how in the hell? I thought that "S" was much more "just the facts" than "N"?

3/11/2010 12:00:26 AM

For this page:

I haven't recalculated since the last few people were added in, but Extroverts averaged 9000 more posts per person than Introverts.

Link to take test:
http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp



ENFJ: AxlBonBach, mambagrl
INFJ: jcs1283
ENFP: Spontaneous
INFP: GoldenViper, BridgetSPK
ENTJ: Supplanter, Marko, GrumpyGOP, IMStoned420, Hooksaw, bcvaugha, wolfpackgrrr, eyedrb
INTJ: Shaggy, Mr. Joshua, 1337 b4k4, d357r0y3r, lazarus, A Tanzarian, EarthDogg, Solinari, Lumex, stevedude
ENTP: sarijoul, ssjamind
INTP: Boone, adultswim, moron, God, tromboner950, Kurtis636, Socks``
ESTJ: BobbyDigital
ISTJ: umbrellaman, pack_bryan
ESFJ: Wlfpk4Life
ISFJ: LunaK
ESTP: theDuke866
ISTP: nutsmackr
ESFP:
ISFP:


^My professor would agree with you. The one that got me thinking about this and creating this thread, also wrote a book in part about myers-briggs and does myers-briggs as a part of the marriage counseling services that he and his wife do together. He says that vast majority of engineers are S rather than N.

He did an interesting exercise in class today with him and his wife. Everyone's homework was to take the myers-briggs test, and come to class knowing your type. The wife took all the S students with her to another room, and the N students stayed with him. Both the wife and the professor presented their students with an Apple and said talk. And anything the student said ended up as a list on the board.

The S people had red, shiny, small, bar code #1308, and lots of other descriptors of the apple. It was a relatively short, but very here and now accurate description of what was in front of them.

The N people had apple cider alcohol, apple pie, crafts you can make out of apples, some common saying using apples, apple baseball, festivals involving apples, references to apples in literature, William Tell, but mostly things you could do or make with apples. Us N students had a much longer list, but we had never bothered to pick up the apple (not very engineer-like), or notice it even had a sticker with a bar code on it.

[Edited on March 11, 2010 at 12:28 AM. Reason : .]

3/11/2010 12:27:01 AM

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3/11/2010 12:40:24 AM

^^ that chart you have puts Ns as engineers. I guess though that sort-of represents the split between your design vs implementation engineers or theoretical vs experimental physicists.

And what you seem to be saying is that the Ses spent 15 minutes figuring out that the apple was red and an apple, while the Ns used this as their baseline...?

[Edited on March 11, 2010 at 1:08 AM. Reason : ]

3/11/2010 1:04:29 AM

exactly... the N's were busy trying to figure out what they could do with the apple

the S's just sat there like dull laggards.

3/11/2010 7:03:07 AM

as an "N" engineer at a research facility, there are actually quite a few N's i would imagine simply because my place of work requires coming up with new things. but we certainly have our fair share of "this is how it works and that's that" type of people too. meetings are often arguments between the think outside the box sorts and the conventional sorts.

3/11/2010 7:29:48 AM

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""this is how it works and that's that""

isn't an engineering personality, IMHO. Sounds more like a technician.

Engineers are problem solvers.

3/11/2010 7:45:50 AM

No, I would argue that "this is how it works and that's that" is absolutely an engineer's mindset.

There are preferences when it comes to what trade-offs you want to make, etc, but engineering is essentially boiled down to equations.

Engineers are indeed problem solvers, but it's a matter of properly analyzing the problem and then determining the best way to attack it. Like I said, it pretty much comes down to a bunch of equations and data--the difference between an engineer and a calculator is that (a) the engineer knows how to properly apply and interpret the numbers and equations, and (b) concessions and compromises must inevitably be made, and the engineer makes those judgement calls.

[Edited on March 11, 2010 at 7:06 PM. Reason : ]

3/11/2010 7:04:08 PM

Before I took it I was going to post to say I typically straddle E/INTJ on these tests. This one I came up INTJ.

# slightly expressed introvert
# moderately expressed intuitive personality
# distinctively expressed thinking personality
# very expressed judging personality

3/11/2010 7:17:06 PM

^^ well... not the engineering that I do, but ok.

Maybe civil engineering or some other pussy shit is like that.

3/11/2010 9:51:00 PM

what sort of engineering do you do?

3/11/2010 10:17:04 PM

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"^^ well... not the engineering that I do, but ok. Maybe civil engineering or some other pussy shit is like that."

haha engineers are such small dicked little shits

nobody gives a fuck what kind of engineering you do, and no it's not "better" than any other kind of engineering

3/11/2010 10:20:44 PM

tech support for a large software enterprise edition... you would recognize it if I told u the name.... Has nothing to do with formulas. There is a TON of problem solving. Its not just consumer tech support... have to support on-call when a couple of hours of downtime mean the difference between profitability or not. Anyway, probably TMI but you get the picture.

3/11/2010 10:26:32 PM

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"The S people had red, shiny, small, bar code #1308, and lots of other descriptors of the apple. It was a relatively short, but very here and now accurate description of what was in front of them. The N people had apple cider alcohol, apple pie, crafts you can make out of apples, some common saying using apples, apple baseball, festivals involving apples, references to apples in literature, William Tell, but mostly things you could do or make with apples. Us N students had a much longer list, but we had never bothered to pick up the apple (not very engineer-like), "

The N people all listed something they wanted to create from an apple. The S group only described the apple. That's proof that the N group are the engineers.

You don't have to pick up an apple to know it's an apple. All you're going to accomplish by picking up the apple is getting the stomach virus that your classmates have. Your professor is probably an S type and is just trying to justify himself as an engineer.

3/11/2010 11:13:04 PM

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"No, I would argue that "this is how it works and that's that" is absolutely an engineer's mindset. "

that's the mindset of a really shitty engineer. Good engineers innovate; they see opportunities to make improvements or reduce costs and seize them. They are always questioning if there is a better way to do things than the way they were done before.

If your job can be boiled down to running a bunch of equations, then you're just a technician posing as an engineer.

3/11/2010 11:30:02 PM

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"that's the mindset of a really shitty engineer. Good engineers innovate; they see opportunities to make improvements or reduce costs and seize them. They are always questioning if there is a better way to do things than the way they were done before. "

I think that's too harsh of an estimate.

Some engineers need to be visionary and innovate, and some have to make sure what they have stays working as best as they can.

3/11/2010 11:40:51 PM

^ yes, and keeping something running is a technicians job.

3/12/2010 9:25:41 AM

I think we're putting a little too much stake in this personality test.

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"that's the mindset of a really shitty engineer. Good engineers innovate; they see opportunities to make improvements or reduce costs and seize them. They are always questioning if there is a better way to do things than the way they were done before. "

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"Some engineers need to be visionary and innovate, and some have to make sure what they have stays working as best as they can."

None of these things are mutually exclusive.

3/12/2010 9:34:16 AM

^ you're 100% correct.

However, the statement below is definitely mutually exclusive to your two quoted statements:

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""this is how it works and that's that" is absolutely an engineer's mindset."

[Edited on March 12, 2010 at 10:12 AM. Reason : s]

3/12/2010 10:12:20 AM

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"Good engineers innovate"

yes, true. they can be good.

however, the best engineers are persistent. but i'm sure you already knew that being the 'smarter' N type.

In my group of 20-30 engineers we all did this 'test' and it's true. S types are persistent little fuckers that get the job done and always on time. N types give up after they exhaust their 'creative bullshit' side. Prove me wrong here. Not hating on S types, just noting reality and actual evidence.

3/12/2010 11:10:39 AM

I don't know... I was the only guy in my senior design lab working every freaking day for the whole semester until the last week when all the other kids came running in last minute. I'm pretty dedicated... Can't speak for your "n" friends.

3/12/2010 11:43:35 AM

^^your retarded observations don't count as actuality. You're the one trying to argue that the myers briggs test is wrong while at the same time trying to promote how accurate the test is.

FWIW, the S types in my office couldn't complete a project on time if their life depended on it. It's a testament to their time management skills, not their personality. There's a difference between personality, intellect, and competence. Don't get them confused.

The part I find funny about your professor's comments is that I sat through an entire lecture with Dr. Townsend in E100 and Dr. Hatice Ozturk in E303 covering myer's briggs personality tests. Both of them commented that if you weren't in the "NT" group, you should consider switching majors because there is a good chance you won't be happy doing engineering for a career choice.

[Edited on March 12, 2010 at 12:26 PM. Reason : teachers]

3/12/2010 12:21:59 PM

^no

but there you go spewing more of your creativity and female-esque opinionated bullshit.

but yeh complete bullshit:
http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=778557&hl=Ninety-five-percent-of-engineers-are-ISTJ-What-type-are-you-(link-goes-to-Myers-Briggs)



[Edited on March 12, 2010 at 1:44 PM. Reason : .]

3/12/2010 1:36:58 PM

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"Both of them commented that if you weren't in the "NT" group, you should consider switching majors because there is a good chance you won't be happy doing engineering for a career choice."

That is spot on... I am passionate about my work and even go so far as working overtime on certain problems simply for the fun of solving the problem.

There are others that I work with who view it as a chore and can't stand engineering work....

3/12/2010 1:40:48 PM

I just wanted to share that engineers are the only people I've met who make a big deal about the personality types in their careers. I've had engineers draw impromptu flow charts on cocktail napkins illustrating how unique and special their approach to problem-solving is. Nobody else does this stuff to this extreme, which I guess kinda proves y'all are a weird bunch.

And pack_bryan, we're not tryna say all S types are dumb and shit. Just you and Wlfpk4Life.

3/12/2010 1:48:32 PM

"we"

lol. intjs and their 'need for team approval' justification for all things

this explains why their deficiencies with womenz? yes

3/12/2010 2:07:46 PM

i've taken this several times at various times in my life (once or twice a year since i discovered it in high school) - i've almost always been ENTP.

..once in a while i'll score an ENTJ - while i'm still ENTP 95% of the time, i will score ENTJ every now and then. over time, my T has also moved closer towards F, and will likely make the full move within a couple of decades.

i have however, remained overwhelmingly and unflinchingly and E and an N since my first time taking.

3/12/2010 2:58:25 PM

^^Is English your first language?

3/12/2010 3:35:44 PM

^^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENTP

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"Dominant: Extraverted intuition (Ne) Ne finds and interprets hidden meanings, using “what if” questions to explore alternatives, allowing multiple possibilities to coexist. This imaginative play weaves together insights and experiences from various sources to form a new whole, which can then become a catalyst to action.[20] Ne allows the ENTP to effortlessly identify complex interrelationships between ideas, people, and things that are often invisible to most other personality types.[21]"

3/12/2010 3:39:48 PM

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"And pack_bryan, we're not tryna say all S types are dumb and shit. Just you and Wlfpk4Life."

Wow BridgetSPK that's like Rosie O'Donnell calling somebody fat and ugly.

And seriously, if you need a personality test in order to pound on your chest and feel better about your lot in life then it goes to show just how pathetic you are to begin with.



[Edited on March 12, 2010 at 4:49 PM. Reason : I'll be nice...]

3/12/2010 4:45:11 PM

Pounding on my chest? What are you talking about?

I was just repeating what Boone said because I agree with his sentiments:

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"Boone: And I'm surprised that the bottom half isn't exclusively dumb people. Wlfpk4Life and pack_bryan are representin', though."

Why don't you take it personally and tell him how fat and ugly he is?



By the way, have we, like, met before? You are always so angry at me. I mean, if I fucked your boyfriend or something, just know that I'm really sorry.

3/12/2010 5:08:19 PM

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"http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=778557&hl=Ninety-five-percent-of-engineers-are-ISTJ-What-type-are-you-(link-goes-to-Myers-Briggs)"

your source is a forum question posted on Fark? WTF kid?

ISTJ is the most common personality type, so you'd expect them to represent an disproportionate amount of any group they work in. I can't find anything to document a 95% claim anywhere, and it doesn't pass the common sense test.

3/12/2010 5:16:22 PM

Hmm, how interesting that two of the people with whom I most staunchly disagree are INFPs. Not overly surprising since I typically score almost 100% Thinking vs. Feeling.

The only thing that waivers occasionally on mine is Perceiving vs. Judging. I occasionally score as an INTJ. Over the course of time I have slowly become less introverted as I have consistently been placed in leadership roles throughout my career.

3/12/2010 5:17:43 PM

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"Why don't you take it personally and tell him how fat and ugly he is?"

I'm not saying you're ugly or fat, because I don't really know or care what you look like.

I usually ignore Boone because frankly if I wanted to read the rantings of a blathering moron I would read the Daily Kos. My apologies for not calling out the originator of the insult, though for some reason you felt compelled to repeat it in a rather cunty and unprovoked fashion.

And like I said, some people are taking this whole personality thing way too seriously. It's not a perfect indicator, and I think it's stupid to pigeonhole yourself or others, especially if it's done to make you feel better about who you are.



[Edited on March 12, 2010 at 5:24 PM. Reason : ]

3/12/2010 5:21:52 PM

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"I know these type tests have popped up else where on Tdub in the past, but I'd be interested to see if there are any trends among soapbox regulars. And it'll be nice to have a thread where we don't have to debate anything, and can just talk about results."

Wrongville - Population: Supplanter

ENFJ: AxlBonBach, mambagrl
INFJ: jcs1283
ENFP: Spontaneous
INFP: GoldenViper, BridgetSPK
ENTJ: Supplanter, Marko, GrumpyGOP, IMStoned420, Hooksaw, bcvaugha, wolfpackgrrr, eyedrb, MaximaDrvr
INTJ: Shaggy, Mr. Joshua, 1337 b4k4, d357r0y3r, lazarus, A Tanzarian, EarthDogg, Solinari, Lumex, stevedude, AngryOldMan
ENTP: sarijoul, ssjamind
INTP: Boone, adultswim, moron, God, tromboner950, Kurtis636, Socks``
ESTJ: BobbyDigital
ISTJ: umbrellaman, pack_bryan
ESFJ: Wlfpk4Life
ISFJ: LunaK
ESTP: theDuke866
ISTP: nutsmackr
ESFP:
ISFP:

One thing I maybe should have made clear early on is that introvert here does not relate necessarily to shyness at all. One can go to parties every weekend, take up leadership positions at work, and still score introvert. It is just which winds you up and which draws on your energy.

3/12/2010 5:24:12 PM

Right, I used to be pretty heavily introverted and incredibly uncomfortable dealing with group work, group presentations, etc. Now I still dislike it and would prefer one on one meetings, doing my own fucking projects so I'm not pulling dead weight, and frankly would prefer not to have to deal with the rest of you, but I can handle it. My basic preference for introspection and less socialization is not going to change, but I apparently "hide my introversion well." That particular area is not as strongly expressed and what used to be a stumbling block for me in many ways is not one any more.

3/12/2010 5:28:51 PM

ENFJ: AxlBonBach, mambagrl
INFJ: jcs1283
ENFP: Spontaneous
INFP: GoldenViper, BridgetSPK
ENTJ: Supplanter, Marko, GrumpyGOP, IMStoned420, Hooksaw, bcvaugha, wolfpackgrrr, eyedrb, MaximaDrvr
INTJ: Shaggy, Mr. Joshua, 1337 b4k4, d357r0y3r, lazarus, A Tanzarian, EarthDogg, Solinari, Lumex, stevedude, AngryOldMan, eleusis
ENTP: sarijoul, ssjamind
INTP: Boone, adultswim, moron, God, tromboner950, Kurtis636, Socks``
ESTJ: BobbyDigital
ISTJ: umbrellaman, pack_bryan
ESFJ: Wlfpk4Life
ISFJ: LunaK
ESTP: theDuke866
ISTP: nutsmackr
ESFP:
ISFP:

3/12/2010 7:48:19 PM

there are no opposites to INTJ

3/12/2010 8:52:14 PM

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"One can go to parties every weekend, take up leadership positions at work, and still score introvert. It is just which winds you up and which draws on your energy."

To elaborate on what you're saying: As I understand it, I vs E has a lot to do with the directions of one's thoughts as well... if someone is often mentally questioning themselves or thinking about something they could do or have done, they're leaning towards I. On the other hand, an E would be focused more on the behavior and concerns of others and their relationships with others. In some ways, I tends towards developing abstract thoughts in their own head while E tends towards thought that affects or directly applies to the world around them... though I'm fairly certain that the abstract vs practical difference is covered even more heavily by other personality aspects besides I and E.

3/13/2010 9:27:43 AM

For comparison I integrated the results of this thread with the subsequent one eleusis started in chat chat. Here is a comparison of the full results vs the soap box results.

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" ENFJ: petejames, Jammngurl16, saps852, Jaybee1200, mambagrl, AxlBonBach, OsuAml, Samwise16 INFJ: bottombaby, AxlBonBach, jcs1283, Joie, tartsquid, kiljadn, mcfluffle, marlndarln ENFP: Spontaneous, twoozles, ArcBoyeee, khcadwal, Ribs INFP: ashley_grl, GoldenViper, BridgetSPK, TotalEclipse ENTJ:Supplanter, marko, GrumpyGOP, IMStoned420, hooksaw, bcvaugha, eyedrb, MaximaDrvr, EMCE, paerabol, Jrb599, wolfpackgrrr, Stimwalt, Mindstorm, Fareako, NC86, Walter, TenaciousC, Arab13 INTJ: BigMan157, eleusis, SuperDude, Shaggy, NeuseRvrRat, Mr. Joshua, 1337 b4k4, d357r0y3r, lazarus, A Tanzarian, EarthDogg, Solinari, Lumex, stevedude, AngryOldMan, SchndlrsFist, hollister, ScHpEnXeL, Flying Tiger, ThePeter, zorthage, FykalJpn ENTP: DJ Lauren, pilgrimshoes, sarijoul, ssjamind, lucyinthesky, dustm, Metricula INTP: joe_schmoe, MCEscher, God, DjGohan, Boone, adultswim, moron, tromboner950, Kurtis636, Socks``,Quinn, wwwebsurfer, StillFuchsia, simonn, jcgolden ESTJ: jataylor, One, BobbyDigital, H8R, DROD900 ISTJ: catalyst, JeffreyBSG, umbrellaman, pack_bryan, occamsrezr, Masskki22, ShinAntonio, thegoodlife3 ESFJ: Wordsworth, CassTheSass, Wlfpk4Life, Wadhead1, elkaybie ISFJ: LunaK, RawWulf,thegoodoctor ESTP: theDuke866, begonias, goalielax, skankinande, banjoman, Jax883 ISTP: dropdeadkate, Fermat, nutsmackr, BJCaudill21 ESFP:sawahash, skokiaan ISFP "

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" ENFJ: AxlBonBach, mambagrl INFJ: jcs1283 ENFP: Spontaneous INFP: GoldenViper, BridgetSPK ENTJ: Supplanter, Marko, GrumpyGOP, IMStoned420, Hooksaw, bcvaugha, wolfpackgrrr, eyedrb, MaximaDrvr INTJ: Shaggy, Mr. Joshua, 1337 b4k4, d357r0y3r, lazarus, A Tanzarian, EarthDogg, Solinari, Lumex, stevedude, AngryOldMan, eleusis ENTP: sarijoul, ssjamind INTP: Boone, adultswim, moron, God, tromboner950, Kurtis636, Socks`` ESTJ: BobbyDigital ISTJ: umbrellaman, pack_bryan ESFJ: Wlfpk4Life ISFJ: LunaK ESTP: theDuke866 ISTP: nutsmackr ESFP: ISFP: "

We seem to be a large percentage of tdub's NTJs.

3/17/2010 12:24:57 AM

Inventor (ENTP)

3/17/2010 8:43:34 AM

INTP.

I scored that on the full Meyers-Briggs, and all the internet spin-offs.





[Edited on March 17, 2010 at 12:00 PM. Reason : ]

3/17/2010 11:32:18 AM

ENTP

3/17/2010 4:16:54 PM

ENTP, The "Clever" Engineer. My job is primarily innovation, consultation, and judgment calls. I like the below description, which is very representative of my personality, per anyone that has actually known me well:

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"Profile: ENTP Revision: 3.0 "Clever" is the word that perhaps describes ENTPs best. The professor who juggles half a dozen ideas for research papers and grant proposals in his mind while giving a highly entertaining lecture on an abstruse subject is a classic example of the type. So is the stand-up comedian whose lampoons are not only funny, but incisively accurate. ENTPs are usually verbally as well as cerebrally quick, and generally love to argue--both for its own sake, and to show off their often-impressive skills. They tend to have a perverse sense of humor as well, and enjoy playing devil's advocate. They sometimes confuse, even inadvertently hurt, those who don't understand or accept the concept of argument as a sport. ENTPs are as innovative and ingenious at problem-solving as they are at verbal gymnastics; on occasion, however, they manage to outsmart themselves. This can take the form of getting found out at "sharp practice"--ENTPs have been known to cut corners without regard to the rules if it's expedient -- or simply in the collapse of an over-ambitious juggling act. Both at work and at home, ENTPs are very fond of "toys"--physical or intellectual, the more sophisticated the better. They tend to tire of these quickly, however, and move on to new ones. ENTPs are basically optimists, but in spite of this (perhaps because of it?), they tend to become extremely petulant about small setbacks and inconveniences. (Major setbacks they tend to regard as challenges, and tackle with determin- ation.) ENTPs have little patience with those they consider wrongheaded or unintelligent, and show little restraint in demonstrating this. However, they do tend to be extremely genial, if not charming, when not being harassed by life in general. In terms of their relationships with others, ENTPs are capable of bonding very closely and, initially, suddenly, with their loved ones. Some appear to be deceptively offhand with their nearest and dearest; others are so demonstrative that they succeed in shocking co-workers who've only seen their professional side. ENTPs are also good at acquiring friends who are as clever and entertaining as they are. Aside from those two areas, ENTPs tend to be oblivious of the rest of humanity, except as an audience -- good, bad, or potential. "

[Edited on March 17, 2010 at 4:33 PM. Reason : -]

3/17/2010 4:31:17 PM

Someone should do a scatter plot of the TWW personality types.

3/17/2010 4:42:40 PM

I'm no statistician....what would you use as the axes? There are 4 variables....I guess you could put all the different types on the horizontal and the # of each on the vertical, but then you'd just have a bar graph.

[Edited on March 17, 2010 at 4:48 PM. Reason : t]

3/17/2010 4:48:16 PM

Draw a 3D scatter plot with x,y, and z axes.

But make it a .gif, and have the frames/time represent the fourth axis.


That's how we INTPers roll.

3/17/2010 5:22:40 PM

the iNtuition group is dominating the soap box, if you consider the chit chat group to be a baseline representation of TWW.

3/17/2010 7:04:29 PM