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"their people went through hundreds of years of slavery"

i always laugh at that reasoning.. i mean, the reality is that the current generation of black people hasn't been through shit and is using that bullshit as a crutch.

5/21/2009 9:27:23 AM

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"How did TWW get so PC? This isnt UNC-Chapel Hill people. I full support NCSUdude181 - his speach is protected. Unfortunately BobbyDigital is not. Mods on this board have sucked for almost ten years now."

Especially chit chat.

5/21/2009 9:28:38 AM

Athletes and entertainers if they are dumb going in they are usually dumb going out too. She will have opportunities down the road I'm sure. Surreal life is always looking for washed up trash. At least she lived the good life for a few years, thats more than most of her peers could dream of.

[Edited on May 21, 2009 at 9:32 AM. Reason : ]

5/21/2009 9:31:51 AM

I'm on Bobby's side 100% here. Fuck racists. Freedom of speech doesn't apply to whether or not a message board mod can call you out. The first amendment protects you from government sanctions, and a privately owned board has the ability to do anything it wants. It may go against the board's regulations, but that doesn't make you immune to reality, folks.

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"TWW: Ruining people's reputations and lives since 2000"

The moment you use hate speech, you already have given up any right to a good reputation.

[Edited on May 21, 2009 at 9:54 AM. Reason : .]

5/21/2009 9:49:57 AM

Jesus, that's her in the bojangles pics?

Those are not good pics.

5/21/2009 9:58:30 AM

hahaha, no, that's not her

5/21/2009 10:00:23 AM

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"How did TWW get so PC? This isnt UNC-Chapel Hill people. I full support NCSUdude181 - his speach is protected. Unfortunately BobbyDigital is not. Mods on this board have sucked for almost ten years now." Especially chit chat."

i guess i can add peakseeker and laser soup to the moderator watch list

5/21/2009 10:27:32 AM

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"the reality is that the current generation of black people hasn't been through shit and is using that bullshit as a crutch."

i want to shoot you for saying this

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"Seriously, how many times a day does someone post shit like this on TWW? and you have the nerve to call ME out? that's pretty beat up."

wouldnt mind shooting this person either

[Edited on May 21, 2009 at 10:33 AM. Reason : .]

5/21/2009 10:29:05 AM

People got all mad that she called High Point home after American Idol, because she couldn't move quick enough! I wish they would remove the 'home of fantasia' signs all over the city.

5/21/2009 11:11:01 AM

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"I have a question... why is it that a lot of black people get upset when someone of a different race says the word "nigger" but there are black people out there saying it to each other? This has always confused me.."

Do you really not get it? its fairly simple if you move past the "I want to say nigger too and i should be able to sentiment" and exude some thought. The power in the word is the intent that is within its use. When blacks call each other nigga or niggers they aren't always using it as a pejorative or in a derogatory manner. When they use it they feel as if they have control over it and by extension control over the power that is inherent within the word. however, when a person of a different race uses it the context is often different, as is the intent. This is what crosses the line. Nigger was seen as a thing, not a person and by referring to them as such it is placing them at a level below humanity.

I have never understood how people can be so blind as to not realize a simple concept and let a me too mentality prevent them from realizing it.

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"how many times the fuck a day does it happen on this site? honestly?"

no where near as much as it used to.

In fact I hadn't seen nigger typed out much at all on this site in a while until the last two weeks or so.

5/21/2009 11:12:14 AM

I just don't understand how it's still ok for them to use it because it's still a very offensive word, if not the most offensive word in the English language. I wasn't just limiting it to a friendly sense, either. I've seen black people in fights calling each other nigger in a derogatory sense. I can understand the point of it being such a powerful word, but even so, wouldn't you want to take away it's power instead of fueling it by helping it stay prominent in the English language? If you look at the definition of the word, none of it is positive.

5/21/2009 11:19:53 AM

Bitch can be a more derogatory word and it is ubiquitous in the English language. A best selling book can have Bitch in the title.

The number of fights started because someone was called a bitch is probably 100x the amount of fights started when someone is called a nigger.



WHERE IS THE UPRAWR?


(ps I used ubiquitous in a sentence)

5/21/2009 11:27:19 AM

^^ i agree with you in some respects. I do agree completely that the best way to remove the word from common vernacular would be to stop using the word as a whole.

but even in the situations you described above the intent and context remains different. typically, and i can't vouch for situations where you've heard them use it in a derogatory manner, its used to comment on the person acting as less than they should. such as keeping your clothes on the floor and not taking care of your possessions is niggerish. the intent in that context isn't to be hurtful but, rather, more chastising.

[Edited on May 21, 2009 at 11:32 AM. Reason : ^x2]

5/21/2009 11:31:37 AM

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"I full support NCSUdude181 - his speach is protected."

Oh, I totally agree. I would just challenge him to use that word when he is not behind the protection of his computer screen.

5/21/2009 11:41:07 AM

i'm more concerned about his speech

5/21/2009 11:48:52 AM

His speech is NOT protected. His speech is protected against government intervention, but there is no law preventing others from reciprocating.

5/21/2009 11:56:39 AM

lol @ everybody gettin their panties in a wad over this

5/21/2009 12:09:12 PM

I couldn't care less if the dude says the word nigger. My only point is that saying it on the internet when you won't dare say it in public doesn't make you tough.

[Edited on May 21, 2009 at 12:24 PM. Reason : a]

5/21/2009 12:23:12 PM

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"hate speech"

There is hate. There is speech. There is no such thing as "hate speech".

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"Fuck racists. Freedom of speech........"

How exactly is freedom of speech an issue here? Has anyone been censored by anyone else?

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"Do you really not get it? its fairly simple if you move past the "I want to say nigger too and i should be able to sentiment" and exude some thought. The power in the word is the intent that is within its use. When blacks call each other nigga or niggers they aren't always using it as a pejorative or in a derogatory manner. When they use it they feel as if they have control over it and by extension control over the power that is inherent within the word. however, when a person of a different race uses it the context is often different, as is the intent. This is what crosses the line. Nigger was seen as a thing, not a person and by referring to them as such it is placing them at a level below humanity. I have never understood how people can be so blind as to not realize a simple concept and let a me too mentality prevent them from realizing it."

"Me too" > "Only you"
I take issue with your explanation. You say the power is in the intent. But you don't at all explain how the color of someones' skin necessarily determines their intent. It is inescapably racist to suggest that only one race may use a particular word, in whatever circumstance.

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"I can understand the point of it being such a powerful word, but even so, wouldn't you want to take away it's power instead of fueling it by helping it stay prominent in the English language? If you look at the definition of the word, none of it is positive."

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"i agree with you in some respects. I do agree completely that the best way to remove the word from common vernacular would be to stop using the word as a whole."

Except that both of you are wrong about the nature of language. Forbidding and censoring a word gives it power. Repeatedly redefining it and tolerating its use is the only way to remove the power. I don't make these rules.

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"His speech is NOT protected. His speech is protected against government intervention, but there is no law preventing others from reciprocating."

Yes, it is protected. When someone says "his speech is protected", they are (or at least should be,) saying that it's "protected against government intervention", as you agree. Saying that it's "protected" does not mean that others can't reciprocate... (Did someone say it did? I may have missed it.)

[Edited on May 21, 2009 at 12:27 PM. Reason : ]

5/21/2009 12:24:40 PM

I HATE speech!

5/21/2009 12:30:28 PM

^2 You can take away the power of a word by letting it die out and making it not as "special" as it used to be.

[Edited on May 21, 2009 at 12:32 PM. Reason : ^ haha!]

5/21/2009 12:32:20 PM

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"EPIC WILLY NILLY QUOTING"

5/21/2009 12:32:30 PM

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"My only point is that saying it on the internet when you won't dare say it in public doesn't make you tough."

This applies to 99.9% of all internet users.

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"i guess i can add peakseeker and laser soup to the moderator watch list"

Ceiling mod is watching you (verbally) masturbate.

5/21/2009 12:36:13 PM

so 99.9% of internet users say nigger on the internet to appear tough?

5/21/2009 12:41:17 PM

No, 99.9% say stuff they wouldn't say in public.

5/21/2009 12:43:11 PM

I agree. But I think that racial slurs are in a class all their own.

5/21/2009 12:44:43 PM

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"You can take away the power of a word by letting it die out and making it not as "special" as it used to be."

Right, but the only way to let it die out is to let it freely run its course. If it's censored and targeted, it becomes "special".... If everyone just tolerated its use, and allowed it to be redefined as most all words eventually do, it would become less "special".

Imagine if the same amount of fuss was made about the use of the word "hell". If, for the last century or so, we were all repeatedly forbidden from using the word "hell", and were given very strict punishments for using it, it would still be around today -- just more powerful, more special...

The reason the word "hell" is generally socially acceptable is largely because we simply began to tolerate it. We also allowed it to be redefined -- most uses of the word hell aren't referring to the fiery home of satan, and even when they are, it's not derogatory against christians. (Note: I realize the analogy isn't 100%, but of course, no analogy is 100% and you should already know that...)

5/21/2009 12:45:35 PM

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"Right, but the only way to let it die out is to let it freely run its course."

Um, that was my point to begin with.

5/21/2009 12:48:21 PM

5/21/2009 12:53:05 PM

^^
My bad.... I read "staying prominent in the English language" as "using it freely"....

5/21/2009 12:56:31 PM

Getting back on topic...apparently she lost her $1.3m house back in January?

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" CHARLOTTE, NC - Fantasia Barrino - who faces the loss of her $1.3 million home here in a debtor’s auction set for noon Monday - is apparently ignoring the looming legal threat, officials told The Post yesterday. The inspirational “American Idol” winner owes a Florida credit company $65,000 - money she borrowed in 2006 to pay back taxes she owed the IRS. The singer made a $10,000 payment in August 2007. But she never paid the rest, so the company won the right in court last month to auction off her house for the balance. Mecklenburg County sheriff’s deputies, who are responsible for enforcing civil court orders, have tried at least a dozen times to reach Barrino at the home and by phone, said Sgt. J.W. England, a supervisor of civil judgments. A deputy spoke a couple of times to Barrino’s mother, but never reached the star, who appears to be ignoring attempts to save her house, officials said. “We try very hard and give the defendant every opportunity to pay,” England said yesterday. Over the course of about a year, Barrino has never responded to court documents, and no lawyer ever appeared in court to represent her, said Larry Goldman, a Charlotte attorney representing the credit company, Broward Energy Management. “I certainly don’t want anyone to lose their house,” Goldman said. “But as far as I’m concerned, we have a judgment.” Barrino, 24, has made no payments and filed no documents since The Post reported a court-ordered lien on the property in Charlotte’s upscale Piper Glen neighborhood last month. Goldman said he never heard from Barrino’s representatives until after the judge’s order. He said he has since spoken twice with reps who haven’t offered to resolve the debt but said they’d get back in touch before next Monday. “My client has continuously asked me why they won’t just pay it,” Goldman said. “I just don’t have an answer.” Barrino’s attorney, Gary Greenberg declined to comment yesterday. “It’s my practice not to talk about client matters,” he said. Barrino’s agent, Erin Culley, referred questions to the singer’s publicist but was unable to provide contact information for that person."

http://egyptsaidso.com/drama/fantasia-loses-her-home/

5/21/2009 1:12:07 PM

^ haha pwnd.

i think the ironic thing about nigger is that you have people like the NAACP trying to phase out the word, yet it's constantly used in whats currently the most popular music genre currently.... hip-hop, by black people themselves. If we are always exposed to it, then it won't ever go away.

5/21/2009 1:23:38 PM

^ actually its rarely used in hip-hop, but often used in rap. hip hop != rap.

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"I take issue with your explanation. You say the power is in the intent. But you don't at all explain how the color of someones' skin necessarily determines their intent. It is inescapably racist to suggest that only one race may use a particular word, in whatever circumstance."

you can take issue with it all you want, thats one of your many rights. however, in y explanation i explicitly stated "however, when a person of a different race uses it the context is often different, as is the intent. meaning that I did not say that someone's skin determines their intent per se.

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"Forbidding and censoring a word gives it power. Repeatedly redefining it and tolerating its use is the only way to remove the power. I don't make these rules."

this is not entirely accurate. nigger is a word that was at one point frequently used and completely tolerated, and at that point it had tremendous power.

5/21/2009 1:52:33 PM

Verbal abuse can often be considered in domestic violence situations, and is also quite often used as grounds for divorce.

5/21/2009 2:01:12 PM

ive never seen so many white and indian people defend blacks before

DEFEND THEIR HONOR

5/21/2009 8:24:48 PM

wow i didnt realize i planted a seed there. i fully think its funny his name got put out, but the private information thing happens to be a big pet peeve of mine.

5/21/2009 8:27:59 PM

what the hell is all of this about?

i don't even know who this bitch is

5/21/2009 8:29:51 PM

she was on american idol and i think got 3232th place but still got some money out of it, then apparantly was extended credit, and ate it all up within a year

5/21/2009 8:37:37 PM

dumb bitch got x amount of money, spent x^2, and is now bankrupt

5/21/2009 8:42:11 PM

haha awesome

5/21/2009 8:43:47 PM

and apparently that is grounds to call her a nigger

because, you know, white folks never spend more than they are worth

[Edited on May 21, 2009 at 8:47 PM. Reason : a]

5/21/2009 8:47:01 PM

the word offends me in certain ways, but i'm gonna be honest here

nigger-rig and nigger-rich have never rubbed me the wrong way

5/21/2009 8:48:34 PM

i use the word nigga on a daily basis

but i do not use the word nigger. my black friends would kill me for that, most likely

as i would they if they ever called me a cracker, honkey, whitey, etc etc.

5/21/2009 8:49:47 PM

i call myself cracker, honkey, etc all the time and i don't bat an eye when someone else uses it

5/21/2009 8:50:50 PM

i dont think my black friends would care too much. i rip on jews constantly so they know im a racist piece of shit

5/21/2009 8:51:03 PM

exactly. but would you ever tell them to get their nigger asses a job?

its all in context

5/21/2009 8:51:53 PM

Generally speaking the word "nigger" implies an ignorant black. It's occassionally expanded to other races, or used to demean blacks of means, but generally speaking it means an ignorant black. I would suggest that violence and suppression of free speech are great, big, flaming indicators of ignorance. Allowing that, what is it other than confirmation of ignorance to respond with violence and anger? It's just a fucking word.

I personally don't give a fuck what you call me, it would take a lot more than words to incite me to violence. If you're willing to beat someone's ass over a word you probably are well-described by the word nigger, if not some other phrase for a stereotypical uneducated, low-class individual.

[Edited on May 21, 2009 at 8:57 PM. Reason : .]

5/21/2009 8:55:05 PM

i dunno, i guess if i were a real racist then i would have never shared a home and bathrooms and utensils and stuff with a group of black dudes

racism to me can only exist if there is a real prejudice or hate for a "common" (average) person of another race, without meeting them

and i am that way with jews sometimes. but not the blacks. i love the zany blacks.

5/21/2009 8:55:22 PM

just out of curiosity, why do you rip on jews?

I'm not jewish, dont follow the faith or anything - I've just always wondered why people hate on jews

5/21/2009 8:58:39 PM

On the whole jew thing, I agree actually. I'm offended by the whole "chosen race of God" bit and certain patterns of racial preference in jewish culture. I think it's appropriate to respond likewise. I dunno about jackleg, though

[Edited on May 21, 2009 at 9:05 PM. Reason : nobody reads the 49th post, lulz]

5/21/2009 9:01:00 PM