if butch davis had russel wilson they'd be undefeated. they don't play foolish defense.

10/3/2009 9:30:24 PM

would you just stfu and stop trolling

10/3/2009 10:27:29 PM

the bad thing is next season our who from 4 DL is gone, so we might suck not only in the secondary but also the front 4....along with the fact that our ST sucks ass. I think the ST will costs us at least 3 games.

10/4/2009 12:20:52 AM

cheer up. winning the next 4 games isn't out of the question. plus we always go on some mid/late season streak. here it comes. we gotta learn from our mistakes somehow. might as well do it early.

10/4/2009 10:18:03 AM

ya but sucking for the first half of every season is not going to fly for long...

10/4/2009 10:42:00 AM

^Who exactly would we get that's a better coach to TOB? People seem to think this is some premiere football university when it isn't.

10/4/2009 11:08:09 AM

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"plus we always go on some mid/late season streak"

we started 9-0 and went on a late season streak awhile back

really, last year and the years before dont mean shit for this year

10/4/2009 11:13:26 AM

i dunno, trial and error? TOB hasn't really ever done anything anyway. What makes him so great?

Watching our games, I can't see anything I would say is good about him. All three sides of the ball still have major issues in technique and strategy. We don't even playcall "to win" until we're down 2 scores in the second half. The only reason we've won anything is because of Wilson and Brown and he only seems to be holding Wilson back from his dual threat.

10/4/2009 11:15:24 AM

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"TOB hasn't really ever done anything anyway. What makes him so great? "

Come on. Be fair. He was the head coach at the biggest bunch of chokers in college sports at BCU. Shit, they had a backup corner back run train on them to the tune of 200 yards rushing and 4 TDs when all they needed to do was win a game against a porous Syracuse team with no QB and a fourth string RB.

10/4/2009 11:18:39 AM

He took a mediocre BC team and turned them into a team that won 8+ games 5 times out of 6 years and won 5 straight bowl games?

10/4/2009 11:34:28 AM

mambagrl knows as much about football as i do about hockey

10/4/2009 11:41:30 AM

the grade a meltdowns going on by some here, and everyone on PackPride, are hilarious.

you win some and lose some people. what the fuck do you expect? 11-1? Jesus, we played a good Wake team at Wake. We all knew our D would be a weak point, and surprise, it is. and special teams are fucking us hard, too.

you guys just bought into all the hype about dark horse ACC contender, when its simply too early for us to be doing that yet.

We'll still have a solid season, and we'll get better from here.

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"We don't even playcall "to win" until we're down 2 scores in the second half."

what the fuck does this even mean you stupid bitch? lol

[Edited on October 4, 2009 at 12:26 PM. Reason : .]

10/4/2009 12:24:48 PM

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"ya but sucking for the first half of every season is not going to fly for long..."

a truth in the midst of trolling.

the fact that we managed to finish 6-6 from a 2-6 start last season doesn't make starting 3-2 good news this season. not that tob is going anywhere, but a slow start every year is not encouraging.

10/4/2009 12:30:04 PM

^^I think the most frustrating thing is that the things we suck at are things we can control (for the most part). I agree we're still a good team, but if we improve on a few things, who knows how good we could be.

-If our special teams execution wasn't horrible.
-If we wrap up on our tackles
-If RW is a little more decisive is the pocket, and tucks a runs instead of drifting backward
-If we don't murder ourselves with penalties

10/4/2009 12:41:46 PM

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"the bad thing is next season our who from 4 DL is gone, so we might suck not only in the secondary but also the front 4....along with the fact that our ST sucks ass. I think the ST will costs us at least 3 games."

actually i bet the secondary will be decent in a year or two. all the best players in it are freshmen and I think both walkons that play big minutes back there will be gone after this year

as for the DL next year we will have Lemon and...uh...Sweezy? ugh, really couldve used one of those big time DEs we were after the last couple years

10/4/2009 12:45:44 PM

People still have faith in NC State. I knew going into yesterday that we were in for trouble. Wake lost a heartbreaker to BC we expended a lot of energy in a close win against Pitt.

The Special Teams have been our glaring weakness all season, especially kick off and punt coverage, though TJ Graham has been a huge disappointment this season. The Defense had some bad plays, the blown coverage on Marshall Williams first TD the man covering that area slipped. Archer's D was a problem last year but unfortunately we don't have the athletes to play straight up man to man so we must play zone.

Russell Wilson made some bad throws, the first INT should never have been thrown and cost us the game. I know they didn't score after that interception but it threw the offense out of rhythm. The run game was extremely weak with very little big yardage. This was a team loss, but we have Duke next week and we will be extra motivated now.

10/4/2009 1:05:53 PM

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"I think the most frustrating thing is that the things we suck at are things we can control (for the most part)."

I've seen statements like this and similar ones to the affect of "we're losing because of things that should be corrected by the coaches". I'm curious, other than injuries and talent, what are examples of things that can't be controlled or fixed by good coaching?

10/4/2009 1:21:33 PM

"coaching" and recruiting are often divided when talking about coaches

for instance, TOB cant change the fact that bobby floyd is a walk on white DB. he probably can help him learn to wrap up a guy 5 yards before the first down marker, though

10/4/2009 1:42:04 PM

still credible.

10/4/2009 1:43:52 PM

i dunno if you should put bobby floyd's inability to bring down that guy on TOB

you think there's some magical tackling form that we're just not teaching our players?

Floyd has been around for a long fucking time, he has made big plays before, he should know what to do. The lack of execution there comes down to him, not the staff.

[Edited on October 4, 2009 at 1:46 PM. Reason : still credible, you fucking douchebags.]

10/4/2009 1:45:44 PM

still credible

10/4/2009 1:49:57 PM

All of you people need to calm down. Good Lord.

Gregg Doyel will have a field day.

10/4/2009 1:51:54 PM

i still find it funny people didn't believe me 6 years ago when i said coaching wasn't why we got penalties doing stupid shit. I'm not sure anything could have made that more evident than switching from Chuck to marine extraordinaire TOB and still getting the same dumb shit penalties.

When our players fuck up and do dumb shit ala miss tackles or get false start penalties etc... it's their fault.

[Edited on October 4, 2009 at 2:35 PM. Reason : .]

10/4/2009 2:31:42 PM

this thread should be locked. TOB is a good coach, who the fuck else do you want? Bob Stoops? Urban Meyer? Jesus titty motherfucking christ

10/4/2009 2:41:21 PM

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"Come on. Be fair. He was the head coach at the biggest bunch of chokers in college sports at BCU. Shit, they had a backup corner back run train on them to the tune of 200 yards rushing and 4 TDs when all they needed to do was win a game against a porous Syracuse team with no QB and a fourth string RB."

How is this post anything other than evidence of TOB being a subpar coach?

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"He took a mediocre BC team and turned them into a team that won 8+ games 5 times out of 6 years and won 5 straight bowl games? "

so thats our goal? 8 wins best case scenario?

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"we played a good Wake team at Wake."

are you kidding me? wake is neither good or a hostile environment. if we can't win against an average team because of a fair atmosphere God help us @vt

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""We don't even playcall "to win" until we're down 2 scores in the second half." what the fuck does this even mean you stupid bitch? lol"

go back and watch the last few games and you will notice that the moment we get down by 2 scores, we magically start moving the ball quickly down the field instead of calling draws every first and second down giving us 1 play for wilson to sit there 10 seconds and throw the ball out of bounds so we can punt it 15 yards

our play calling should be pass heavy/wilson scrambling with a rare run until we get a large lead.

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"If we wrap up on our tackles"

tacklings all about position. its easy to make a guy miss when you have 10 yards between you to make up a move. putting the players in position to make plays goes on archer.

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"If RW is a little more decisive is the pocket, and tucks a runs instead of drifting backward "

problem is, until we're out of the game a large percentage of our passes take place on 3rd and long. playcalling.

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"If our special teams execution wasn't horrible. "

practice or change that formation we don't know how to play. so much pressure gets there that the punter can't punt right.

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"actually i bet the secondary will be decent in a year or two. all the best players in it are freshmen and I think both walkons that play big minutes back there will be gone after this year"

wake forest only completed a handfull of passes downfield into the secondary. it doesn't matter who you have. if you play prevent you will get picked apart. We let them hike/throw to the wide open wr at the los all game.

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"When our players fuck up and do dumb shit ala miss tackles or get false start penalties etc... it's their fault. "

wow. the players are the coaches responsibility. he picks who plays on the team and who goes on the field. its called Discipline

[Edited on October 4, 2009 at 3:02 PM. Reason : watch preplay our entire secondary is playing deep prevent coverage all game]

10/4/2009 2:59:09 PM

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"so thats our goal? 8 wins best case scenario?"

Oddly enough, 8+ means 8 or more not 8. Being able to get 8+ wins a season at a smaller Jesuit school up in New England is impressive. The hope is, with time, he can recruit better down here and get better long-term results. Or we can "trial and error" and go back to having no chance of having a good football team as per usual.

10/4/2009 3:05:18 PM

I wish I could be ruler of all things internet so I could release PSA's every hour about trolls and how to deal with them

[Edited on October 4, 2009 at 3:23 PM. Reason : seriously, when will you people learn?]

10/4/2009 3:17:32 PM

i don't believe in prevent defense. i would never use it if i was a coach

10/4/2009 3:30:05 PM

i don't believe in prevent defense. i would never use it if i was a coach

10/4/2009 3:30:05 PM

why does everyone have such unreal expectations about our season? here are our recent season results:
2008 6-7
2007 5-7
2006 3-9
2005 7-5
2004 5-6


you people think we should be guaranteed 8+ wins this season. TOB wasn't just trying to get our players fired up when he said that we are NOT a good football team. We are competitive; all of our wins and losses have been close (exception of I-AA). We have potential to be a good team. Some people don't realize we wont get 10 wins in a season overnight and TOB is showing progression in getting better every year (even not in terms of W-L)

at least we didn't lose to a pathetic (at best) Virginia team. Wake is not a bad team and Skinner has the experience and potential to have big games. Grobe is a good coach as well.

10/4/2009 3:35:13 PM

Right now I am just looking for improvement in

Tackling,
Penalties,
Catching.

If we can improve that, we should do well.

10/4/2009 3:46:41 PM

^^it has nothing to do with losing. its the WAY you lose.

10/4/2009 3:56:58 PM

whats that post blocker thing again? I need it so I can block ^ that shit

10/4/2009 4:03:09 PM

^^unfortunately I can't look back at those previous records and remember HOW we lost each game.

in the end all that matters is the Wins vs Losses. Sure I remember losing a 3OT thriller at Ohio State, but when people look at our record for that year they dont see it.

All I'm saying is our wins have not been impressive blowouts and our losses have not been blowouts either (for the most part). We are competitive but not at the level some people think we should be at this season

10/4/2009 4:50:43 PM

We're gonna be fine. We're doing exactly what TOB said we'd do this year, which is be competetive in EVERY game. He didn't say we'd go undefeated, i swear some of you people are functionally retarded when it comes to sports. So far, the two games we've lost could have been won in the last 5 minutes.

We simply don't have a 10win team. We really don't have a conference contender. If we do win the conference it will be because the other teams are so bad. We are not at the level yet, personnel-wise to blow people out and stomp them into the ground but its coming. Good QB's like Skinner are supposed to beat young/inexperienced secondaries. RW lit up their secondary a good bit too yesterday.

But its really frustrating to come on these boards and just read the jump-ship mentality after a loss, EVERY TIME. I know i know, don't read it right, but its still being written.

10/4/2009 5:22:37 PM

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"wake forest only completed a handfull of passes downfield into the secondary. it doesn't matter who you have. if you play prevent you will get picked apart. We let them hike/throw to the wide open wr at the los all game."

holy shit you mean wake forest ran wake forest's offense? theyve done that for years and beaten better defenses than ours with it

10/4/2009 5:33:06 PM

^so we knew wake would be doing this and STILL didn't incorperate stopping it into our gameplan? that makes it 10x worse.

10/4/2009 5:48:51 PM

I absolutely wouldn't put this loss on o'brien. The defense (minus the line) was horrible. The special teams was a disgrace. TJ Graham isn't even running hard this year and we can't cover a kick to save our lives.

I can't believe how bad our running game is. Just stop wasting plays on offense. Baker and Eugene are below average backs and our run blocking stinks.

RW had all the time in the world yesterday but he just couldn't make things happen consistently. He has to start running when he has that kind of space, our receivers aren't good at getting open and he doesn't have the arm to make people pay when they are. The reason he's a great QB is because of his threat to run the ball. Once he shys away from that he becomes only a good QB, and that's not enough for us to win most games.

10/4/2009 6:02:34 PM

41-10

Still credible.

10/4/2009 6:06:58 PM

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"He has to start running when he has that kind of space"

This needs to be drilled into his head. Anyone at the game yesterday could see that he had a TON of running room on nearly every pass play. The few times he was forced to take off, good things happened. Wake's defense was giving him all the room in the world to run ... he just didn't make them pay for it.

10/4/2009 7:57:46 PM

good grief...calm down guys..

yes, Russell had an off day.....2 ints from him is unheard of! One was a bad decision to throw, one was a good decision, just way off target.....this is not something we have not seen from Russell in the past.

Our team wins and loses with Russell.....we dont have a good enough team to win most games if hes not making plays.

Offense wins games, defense wins championships......It was the same story when Rivers was here and we had to outscore people to win. Our defensive line is above average, the linebackers and DB's need major work.....we knew this at the beginning of the year.

And to further back up ^ and ^^, in both games we lost this year, Russell didnt RUN THE BALL.

The penalties......killed us this game. This is not a trademark of TOB teams, so the evidence points away from TOB.

10/4/2009 8:19:51 PM

I like how when we lose this thread always floats at the top and when we win the "church of russelobrien" thread takes its place. aaaaaahahaha

10/4/2009 8:25:33 PM

Yep. BOAST BOAST BOAST.....BLAME BLAME BLAME. Wash, rinse, and repeat over and over.

My God people TOB is still cleaning shit up from Chuck. Things take time. We went 5-7 and 6-7 the past two years and this year you expected 9-3 or something that quick? I think 7-5 with this year's team would be good and 8-4 would be great.

10/4/2009 10:55:17 PM

i dont usually agree with you but that's spot on

10/4/2009 10:57:20 PM

after nate went down i expected 7-5

but the problem with "cleaning up amato's mess" is when players are still doing stupid amato shit. so many fucking penalties. WRs and RW dont always seem to be on the same page when it comes to option routes, the special teams unit being very special...

the secondary being a mess can be blamed on that i guess. there's a gaping hole between the shitty upper classmen and the talented freshmen. maybe there's some good players in between without a coaching transition

10/4/2009 11:41:55 PM

^^^ agreed.

10/4/2009 11:43:49 PM

this thread is awesome

10/5/2009 12:06:58 AM

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"We really don't have a conference contender. If we do win the conference it will be because the other teams are so bad."

A depressing statement considering the conference we're in. The other teams are that bad, or at the very least there isn't a clear front runner. Sometimes it seems like any slightly above average team (that is consistent) could run the ACC table.

Yeah, 7-5 would be a good year for this team. Not really looking forward to the Duke and UNC games though. Is our opponent capable of running a screen pass? Can they run it every down? Watch out!



[Edited on October 5, 2009 at 7:24 AM. Reason : -]

10/5/2009 7:21:11 AM

they should just let the top 2 coastal teams play for the championship. it will probably be Maryland or BC or us.

10/5/2009 9:59:27 AM

BTTT

10/10/2009 6:43:07 PM