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"The earth does not belong to Homo sapiens."

Yes it does.

8/4/2009 8:42:33 PM

when I made this thread, I never would have guessed it would be my longest running thread ever at a whopping 3 pages

haha I'm a shitty thread maker

8/4/2009 8:56:21 PM

^^
No, it doesn't. Why the fuck would you think it does?
Don't tell me you're one of those stupid god-followers that believe earth was created by invisible-sky-daddy for humans to do whatever the fuck they want....

8/4/2009 9:09:05 PM

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Sigh. Just making a preemptive post in here before my brother comes in here to make me look like an ass.

I had this t-shirt.

I liked it. It was a cool shirt.

8/4/2009 9:11:19 PM

Why doesn't TWW have a "like" button?

8/4/2009 9:11:52 PM

whales are smart.

but so are pigs. and they're delicious.


Homer: Are you saying you're never going to eat any animal again? What about bacon?
Lisa: No.
Homer: Ham?
Lisa: No.
Homer: Pork chops?
Lisa: Dad, those all come from the same animal.
Homer: Heh heh heh. Ooh, yeah, right, Lisa. A wonderful, magical animal.

8/4/2009 9:31:51 PM

because the bible says its so then its true

8/4/2009 9:32:52 PM

^^^^ i wish i had that shirt. send it my way.

8/4/2009 9:46:54 PM

^^^^^^

Yes, it does. Why the fuck would you think it doesn't?

This has nothing to do with god, little boy.

8/4/2009 10:58:23 PM

^
No. It doesn't.... little girl.
(Stupid fucking troll.)

8/4/2009 11:05:38 PM

Why should I care about whales if whales don't care about us???

Also I bet they are tasty too, we should probably eat them before they're all gone. It would be a shame to see whales go to waste.

8/4/2009 11:49:33 PM

^^^ there's a book floating around called Ishmael that you should look into reading.

8/4/2009 11:54:08 PM

^^^

Aha, clever.

Yes it does. Explain why it doesn't and stop being a snappy little cry baby.

8/5/2009 9:24:47 AM

yum

8/5/2009 9:32:30 AM

^^
No, it doesn't. Explain why it does and stop being a pussy troll.

8/5/2009 9:45:05 AM

cause we be the smartest yo

8/5/2009 9:45:56 AM

^
At least you'll answer the question....
But I don't see why the earth belongs to the smartest species... who makes that rule?

8/5/2009 9:49:00 AM

we're smart enough to prevail over all the other species

look, i answered the question. can you answer the question that was asked to you?

8/5/2009 9:50:08 AM

^^Dude you brought it up first. Also, you will never explain your side.

It will go something along the lines like this:

1. You'll wait for someone to rattle off a long post.

2. You'll quote them, offer a one sentenced explanation of why you think they're wrong and never say what you think.

3. You'll flame them.

4. Everyone will hate you more.

8/5/2009 9:51:28 AM

If you were a little troll alien visiting earth in your little troll spaceship, who would you talk to?

Isn't it a ridiculous double standard to say that man is the steward of earth, but has no more right to it than plankton?

8/5/2009 9:56:58 AM

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"we're smart enough to prevail over all the other species"

I still don't see why that makes the earth belong to us.
There's no logic behind that. So what, that we're smart enough to prevail over all the other species?

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"can you answer the question that was asked to you?"

The earth existed before any life on earth existed. It clearly belonged to no particular species then. Now that humans exist, many of them claim that the earth belongs to them. But, unless they can demonstrate why this is so, we must assume that the earth still belongs to no particular species. Did the earth belong to the dinosaurs at one point? Did it belong to single-cell aquatic life?

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"If you were a little troll alien visiting earth in your little troll spaceship, who would you talk to?"

I don't know. I mean, the answer you want is "humans", but even if that's the case, why does that mean that the earth belongs to us? You have to explain this, not just continue to demonstrate that we're the most advanced species -- I agree that we're the most advanced species. It, however, doesn't follow that the most intelligent or advanced species is whom the earth belongs to.

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"Isn't it a ridiculous double standard to say that man is the steward of earth, but has no more right to it than plankton?"

No. Why would that be a double standard? We can be stewards of the earth because we can. Why would that suggest that the earth belongs to us?

[Edited on August 5, 2009 at 10:04 AM. Reason : ]

8/5/2009 10:03:14 AM

Willy Nilly has watched Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home too many times. He knows if we don't have enough whales around when that probe comes to visit earth in a couple hundred years, the aliens are going to destroy the earth

8/5/2009 10:04:47 AM

throughout history, if you're smart enough to prevail over another group of people you rule them

humans rule all other forms of life on this planet

8/5/2009 10:05:31 AM

why do you give a fuck willy?

8/5/2009 10:07:04 AM

^^
That's true, and sadly, many humans abuse that rule. But "ruling" other life has nothing to do with the earth belong to us...
Why would that make the earth belonging to us?


^
about what?...

[Edited on August 5, 2009 at 10:08 AM. Reason : ]

8/5/2009 10:07:51 AM

because we have the power to preserve it or blow it into oblivion

8/5/2009 10:08:56 AM

this whole thread...

hey willy, what if a whale could drive in nascar? would it be considered a sport since it would take extreme skill to achieve it?

8/5/2009 10:09:48 AM

dude, if there was a fiery crash we could all just gather round and have a little buffet

8/5/2009 10:10:33 AM

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"We can be stewards of the earth because we can. Why would that suggest that the earth belongs to us?"

The earth belongs to us because we can.

8/5/2009 10:11:00 AM

Man created more efficient ways to hunt whales.
Whales failed to adapt.
Whales now exist at the mercy of man.

If a species where decimated by the efficient hunting of another species you would call it natural selection, but because man is the predator in this scenario you get your panties in a wad. That's a double standard.

8/5/2009 10:11:07 AM

haha, can you imagine the party that would happen

8/5/2009 10:11:26 AM

haha hell yeah, the buffet line would stretch around the track and everyone would be munching on a whale burger

yum

8/5/2009 10:12:00 AM

Nah... you all aren't using circular logic...


ALL YOUR PLANET ARE BELONG TO US

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"because we have the power to preserve it or blow it into oblivion"

So? That doesn't explain why the earth belongs to us.

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"The earth belongs to us because we can."

Says who?

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"If a species where decimated by the efficient hunting of another species you would call it natural selection, but because man is the predator in this scenario you get your panties in a wad. That's a double standard."

If every other species where decimated by the efficient hunting of one particular species, that would create unreasonable damage to the continued evolution of life on earth. I guess you could claim that there is no reason to support the continued evolution of life on earth, but that idea is pretty hard to support.... especially if that one predator species is intelligent enough to understand what it's doing, and the consequences.

[Edited on August 5, 2009 at 10:20 AM. Reason : ]

8/5/2009 10:12:35 AM

when willy breaks out the caps lock it pretty much means he's given up because he's realized everything isn't as black and white as he wants it to be

8/5/2009 10:13:53 AM

what beer would go with whale?

8/5/2009 10:16:11 AM

^^^ Says who? Says you, genius. If we can be stewards of the earth just because we can, then we can rule the earth simply because we can.

8/5/2009 10:19:38 AM

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"But I don't see why the earth belongs to the smartest species... who makes that rule?"

we make the rules, because we're smart and advanced enough to "write" them and "enforce" the rules. Once a more advanced species can come along and take us off of our perch, then that is where we will stay. It's really not a difficult as you are trying to make it - we rule the earth because no other species can or will

8/5/2009 10:22:30 AM

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"what beer would go with whale?"

8/5/2009 10:23:40 AM

^
lol...

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"If we can be stewards of the earth just because we can, then we can rule the earth simply because we can."

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"we make the rules, because we're smart and advanced enough to "write" them and "enforce" the rules. Once a more advanced species can come along and take us off of our perch, then that is where we will stay. It's really not a difficult as you are trying to make it - we rule the earth because no other species can or will"

You're still equating ruling the earth with the earth belonging to us. That doesn't logically follow. Is there some officiator in space that says, "Okay, the humans win, therefore the earth now officially belongs to them."?

[Edited on August 5, 2009 at 10:25 AM. Reason : ]

8/5/2009 10:23:44 AM

no, but if there was someone up in space advanced enough to oversee us, then I would think that they would eventually overtake us and take over the world

its all natural selection man, we run shit because no other species has figured out a way to overthrow us, thus we can do whatever we want with no repercussions (I'm using that word lightly and not trying to step into the global warming, the earth is dying, chicken little argument)

[Edited on August 5, 2009 at 10:27 AM. Reason : ads]

8/5/2009 10:25:28 AM

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"If every other species where decimated by the efficient hunting of one particular species, that would create unreasonable damage to the continued evolution of life on earth."

No, it wouldn't. Evolution continues. Hell, I could argue that more efficient hunting is helping evolution by speeding up natural selection. Right now the whales that are the fittest to survive are the ones who swim away from boats, especially the boat that just blew up their friend Carl.

8/5/2009 10:31:48 AM

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"we run shit because no other species has figured out a way to overthrow us, thus we can do whatever we want with no repercussions"

Well, not without any repercussions, but your point in generally correct. And it's unfortunate that some humans have and continue to abuse that power. But still, the fact that we currently "run shit" doesn't mean that the earth belongs to us...

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"Did the earth belong to the dinosaurs at one point? Did it belong to single-cell aquatic life? "

^
The continued evolution of life on earth as we know it. Again, if we cease to value the planet and the life it contains, then sure... universally, it doesn't matter if we kill everything, including ourselves. But how the fuck could anyone expect that notion to be defended? We don't even like endangering animals. And still, that doesn't explain why the earth belongs to us.

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"speeding up natural selection."

Wow. You must really not understand evolution and natural selection. Speed it up? What the fuck? It's all arbitrary, dude. Everything is only here out of random luck... Why would you think that a faster rate of natural selection would imply anything better?

[Edited on August 5, 2009 at 10:39 AM. Reason : ]

8/5/2009 10:32:16 AM

it doesnt "belong" to anyone, it just is dominated by certain species at different points in time. The dinosaurs ruled the earth at one point by being the most dominant species, so I guess you could loosely say the earth "belonged" to them

hell, some strain of bacteria could come along that wipes out the human species and the rest of the planet, so by default that bacteria would run the planet until it is overthrown.

I dont think that there is a title put on anything or anyone, humans dont stake ownership per se in the planet, even though we utilize more of the Earth's resources than any other species

8/5/2009 10:36:33 AM

ALL YOUR EARTH ARE BELONG TO I


Why, you might ask? BECAUSE I SAY SO.

8/5/2009 10:37:35 AM

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"it doesnt "belong" to anyone"

Exactly.

8/5/2009 10:41:41 AM

well I meant that as there is no title specifically given to anyone, even though the human species does, in effect, own the planet

I think we agree on the point, we just have different ways of getting there

8/5/2009 10:46:23 AM

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"The continued evolution of life on earth as we know it."

Survival of the fittest is evolution as we know it.

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"And still, that doesn't explain why the earth belongs to us."

It wasn't supposed to. That has already been explained many times over on this page.

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"Speed it up? What the fuck? It's all arbitrary, dude."

Dude, like totally. Natural selection favors more evasive prey and increased predation puts increased pressure on less evasive prey.

[Edited on August 5, 2009 at 11:03 AM. Reason : .]

8/5/2009 11:02:26 AM

You could continue to argue that the earth does or doesn't belong to us. But motherfuck the moon, that bitch does belong to the humans and Mars is next!

8/5/2009 11:07:59 AM

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"The continued evolution of life on earth as we know it."

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"Survival of the fittest is evolution as we know it."

Not evolution as we know it. Life as we know it. "The continued evolution of....... life-on-earth-as-we-know-it."

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"It wasn't supposed to. That has already been explained many times over on this page"

No, it hasn't. All that's been claimed is that humans are the smartest, they rule other species, etc. ...none of which I disagree with. However, none of that makes the earth belong to us. Period.

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"Dude, like totally. Natural selection favors more evasive prey and increased predation puts increased pressure on less evasive prey."

Right, so? The speed of natural selection is irrelevant.

8/5/2009 11:08:49 AM

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"The continued evolution of life on earth as we know it."

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"Survival of the fittest is evolution as we know it."

Not evolution as we know it. Life as we know it. "The continued evolution of....... life-on-earth-as-we-know-it."

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"It wasn't supposed to. That has already been explained many times over on this page"

No, it hasn't. All that's been claimed is that humans are the smartest, they rule other species, etc. ...none of which I disagree with. However, none of that makes the earth belong to us. Period.

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"Dude, like totally. Natural selection favors more evasive prey and increased predation puts increased pressure on less evasive prey."

Right, so? The speed of natural selection is irrelevant. It doesn't have to be "faster" to have increased predation...

8/5/2009 11:09:49 AM