^^ conservatives have set a new bar for outraged, maybe appalled.

3/26/2010 12:12:59 AM

What ever happened to relatively reasonable republicans?

3/26/2010 12:14:31 AM

^^^^ Or could it be possible that folks on the left listen to Rush / Beck et. al. to gain a balanced opinion. I am in no way outraged by their distorted opinions and to be honest, I've been listening/watching the wingnuts (Faux News, Rush, Beck, Hannity, Schnitt, Boortz etc.) in abundance since Sunday just to listen to them cry because their tears taste so sweet. Hell, I've actually found O'reilly and Jason Lewis to be far more acceptable in light of all of this.

[Edited on March 26, 2010 at 12:18 AM. Reason : .]

3/26/2010 12:18:38 AM

3/26/2010 3:33:03 AM

WTF when did pryderi come back

3/26/2010 7:54:32 AM

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"N/A Chit Chat did you miss me? twwpryderi 3/24/2010 1:38:57 PM"

3/26/2010 8:02:14 AM

For those who don't think what the elected officials in the party say matters, check this out. Hundreds of congressmen voted for health care reform. The most pro-life one of the bunch, the one that got the president to do an executive order reinforcing the hyde rule, is the one being targeted when there are so many more congressmen who are actually pro-choice. But this is the one everyone heard get called a BABY KILLER when yelled by a republican congressman.



Kind of amusing that these people are so pro-life that they want Stupak and his family dead.

[Edited on March 26, 2010 at 9:12 AM. Reason : .]

3/26/2010 9:08:47 AM

Democrats are trying to use a few nut-jobs in the rightwing as a smokescreen to prevent facing any discussion of the economic realities of this HC bill.

Obama and liberals are trying to frame the debate as one where his reform bill is the ONLY way to reform HC, And anyone who is for a different way is a dangerous violence-promoting crazy.

3/26/2010 11:00:31 AM

republicans overestimated their position. they lost. it's not a few nut-jobs out there. there are representatives and senators stirring people into a frenzy over this. you're just like the rest of the right who can't get over the fact you blew it and now want to take another tack to try and make the dems look bad.

[Edited on March 26, 2010 at 11:56 AM. Reason : .]

3/26/2010 11:48:34 AM

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"Democrats are trying to use a few nut-jobs in the rightwing as a smokescreen to prevent facing any discussion of the economic realities of this HC bill. Obama and liberals are trying to frame the debate as one where his reform bill is the ONLY way to reform HC, And anyone who is for a different way is a dangerous violence-promoting crazy."

3/26/2010 1:08:23 PM

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34959.html

Rep. Jim Moran (D-Va) nearly comes to blows with Tea Partiers. The only thing that stops him is his staff protecting the Tea Party protesters from Rep. Moran.

Apparently, he's got a bit of a reputation as a hot head.

3/26/2010 2:10:45 PM

Quote :

"Obama and liberals are trying to frame the debate"

"Here is what we want to do..."

"NO YOU ARE A BABY KILLER"

"So what's your idea?"

"DEATH PANEL"

"Nevermind..."

3/26/2010 2:43:10 PM

Some stories from the msnbc politics section
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553/ns/politics

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"Could the Tea Party hurt the GOP in the polls? Third party candidates could siphon votes from Republicans in November That's exactly what could be happening in Nevada, where Tea Party candidate Scott Ashjian could upset the GOP's chances of defeating Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in his reelection race. "

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"McCain enlists Palin in 2010 Senate fight Former GOP presidential candidate faces primary challenge from right McCain is fighting for his political life. Fending off a primary challenge from the right, the four-term Arizona senator is facing the toughest re-election campaign of his Senate career. "

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"GOP's Bennett battles conservative challengers Utah senator faces wave of opposition from the right in state convention Bennett, who is seeking fourth term, faces a wave of opposition from the right, and describes this campaign as the toughest of his career."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/24/tea-party-candidates-could-play-spoiler-role-says-poll/

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"Tea Party candidates could play spoiler role, says poll Washington (CNN) - Democrats will get a boost if the Tea Party movement fields its own candidates in this year's Congressional elections, according to a new national poll. A Quinnipiac University survey released Wednesday morning also indicates that the 13 percent of American voters who say they are part of the Tea Party movement tend to be mainly white and Republican."

And it was only a few months ago that the Tea Party gave the democratic party another seat in congress in a solidly republican district that never would have gone democratic otherwise.

3/26/2010 6:56:31 PM

Look what happened in NY's 23rd Congressional District. A Democrat won that seat for the 1st time in a century!

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" Democrat Owens beats Conservative Hoffman who Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh supported SARANAC LAKE, N.Y. - Conservatives who won a nasty battle to carry the GOP banner in upstate New York lost the war Tuesday night - surrendering a congressional seat held by Republicans for more than a century. Conservative Party insurgent Doug Hoffman, whose candidacy became a cause for Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh, conceded defeat to Democrat Bill Owens. With 88% of precincts counted, Owens led 49% to 45.5%. "This is only one fight in the battle, people" Hoffman told disappointed supporters. "Let's keep the fight going." It was a stunning conclusion to a special election to fill a vacant House seat in the far northern reaches of the state that became the unlikely scene of a Republican Party civil war. "

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/11/03/2009-11-03_dem_bill_owens_in_lead_in_23rd_district_after_sarah_palin_and_rush_limbaugh_supp.html#ixzz0jKLZTG61

[Edited on March 26, 2010 at 7:13 PM. Reason : lll]

3/26/2010 7:12:28 PM

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"Kind of amusing that these people are so pro-life that they want Stupak and his family dead."

yeah that is absolutely ridiculous. They are so "pro-life" they want to kill the congressman. I do not understand why right-wing nuts get so emotional over abortion. Who gives a flying fuck if peggy sue aborts her 12 week old fetus, to whom she's not sure which male lover of her's is the actual father. She is probably doing the entire trailer park and this country a favor.

3/26/2010 7:20:28 PM

Yet these same folks gladly accept in vitro fertilization. . . .

3/26/2010 7:34:03 PM

3/26/2010 7:54:39 PM

3/26/2010 8:36:56 PM

hey Supplanter,

why don't you fucking post every video and article online you have 100 more times. that way we might read it.

3/26/2010 10:46:18 PM

^to the best of my recollection I haven't posted a video, article, or picture from this page anywhere else on tdub.

Funny, I would have pegged you more as a free market kind of poster than than trying to regulate who can post what. And now for a sampling of partial posts from your last 35 or so posts in the soap box since you insist on lecturing me on posting habits:

Quote :

"why don't you fucking post every video and article online you have 100 more times. how the fuck do you even get off writing that you asshole. then go live in russia you stupid fuck. they'll take good care of your ass. just stfu You've got to be shitting me. if liberals are so much smarter. why the fuck did they have so much trouble yes we can and will you lame fuck. only pussies like yourself give up. stfu bitch. right into your moms fucking basement Problem is.. you're still a dumbass. you fucking dumbcunt. lol @ nutsmackr tell burro he's a retard like 5x ITT. he's lost and has to resort to 'name calling' hahaa"

3/26/2010 11:18:03 PM

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"Former militiaman unapologetic for calls to vandalize offices over health care The call to arms was issued at 5:55 a.m. last Friday. "To all modern Sons of Liberty: THIS is your time. Break their windows. Break them NOW." "So, if you wish to send a message that Pelosi and her party [that they] cannot fail to hear, break their windows," Vanderboegh wrote on the blog, Sipsey Street Irregulars. "Break them NOW. Break them and run to break again. Break them under cover of night. Break them in broad daylight. Break them and await arrest in willful, principled civil disobedience. Break them with rocks. Break them with slingshots. Break them with baseball bats. But BREAK THEM." These were the words of Mike Vanderboegh, a 57-year-old former militiaman from Alabama, who took to his blog urging people who opposed the historic health-care reform legislation -- he calls it "Nancy Pelosi's Intolerable Act" -- to throw bricks through the windows of Democratic offices nationwide. In the days that followed, glass windows and doors were shattered at local Democratic Party offices and the district offices of House Democrats from Arizona to Kansas to New York. At least 10 Democratic lawmakers reported death threats, incidents of harassment or vandalism at their offices over the past week, and the FBI and Capitol Police are offering lawmakers increased protection. Vanderboegh was unapologetic in a 45-minute telephone interview with The Washington Post early Thursday. He said he believes throwing bricks through windows sends a warning to Democratic lawmakers that the health-care reform legislation they passed Sunday has caused so much unrest that it could result in a civil war. Vanderboegh said he once worked as a warehouse manager but now lives on government disability checks."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/25/AR2010032501722_pf.html

3/27/2010 11:46:55 AM

^ what a tool. He is on Government disability, and will likely benefit from the health care legislation. This guy is obviously completely ignorant and is caught up in the sensationalist wave of partisan politics.

3/27/2010 12:27:54 PM

^ your sentiment is exactly why conservatives hate entitlements. Entitlements are nothing more than a means of enslaving a demographic to the federal government.

Here you are expressing indignation at this man who depends on the government. How dare he oppose anything they try to do??!? Doesn't he know his place?!


[Edited on March 27, 2010 at 12:32 PM. Reason : s]

3/27/2010 12:30:58 PM

^ haha are you kidding?

That’s not what HUR was saying, and you know it, but decided to troll instead.

3/27/2010 12:36:03 PM

3/27/2010 12:44:41 PM

I haven't read up on the Tea Party people that much. They seem to be shrill douchebags spouting a bunch of half-truths, and fronted by one of the dumbest, douchiest figures currently on the political landscape.


That said, from a policy standpoint, at a glance at least, they seem to basically be libertarianish (fiscally, and in their view of the Constitution and role of gov't), with a major boner for illegal immigrants, but not really concerned with other social issues.

3/28/2010 1:35:46 AM

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"Democrats are trying to use a few nut-jobs in the rightwing as a smokescreen to prevent facing any discussion of the economic realities of this HC bill. Obama and liberals are trying to frame the debate as one where his reform bill is the ONLY way to reform HC, And anyone who is for a different way is a dangerous violence-promoting crazy."

Quoted for truth.

3/28/2010 8:13:50 AM

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"republicans overestimated their position. they lost. it's not a few nut-jobs out there. there are representatives and senators stirring people into a frenzy over this."

And the conservative “think tanks” are catering to the nutjob fringe now, which is just going to continue to the downward spiral of the GOP.

3/28/2010 10:57:55 AM

I don't know if they've helped or hurt the cause of sensible libertarianism. Probably hurt now that the backlash has begun.

3/28/2010 11:07:25 AM

What we need is some hip young independent candidate that's a mix of "south park conservative" and "green libertarian" to come along and gain support from those two groups as well as:
- most left-libertarians
- some right-libertarians
- a lot of the tea party (but not the social conservatives or religious nuts)
- most young independents
- most green independents
- few democrats -- enough to generate the "Nader effect"
- few republicans -- enough to kill the GOP, hopefully forever.

Then it could be something like:
(Dem) 35%
(Rep) 13%
(Ind) 50%
(Lib) 1%
(other) 1%



[Edited on March 28, 2010 at 11:25 AM. Reason : ]

3/28/2010 11:22:20 AM

yuppie party 2012?

3/28/2010 12:52:06 PM

http://bit.ly/robot-chicken-libertarian

[Edited on March 28, 2010 at 1:21 PM. Reason : .]

3/28/2010 1:20:39 PM

[Edited on March 28, 2010 at 1:31 PM. Reason : ]

3/28/2010 1:31:03 PM

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"The Tea Party Express is scheduled to end up in Washington on April 15 -- tax day. The group's travel plans are part of its "Just Vote Them Out! Tour"

Lol, vote them out in favor of our favorite Republican senators and congressman. The tea party is a joke. They try to portray themselves as some 3rd party grass roots movement. In reality they seem to just to be a facade for the republican party, serving as a tool underground branch of their campaigning.

Right Sarah!!

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"Washington has broken faith with the people that they are to be serving," Palin told the crowd, which numbered in the thousands. Palin said the message to government leaders was "loud and clear." "The big government, the big debt, Obama-Pelosi-Reid spending spree is over. You're fired," she said, prompting cheers from the crowd."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/27/reid.tea.party/index.html?hpt=T2

sorry sarah but both parties have worked hard to break teh faith of the people and both parties are guilty of going on a "spending spree" with tax payer money.

3/28/2010 2:50:02 PM

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"And the conservative “think tanks” are catering to the nutjob fringe now, which is just going to continue to the downward spiral of the GOP."

David Frum would agree.

3/28/2010 4:26:40 PM

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"Early yesterday morning, Valerie and Rob Shirk corralled their 10 home-schooled children into their van for the 2 1/2-hour drive from their home in Connecticut to Boston, arriving just in time to hear Sarah Palin denounce government-run health care at the tea party movement rally on Boston Common. They thought it would be a learning opportunity for their children, who range in age from 9 months to 15 years old and who held up signs criticizing the government for defying the “will of the people.’’ “The problem in this country is that too many people are looking for handouts,’’ said Valerie Shirk, 43, of Prospect, Conn. “I agree with the signs that say, ‘Share my father’s work ethic — not his paycheck.’ We have to do something about the whole welfare mentality in this country.’’ The couple, who rely on Medicaid for their health care, were also upset about the nation’s new health reforms. When asked why her family used state-subsidized health care when she criticized people who take handouts, Valerie Shirk said she did not want to stop having children, and that her husband’s income was not enough to cover the family with private insurance. “I know there’s a dichotomy because of what we get from the state,’’ she said. “But I just look at each of my children as a blessing."

http://tinyurl.com/socialolism

The only thing shocking about this is she knows waht "dichotomy" means.

4/15/2010 7:01:32 PM

^ it seems like every time there’s one of these rallies there are a good handful of people who gleefully suckle the gov teat while condemning others of doing the same thing. It really makes you wonder what their REAL motivations are, when their stated motivations make 0 logical sense.

4/15/2010 7:38:54 PM

Lol, it's kind of hard to practice what you preach when you're not rich, isn't it? I don't think they have an ulterior motive. They're just gullible lower-middle class people.

4/15/2010 7:56:43 PM

I agree, that woman is part of the problem. She doesnt want to stop having kids, however she cannot afford to pay for them. I dont mind helping those in a bad situation, however she and many millions are knowingly getting themselves into situations they have no intention of funding themselves. Thus the problem.

What do you guys object to about the teaparty's mission?

•Fiscal Responsibility
•Constitutionally Limited Government
•Free Markets

What, honestly, threatens you?

4/15/2010 7:57:49 PM

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"The problem in this country is that too many people are looking for handouts,’’ said Valerie Shirk, 43, of Prospect, Conn. “I agree with the signs that say, ‘Share my father’s work ethic — not his paycheck.’ We have to do something about the whole welfare mentality in this country.’’ The couple, who rely on Medicaid for their health care, were also upset about the nation’s new health reforms. When asked why her family used state-subsidized health care when she criticized people who take handouts, Valerie Shirk said she did not want to stop having children, and that her husband’s income was not enough to cover the family with private insurance."

Jesus Fucking Christ. This woman is the problem....

Pot meet kettle...

4/15/2010 8:03:05 PM

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"•Fiscal Responsibility •Constitutionally Limited Government •Free Markets"

People want to take those things too far

Fiscal responsibility really isn't all that important. Our bonds still sell very easy for fairly high prices, our currency is still the reserve currency for most of the developing world. It's something to be concerned about if it gets way worse, but if we slow recession level spending as the recession dies off, and continue steady growth, we've got nothing to worry about.
Constitutionally limited government is stupid. We can change the constitution for a reason, that reason is that a bunch of old dead dudes didn't know shit about what the world would be like 200yrs later.
Free markets come with their own problems and failures, it's important we substitute those parts with government intervention.

4/15/2010 8:42:43 PM

Our houses sold well in 2006...right before they didn't.

4/15/2010 8:49:42 PM

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""The problem in this country is that too many people are looking for handouts,’’ said Valerie Shirk, 43, of Prospect, Conn. “I agree with the signs that say, ‘Share my father’s work ethic — not his paycheck.’ We have to do something about the whole welfare mentality in this country.’’ The couple, who rely on Medicaid for their health care, were also upset about the nation’s new health reforms. When asked why her family used state-subsidized health care when she criticized people who take handouts, Valerie Shirk said she did not want to stop having children, and that her husband’s income was not enough to cover the family with private insurance.""

The difference between this woman and those with the "welfare mentality" she's railing against is simple.


You see, she gives her children names like Ashley and William, while the welfare citizens always name their child Laqueesha. Always.

4/15/2010 9:33:24 PM

Thinking about it more, her position might be inherently racist.

Allow me to read between the lines a little:

"We have to do something about the whole welfare mentality [lazy black/mexican welfare queens] in this country.’’

“I know there’s a dichotomy because of what we get from the state,’’ she said. “But I just look at each of my children as a blessing [it's okay because I'm white]."

4/15/2010 10:32:36 PM

Quote :

"What do you guys object to about the teaparty's mission? •Fiscal Responsibility •Constitutionally Limited Government •Free Markets What, honestly, threatens you?"

None of them. But I also don't object to:

•World Peace
•No one being poor
•No violence
•No standing armies

But those are just as big of a pipe dream as the first three. They'd all be great to have, but it isn't going to happen, regardless of who you have in poor. Everyone wants everything without paying for anything. So many people want to eat their cake and have it too, and you simply can't.

4/15/2010 10:55:22 PM

Teabaggers do not mind collecting welfare or other gov't handouts as long as dem mexican dunt tuk er jerbs and dem blacks ain't be tuk my guberment monies and stop electin black presidents

4/15/2010 11:38:57 PM

4/16/2010 10:51:13 AM

blame Fox News:

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"tea-partiers are disproportionately attached to, and perhaps influenced by, FOX News. And they are particularly enamored of Glenn Beck. Nationally, just 18 percent of people have a favorable opinion of Beck (the majority have no opinion whatsoever about him). But most tea-partiers do. Do the math, and you'll find that 59 percent of those who do think highly of Beck consider themselves a part of the tea-party. This is, in fact, the single biggest differentiator of any of the items that the NYT asked about: not ideology, not any particular political belief, but whom they watch on television:"

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/04/tea-party-bears-becks-imprint.html

This is from the same group of people who most accurately predicted the election outcome BTW.

4/16/2010 11:05:23 AM

4/16/2010 12:57:42 PM

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"Constitutionally limited government is stupid. We can change the constitution for a reason"

Yes, exactly.

So let's do that instead of ignoring it.

4/16/2010 1:04:14 PM