i rather like the tipping system. i hear shit about over in europe about horrible service and would rather not get my nice dinner ruined by some 16 year old cunt every time i'm out.

Quote :

"I can think of many jobs that would have benefited me more than waiting tables would have."

still, service industry does give you some valuable experiences. like, what its like to be on the other side of the dining experience, people and customer interactions, insight on other groups of people you might not normally associate with, and a general kick in the ass to do good so you're never in those shoes again

(thanks, Lowes Delivery)

Pharmacy? Service industry? Please continue.

[Edited on July 6, 2009 at 11:56 PM. Reason : lk]

7/6/2009 11:55:18 PM

Quote :

"service industry does give you some valuable experiences"

Then you guys shouldn't complain about lack of monetary gain since you are getting such valuable experience.

7/6/2009 11:56:57 PM

Quote :

"Other than the obvious, is it better to leave a cash tip rather than by credit/debit? I always tip in cash thinking that if it's from a credit card it'll be taxed"

it is technically better for the interest of the server if you leave a cash tip. Most of the time all credit/debit card tips are automatically claimed. Some restaurants also claim your tips and reports for payroll purposes based on your net sales. So... if you do leave a good tip in cash, the full amount might not get reported.

7/6/2009 11:57:13 PM

Quote :

"if you do leave a good tip in cash, the full amount might not get reported."

Sounds like a good reason to keep leaving tips on my cc.

[Edited on July 6, 2009 at 11:59 PM. Reason : plus reward points!]

7/6/2009 11:58:58 PM

i take it this David fellow has not experienced the joy that is service industry

7/7/2009 12:01:54 AM

this david fellow is snobby as fuck sometimes

7/7/2009 12:02:36 AM

David0603, I don't bitch about the nights that I don't do well. Those nights are nights that the restaurant/bar I work at is slow. I don't think I've ever been tipped less than 18%* at the place I work now. Bartending is better because people usually tip around 25-30%.

I can only blame a low paycheck on the shitty economy, and people not eating at fine dining restaurants as much as they used to. But business is definitely picking up. Even when I worked at a very cheap restaurant I'd say maybe 5% of people tipped less than 18%. It is just the norm. So I think when someone does leave a shitty tip the server just gets pissed off because it hardly ever happens. If it happened often, you bet I would find a different job

*does not apply to non Americans

7/7/2009 12:02:42 AM

if someone leaves a ridiculously good tip (lets say 100 bucks on a 100 dollar tab), most of the time, they will leave it in cash. They are intending for this to be more of a gift than "paying the server's salary"

i agree that 15% of their sales should be taxed, since this is basically what most servers are taking home after tipouts and such. But the ocassional good tipper who leaves cash knows the deal and does so accordingly.

^^^^do whatever you think would make your mother proud.

[Edited on July 7, 2009 at 12:03 AM. Reason : ^]

[Edited on July 7, 2009 at 12:04 AM. Reason : damnit]

7/7/2009 12:03:04 AM

^^^^ No. I have never had a desire to work in that industry.

^^^ I didn't come in here and say I'm better than you because you are in the service industry. I just make a point not to work in industries with variable pay and then complain about it.

^^ I was referring to the OP.

^ will do

[Edited on July 7, 2009 at 12:05 AM. Reason : ]

7/7/2009 12:03:19 AM

i'm confused by the responses, but I will agree that the extra reward points are $awesome and go to bed

[Edited on July 7, 2009 at 12:05 AM. Reason : you people and your carrots]

7/7/2009 12:04:45 AM

Carets ftw. Bedtime for me as well.

7/7/2009 12:11:22 AM

7/7/2009 12:15:06 AM

how did another thread about tipping make it to 3 pages

?

7/7/2009 10:29:29 AM

^cause i'm dumb and made one without knowing there were previous threads....


<----n00b

7/7/2009 10:32:41 AM

lol

i didnt mean it that way ... i just assumed the assholes on here would have made it known and just ridiculed you into the other thread about the topic lol

but then again...you have large breasts

you can send me pics in a PM

7/7/2009 10:47:30 AM

lol...cute gunzz

i will consider it

7/7/2009 10:48:24 AM

the reason people work in the restaurant industry is because it's good money for the amount of work you do

so maybe we should stop bitching about the occasional customer who doesn't tip the server what he/she thinks he/she deserves

7/7/2009 10:50:11 AM

7/7/2009 10:52:21 AM

yeah or you could just keep bitching


good luck with your blood pressure

7/7/2009 10:53:11 AM

WHAT THE FUCK?!

ALL I HAD TO DO TO SEE A PIC OF HER BOOBS WAS ASK?! MOTHER FUCKER...this is some of that old bullshit

7/7/2009 10:54:21 AM

its cool emce, i got ya covered. i'll draw what they look like for ya

( o Y o )

7/7/2009 10:56:01 AM

oh great, the whole tipping thing again

18% is the norm -- BULLSHIT

i remember it used to be 15% was for outstanding service, now they want 18
on top of higher food prices? every now and then we would go to places that said
parties of X of more will be charged an automatic gratuity of 18% (some places that
think they are better charge more)

one such place tried to charge us this bullshit by counting my newborn (who is obviously
not eating) i bitched and got it taken off. the place tried to turn in the total with that tip
on my credit card, thinking i wouldnt notice, i disputed it, and they got $0.00

another place we were watching a game, i went ahead and did my check with about 10 mins
left, of course dumb bitch has her money now, so she decides to ignore us completely
once again $0.00, i would prolly have let them have the cost of the bill if they had called
to appeal the dispute, but they never did.

then other places just give shitty service, so i usually dont leave a tip, but then put a pretty
good one on my copy of the receipt to turn in to the company, and dont worry, i dont go back
again to any place where i get shitty service, so they dont ever get a chance to "fix" my
drink.

i feel sorry for the wait staff who are trying their best, cause either their dumbass coworkwers
or greedy managers are making it worse for them

7/7/2009 10:59:40 AM

[Edited on July 7, 2009 at 11:02 AM. Reason : there]

7/7/2009 11:01:32 AM

Major : Psychology

Occupation: Server

Go find Doc Brown and have him drive you back in time so that you can pick a more productive major.

/thread

7/7/2009 11:06:36 AM

Without reading previous posts here, I tip people based on their quality of work. I don't care about percentages, although I will generally tip higher in nicer/classier places (especially since they are generally nicer). I usually give $2.00-$3.00 for service on top of the change to round up the dollar amount if they do a pretty good job. If it's a higher end place, it's a bit more obviously (around $5-$7 and I usually stay about an hour). Since most servers wait on several tables, this is pretty good bank for them imo. Most servers don't do anything extrodinary to justify any higher, so if they do, they'll be rewarded accordingly.

7/7/2009 11:27:39 AM

i usually keep it about 20%, and the dinner i had last night was pretty good, but there were a few things that worried me.


I went to eat at a restaurant and asked to sit outside. I was the only one out there and while i was being walked out i noticed there was some dogshit on their patio around the tables. wtf? I told the hostess and she apologized and said she hadn't been outside yet and yesterday was dogs were welcome day so people brought their dogs.

ok whatever, but that means that shit has been there for over a day and NOBODY cleaned it up? wtf?


so I go to the other end of the patio so i dont have to look at that shit and after i finish my meal and leave, i notice the dogshit is STILL there. There's like 3 pieces and its out in the middle of the road where it will easily be stepped in. WTF?


just seems really lazy to me that they can't pick it up

7/7/2009 11:31:46 AM

they dont get a tip for cleaning up shit

its not their job

7/7/2009 11:33:39 AM

i still tipped 20%



so who's job is it?

7/7/2009 11:35:54 AM

there is a lot of short sightedness in this thread and, unfortunately, melanndelyn it is largely coming from the position you and others hold.

sarijoul had a good and unique point when he said

Quote :

"i'm curious how a waitress somehow does more work on a more expensive bill than a cheap bill? is carrying an alcoholic beverage across the restaurant somehow harder than carrying water?"

Can you honestly explain why this should be the case by providing a rational critique for why it makes sense for you to be paid more on a more expensive meal? I would prefer an actual explanation instead of what you stated below.

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"im just saying, if you cant follow the rules of the restaurant industry"

There are no rules as a customer rather than you pay for your food. Tipping, regardless if you choose to acknowledge it or not, is optional. sure most people tip, but they are by no means obligated to do so. waiters and waitresses have formed a sense of entitlement regarding tips that is evident in your posts. I have had countless friends in the service industry, some who I know give shitty service some times but never have I heard them say "i was tipped poorly, but its okay because my service sucked". waiters and waitresses never admit they were potentially the problem in the low tip.

john kruk

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"If they were paid an hourly wage, then nobody would want to be a server."

you're not even trying to put forth honest discourse. there are servers in plenty of countries that don't tip. Europe has a mixture of good and bad service, but no shortage of serving staff. In Japan it is insulting to tip because waiters see it as a matter of honor to serve the customer well.

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"When I was growing up the standard was 13% and it's just kept going up"

Exactly. I was born in 1984 and tipping was 13% for a good tip when I was coming along. Food has increased in cost so cost of living doesn't explain the increased percentage in tipping. furthermore the job has gotten easier in many ways since servers have better tools around to manage their tables and get orders done correctly. the expectation of the 20% automatic tip once again reflects the entitlement culture. I tip between 15 and 18% for typical service (which honestly is rarely that good), well below if expectations are not met, and well above that when I encounter service I find exemplary. Its not being cheap it is doing what tipping is intended to do. Making it a system of meritocracy where good service is rewarded and bad service discouraged therefore inspiring some to provide better service and discouraging those who cannot seem to do so from being in the industry at all.


simply, maybe you didn't provide good service. maybe you treated them worse than normal because they were black and you assumed you were going to get a low tip anyways (self fulfilling prophecy). Either way, you are by no means entitled to 15% or over

[Edited on July 7, 2009 at 11:39 AM. Reason : a e i o u]

7/7/2009 11:37:52 AM

I just don't understand why when I go to an expensive restaurant and get shitty service, I'm still supposed to tip more than double what I would if I went to the Olive Garden and got great service.

7/7/2009 11:40:44 AM

cause the dipshit who served you and the douche bag who owns the place believes in getting something for nothing, and if you dont, they are allowed to get pissed

7/7/2009 11:42:16 AM

melanndelyn, my inbox is still red

7/7/2009 11:45:48 AM

tip based on the service and not on the food.

i've had really shitty meals, but if the waitstaff will work with me to take the plate back to replace the meal or allow me to order something else with no charge i'm much more willing to help them out.

i expect that the waitstaff will be fairly prompt with getting to the table, take the drink orders and be out with them pretty quickly provided i'm not getting 4+ drinks at once or having them open a bottle of wine that they dont typically serve.

its good for them to check up on you after you get the food, but please oh please, give me some time to try the food. don't drop it off at the table, take drink orders from another table and come right back asking how it is when i'm still on the first bite.

just a few things i see happening at multiple places.

7/7/2009 12:01:01 PM

Quote :

"Can you honestly explain why this should be the case by providing a rational critique for why it makes sense for you to be paid more on a more expensive meal?"

I suppose I pay more at higher end restraunts because I stay there longer to enjoy my meal, chat with people, enjoy the atmosphere, etc... I usually stay about an hour or so at higher end places. For like olive garden, O'charlies, TGIF, et. or the like, I usually stay about half and hour if that. I don't usually hang out in those places like I'll do in Maggiano's Little Italy or Rays. So I gues my rate just stays the same... $5/hr

[Edited on July 7, 2009 at 12:09 PM. Reason : /]

7/7/2009 12:07:38 PM

if places were required to pay a decent hourly wage to servers, there would be fewer servers hired in general, fewer servers on the floor on every shift, service times and quality would go down, as it is its hard for a restaurant to make money within the first 2 years of opening, and in europe you still pay for the servers hourly wage because the food costs more and the service is pretty shitty

if you don't want to tip someone for filling your drinks and ensuring you and your company don't have to break the conversation to get up and go get more food, or more drink, or make a dessert, or fix a problem with your meal, or make sure the section and table your sitting at is clean, has condiments, your plates get prebussed so they don't take up all the space on the table then stay the fuck home and cook for yourself, but if thats too much of a problem then be prepared to tip



[Edited on July 7, 2009 at 12:46 PM. Reason : d]

7/7/2009 12:32:32 PM

^what he said.

7/7/2009 12:39:22 PM

^^Fucking SPOT ON

Quote :

"I just don't understand why when I go to an expensive restaurant and get shitty service, I'm still supposed to tip more than double what I would if I went to the Olive Garden and got great service"

thats why you ask for the manager and tell them about the problem. They then come back with a new bill, It has a discount on it. or a food item taken off.

[Edited on July 7, 2009 at 12:44 PM. Reason : lol]

7/7/2009 12:40:21 PM

^^

7/7/2009 12:40:24 PM

and the reason you tip a percentage of the bill is because for one person ordering one meal in most places its going to come out to about the same + or - a few dollars. one meal consists of drinks, an appetizer, main course, and dessert if you vary by adding another meal or more items, then you pay more, if you get less than a full meal, then you pay less

[Edited on July 7, 2009 at 12:49 PM. Reason : .]

7/7/2009 12:46:53 PM

Quote :

"if you don't want to tip someone for filling your drinks and ensuring you and your company don't have to break the conversation to get up and go get more food, or more drink, or make a dessert, or fix a problem with your meal, or make sure the section and table your sitting at is clean, has condiments, your plates get prebussed so they don't take up all the space on the table then stay the fuck home and cook for yourself, but if thats too much of a problem then be prepared to tip"

i havent read through the thread but i dont think most people would argue if they got that kind of service above, but i think ive only had service like that a handful of times, servers these days suck and expect to get tipped well for their shitty service. if your a horrible server its not my fault you picked that job, im not going to tip you well if at all if you suck.

7/7/2009 1:00:38 PM

i agree that for shitty service you shouldn't tip well, but to not tip at all or tip shitty in general is insulting to the person you get who does all the above, i never got pissed about shitty tips from tables that i couldn't give my best to, but when i go out of my way to make sure everything goes well for your table and then get tipped shitty, well its insulting

7/7/2009 1:04:51 PM

i think its become the norm to tip no matter what the service. So many people have worked in the food industry say 'oh u leave a tip NO MATTER WHAT' and if it's really shitty service u leave a smaller tip but u always leave a tip


truthfully if you continually reward people for bad service by leaving a tip, they will continue to give bad service. Nobody wants to be that jerk that doesn't tip, so u tip even if the service sucks.

If bad servers got shitty tips they'd be forced to change their habits or get a different job real quick.

7/7/2009 1:11:07 PM

so what some people are saying is that if they have a bad day at work they shouldnt have to be paid?

7/7/2009 1:26:46 PM

i dont mean that at all. Of course people are going to have bad days and i totally don't think thats a reason they should be fired/not paid or anything. Also, if its just one day it really shouldn't affect u long term. If you are having a bad day every day, though, you might want to consider switching careers. Food service isn't for everyone

7/7/2009 1:34:23 PM

parsonsb

FT FUCKIN W

kthanks

7/7/2009 2:39:12 PM

^^ i agree. thats why ruby tuesdays sucks

^wut

7/7/2009 2:42:02 PM

^i agree with everything he is saying itt

7/7/2009 2:43:42 PM

^he didn't really directly address any of my questions, so hardly FTW by any means.

furthermore.

Quote :

"and in europe you still pay for the servers hourly wage because the food costs more and the service is pretty shitty"

this is false. I have had remarkably good service in europe, better to what I am accustom to here in the US. Also see the comment about Japan. This anecdotal evidence refutes your only-in-theory commentary. service quality does not go down because with a higher wage people are inspired to perform well on the basis of keeping their job and making additional money for restaurant rather than getting automatically entitled tips from the customers that helps themselves and does not always reflect how much money they made for the business.

Quote :

"if you don't want to tip someone for filling your drinks and..."

This has nothing to do with it. that is their job. I have a job and no one tips me to do it. this aside tipping is not required therefore due to the fact it is a generosity a server does not have the rightful expectation to a certain percentage. this is what is actually being discussed by most people here.

Quote :

"i think its become the norm to tip no matter what the service."

exactly

Quote :

"truthfully if you continually reward people for bad service by leaving a tip, they will continue to give bad service. Nobody wants to be that jerk that doesn't tip, so u tip even if the service sucks."

dead on again. this is what has led to entitlement.

Quote :

"If bad servers got shitty tips they'd be forced to change their habits or get a different job real quick."

fucking a right. this is an example of a mother fucking win. someone who makes a valid point and addresses the issue, engages discourse and steers clear of biased myopia that is occupationally based.

[Edited on July 7, 2009 at 2:54 PM. Reason : tipping not typing]

7/7/2009 2:52:51 PM

IRSC, i answered you in my thread. i hope you can see where i am coming from after reading it, though the answers are quite long

7/7/2009 3:02:01 PM

Quote :

"This has nothing to do with it. that is their job"

yes it is their job. they only have to refill your drink once. that means they did there job. if you stay thirsty the rest of the time you are there you have no reason to compain. because well, they did their job.
servers dont have to do shit as long as they take your order and bring what you ordered out. wwell see how well that works out for you the next time you go out to eat.

7/7/2009 3:21:59 PM