. But don't be a dick. People should be able to come in here and discuss what has happened and what they think will happen in the show without having spoilers forced down their throats. Anyone who actively reads these threads knows that there is a lot of discussion that goes on and not too many actual spoilers. There are a few here and there, but people are usually good about editing the post, or asking a mod to fix it when it does occur. If anything is being discussed that may be a spoiler, it should get tags. And there are often "'show title' - spoilers" threads specifically for people to discuss spoilers. If it wasn't a big deal, those threads wouldn't exist. Again, it's not 100%. But a little common courtesy goes a long way... and has for 5 seasons.


back to Lost.....

11/23/2009 7:16:45 PM

Quote :

"something interesting to note we just watched the last of season 5, and the scene where Ben was surrounded by the smoke, and he saw his daughter, didnt seem to pop up in any of the episodes of the last half of the season. I doubt they would cut it out - maybe we just missed it somehow."

What scene are you talking about/why were you expecting it? There should be the scene where he is being judged by the smoke, it leaves, then his daughter appears and tells him to do whatever Locke says. - it may have flashed her then, but then she actually appeared.

I can't think of another scene, but I may have just forgotten.

11/23/2009 7:26:38 PM

^^ just to clarify, i don't read EW, but i was just kind of getting at the fact that you could've been at a barnes and noble or something and could've seen the issue with the article on lost being advertised and might've picked it up and read it and seen what elizabeth mitchell said. it wasn't really something you'd have to go out of your way to read. i myself have done exactly that and read an article in a magazine i typically don't read if it's on a topic i'm interested in. it's something anyone could run into without searching the internet for lost spoilers.

^^^ that should've been on the episode called "dead is dead"

11/23/2009 7:56:55 PM

man, I completely understood the "fact you were getting at." I just think it's a horrible excuse for posting anything that is a potential spoiler without making it known that you're about to post a potential spoiler.

Quote :

"you could've been at a barnes and noble or something and could've seen the issue with the article on lost being advertised and might've picked it up and read it and seen what elizabeth mitchell said. it wasn't really something you'd have to go out of your way to read.it's something anyone could run into without searching the internet for lost spoilers. "

Do you understand what I'm getting at? It doesn't seem like it, since you keep repeating the same thing about it being out there and available for people to "encounter": public knowledge =/= common knowledge. Using your example; You're right, except I wasn't at B&N, I didn't pick it up, and I didn't see what she said. I didn't know about it until you posted it here.

It's possible that I may see a spoiler on a magazine at a news stand. I may see it in a story on 60 minutes, or the soup, or who knows. I may hear it on the radio or overhear 2 people talking about it at work. But those are all big MAYBES, not guarantees. It's not smart to assume something has or will happen simply because it's possible.

On the other hand, it's safe to assume that the people who read this thread are going to come read this thread. It's also fair to assume that they've seen up to the most recent episode (for the sake of discussion in the thread). Assuming anything other than that is stupid. And I mean that... you're fucking retarded if you think that something isn't a spoiler or potential spoiler simply because it's available in some major outlet that any one of us could come across unintentionally. And yes, knowing the extent to which a character is in upcoming, un-aired episodes is spoiler-ish.

If you gleam any type of "insider" info. from somewhere other than the actual tv show, and said info has anything to do with the plot or hints at potential plot, or character development it could be a spoiler. Just put the word SPOILER (or Potential Spoiler) in bold letters, hold Enter for a second.. then type the shit, maybe a few more line breaks, and then /SPOILER in bold letters. And everything is fine.


If you need some examples of the sort of things people put in spoiler tags (i realize they're not true spoiler tags, but they help a lot) just look through the Lost thread for season 5 or 4.


And in case you just completely aren't going along; PLEASE use spoiler labels for anything concerning the upcoming episodes that comes from any type of insider source. I would greatly appreciate it.

11/24/2009 10:52:00 AM

^ i understand what you're getting at, dude. my whole thing is i just don't think it's that big of a deal given the circumstances surrounding the information, and neither do other people on TWW who have commented on it. but i'm sorry i ruined season 6 for you and mambagrl and brought your entire world crashing down around you for posting something that's not even that important in the grand scheme of the final season. how awful of me

i already said i accepted responsibility for not following proper "spoiler" protocol and that i know to use it for anything in the future. no need to harp on that anymore. but just because you did, i'm going to be obnoxious about it from now on and write spoiler before anything i say regardless of the sensitivity of the information just so i don't get bitched at by you or mambagrl, who isn't even supposed to be reading the thread anyway according to what she said. it's the least i can do for you calling me stupid and retarded.

i didn't think information that was publicly available since june or july was really that big of a deal anymore, and neither did other people. whatever dude. i just don't find vague tidbits of information to be something worthy of creating such an uproar about. like i said, i could understand the extent to which you and mambagrl have gotten pissed if i would've mentioned the specifics of what happens, which i can't actually do because i don't know anything. we have different opinions of what does and doesn't constitute a spoiler. agree to disagree. also, the word is "glean," not "gleam."

11/24/2009 2:02:11 PM

I vote we lock this thread and start a new one when the season starts for discussion of the show.


Not useless banter on how this thread should be goverened and who can be the biggest asshole.

11/24/2009 2:51:26 PM

lol, i'm not pissed. And i don't care about this particular piece of information all that much. It's your claim that worries me (if something is publicly available for x amount of time then it's not a spoiler or not a big deal to post because people could see it by chance). I mostly just don't want it to come up again and ruin something for someone. The fact that you don't see how that idea is a little ridiculous is somewhat bothersome to me. But, as long as you use spoiler labels, I don't really care.

glean/gleam: thanks for the info., I've probably been using the wrong word for years.


^It's done

[Edited on November 24, 2009 at 2:56 PM. Reason : ^]

11/24/2009 2:51:42 PM

i just don't really want mambagrl seeing i was the last person to post in here so she can come in and start some shit like she did the other night.

11/24/2009 3:08:39 PM

I'm not starting shit. You just needed to understand not to post spoilers without the tags and now you do so its cool. Can't unspill the milk. Everyone who had part of the show spoiled will get over it. its just a show. Just make sure it doesn't get spoiled any further.

11/24/2009 11:08:11 PM

Jack is gonna be in like at least 2 episodes in season six

I'm AstralAdvent and i approved this message.

11/24/2009 11:11:17 PM

ok...SPOILER I GUESS. DONT READ IF YOU ARE A DOUCHE OR CRYBABY








How did i miss that Sayid (Naveen Andrews) isn't returning this season? I know he was shot at the end of last season but do they just plan on simply saying "oh yeah, he died in the van" and this season won't even be seen on the plane? Have i missed something else?

Hmm...now i'm reading conflicting news. I knew i saw a few weeks ago that Naveen Andrews was receiving full billing as a series regular this season and that still remains. Yet he has not returned to Hawaii to start filming so i'm lead to believe he will be missing for quite awhile. has anyone read differently?












END

[Edited on November 25, 2009 at 8:46 AM. Reason : add]

11/25/2009 8:42:40 AM

^

spoiler







IMDB has him listed as a regular cast member for season 6. and i can't find anything saying he's not coming back. Actually, the source for that is TVSeriesFinale.com. I just found it on imdb









/spoiler

[Edited on November 25, 2009 at 12:05 PM. Reason : .]

11/25/2009 12:03:29 PM

found this promo for season 6 from some spanish channel. it's pretty well done. no spoilers. if someone would like to embed please:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C56Lgl6DorM&feature=player_embedded

and i don't really consider this a spoiler since it was bound to happen given how little we know about the character, but just so some people don't get bent out of shape


spoiler










the 9th episode of the season will be alpert centric and is apparently entitled "ab aeterno" which is translated figuratively as "since the beginning of time." i had assumed alpert was one of the passengers on the black rock, but i guess he might be a lot older than that.







/spoiler

[Edited on November 30, 2009 at 3:33 PM. Reason : promo]

11/30/2009 3:27:53 PM

don't spill spoiled milk

11/30/2009 4:01:24 PM

2 months from today...

12/2/2009 9:50:20 PM

^^^where'd you read that?

12/2/2009 11:00:08 PM

i got it from a post on another message board. here is the link for all the episode titles


spoiler?

http://www.tv.com/lost/show/24313/episode.html

/spoiler?

as to how they knew it was centered around that character, i'm not sure. i'm sure it was probably from that dark UFO website. i don't read it, but spoilers always leak there. i'm willing to trust the information though. there has to be an episode about that guy at some point in season 6, so if it's not the one i posted earlier you know it's gotta be coming anyway.

[Edited on December 3, 2009 at 3:04 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on December 3, 2009 at 3:04 PM. Reason : .]

12/3/2009 3:03:42 PM

http://www.sl-lost.com/2010/01/05/lost-s1-s5-in-815-840-actually/

Lost seasons 1-5 explained in 8 minutes 15 seconds

disclaimer: may be old blah blah blah

1/5/2010 1:24:09 PM

FINALLY caught up with this series. It definitely improved after a bit of a lul in season 3.

1/5/2010 1:26:35 PM

i'm looking forward to this getting resolved

for some reason watching the recap made me mad and made me want to give the show up (i guess i remember how much they have dicked around with the viewers)

1/5/2010 1:36:14 PM

i just started watching the missing pieces videos on youtube. the ones with arzt are kinda humorous. the one about walt was kind of interesting, but i don't think there's ever gonna be any resolution with his character. also, not that i read perez hilton because i don't, but:

Quote :

"President Obama faces a tough call: Does he piss off people by scheduling his State of The Union address on the night American Idol starts or the night the final season of Lost premieres? While attempting to finalize plans & move forward with this year's address, the White House has hit a pop culture roadblock. The two available dates for the broadcast are Jan. 26 and Feb. 2. As we mentioned, both night are already big for TV, but how we hear it, everyone is leaning more towards stalling the Lost fanatics rather than fight with Simon Cowell. But fans want their smoke monsters and what have you, so they won't be giving in without a fight. Already on Twitter, people are posting the hashtag #NoStateofUnionFeb2 in protest. There's just no pleasing everyone, huh Barack? Read More: Perez Hilton: White House Might Bump Lost Off The Island http://perezhilton.com/2010-01-06-white-house-might-bump-lost-off-the-island%22#ixzz0bvEfT3Jo Celebrity Juice, Not from Concentrate "

if lost gets bumped instead of american idol i'm voting republican in 2012.

[Edited on January 7, 2010 at 4:45 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on January 7, 2010 at 4:46 AM. Reason : .]

1/7/2010 4:30:47 AM

from carlton cuse's twitter page:

"In exchange for moving his speech, Damon and I promise to answer ANY questions the President has about LOST."

barack obama may already know what the smoke monster is

1/9/2010 8:23:34 PM

here are two promotional photos released by abc. lost bloggers apparently are going crazy about the "Last Supper" theme and meaning behind the differences between the two

these are the two biggest pictures I could find after a quick google search

1/12/2010 12:51:46 PM

SPOILERS










apparently libby and michael are both returning for season six!!!









SPOILERS

1/12/2010 1:05:24 PM

i would do so many dirty things to Sun if I was on the island with her.

1/12/2010 1:09:10 PM

the arrangment of people changed between those two pictures. Its like one camp is jacks, the other sawyer, both looking at locke in the middle.

1/12/2010 1:15:28 PM

^^^ from what i've seen on imdb, it appears several characters who have previously died will make appearances in season 6. whether or not they're alive isn't clear


SPOILER















the title of the season 6 premiere is "LAX," so i assume jack and co. might've achieved the intended effect of detonating the hydrogen bomb, so everyone who died might be okay. but who knows.

















/SPOILER

1/12/2010 2:36:24 PM

^that or its just another flashback

1/12/2010 2:47:10 PM

SPOILERS









to be correct, it's not LAX, it's LA X










SPOILERS

1/12/2010 2:51:25 PM

Quote :

"^that or its just another flashback"

which is why i said this

Quote :

"whether or not they're alive isn't clear"

Quote :

"SPOILERS to be correct, it's not LAX, it's LA X SPOILERS"

just so no one bitches


spoiler












there's no space between the A and the X. it's the three letter abbreviation for the airport, just like RDU for raleigh-durham, GSO for greensboro, and DCA for reagan washington national. pretty sure every airport in the world has one. my mom knows a ton of them.














/spoiler

[Edited on January 12, 2010 at 3:27 PM. Reason : .]

1/12/2010 3:26:58 PM

the episode title on everything i've seen so far says LA X

1/12/2010 3:35:24 PM

maybe they mean it's LA (the city) X (meaning alternate dimension)

yknow like generation X, etc.

1/12/2010 3:36:10 PM

ok yeah nevermind. i didn't notice it on the episode title. i thought he was talking about the actual airport code. makes sense now.

1/12/2010 3:37:32 PM

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/final_season_of_lost_promises_to

1/19/2010 2:34:52 AM

this thread blows now with all of the tagging. great job, people.

1/19/2010 7:31:01 PM

well the tagging is necessary, but all of the spoiling isn't. there is no reason spoilers should be introduced in every post and at this point in the game. the season hasn't even started. extend the common courtesy and don't start throwing in points of speculation about this coming season until viewers have had a chance to watch it and then draw their own conclusions.


That being said, less than 2 weeks.

1/21/2010 9:34:53 AM

this is pretty nitpicky and is basically a non issue, but i was rewatching "316" from season 5 last night, and i thought if there was someone under probation who wasn't allowed to leave the state of california (kate) that there would be some sort of way the airport personnel would have access to a blacklist or something and deny her from boarding a plane to go to guam. if it was an error on the part of the writers then that really sucks because all i want is for kate to not be involved with anything on this show.

1/21/2010 2:42:39 PM

could just use a fake name and passport or something to bypass that.

1/21/2010 3:05:26 PM