the most major plot hole was in that Tiny Toon Adventures movie

it was a literal plot hole: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkqkeeE_pNw

[Edited on July 8, 2010 at 12:09 AM. Reason : http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlotHole

7/8/2010 12:08:40 AM

if a planet wasn't controlled by the empire, it was controlled by a hutt, right? jabba might have ran the shit, but from a different planet. im sure he had a few.

7/8/2010 3:32:14 AM

7/8/2010 8:11:09 AM

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"there is absolutely nothing suggesting jabba is on tatooine in the theatrical release of episode IV"

Even in the revised edition all we know is that in Episode IV Jabba was on Tattooine at the same time as Solo was on Tattooine. That doesn't indicate one way or another whether or not Jabba was based on Tattooine at the time.

Even if they KNOW that he's on Tattooine, it's not like knowing that someone lives in Raleigh and it narrows down your search field. It's an entire planet. You can know (and I apologize for using him as an analogy) that Saddam is in Iraq but it's still going to take you many months and a lot of searching in order to find him. It's not unlikely that Jabba (as a professional crime lord from a species of professional crime lords) would understand the benefits of having multiple potential bases of operation so that he could move from one to the next in order to help evade capture or assassination (think Saddam's palaces).

Also, iirc Jabba was a special guest at the podrace which means you really can't use that to determine whether or not he was or was not from Tattooine. The Hutts are spread out throughout the edges of the Republic and the Empire (And beyond).

All we've got on Tattooine is a good place to start the search, and luckily enough for Luke, Londo, and Leia that just happens to be where he's basing himself at the time of RotJ.

7/8/2010 8:27:15 AM

(Nobody reads the last post on a page)

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"The unbelievability of quick interstellar travel doesn't have to do with conceivable propulsion systems; it breaks our current understanding about the nature of the universe. Which is why I thoroughly am able to suspend my disbelief; it's so radically impossible that you just go with it. "

Yeah when I first started learning about relativity and things like the 'twins paradox' it was terribly depressing, the sudden crushing of all my old Star Wars fantasies crafted from the movies, books, and video games I grew up with...

7/8/2010 3:07:31 PM

god people fast space travel is not a plot hole

7/8/2010 3:09:44 PM

got all nerdy up in here since I last visited

7/8/2010 3:19:50 PM

Fast space travel isn't the plot hole, You have to accept hyperdrive as possible in Star Wars.

It's going from Hoth to Bespin with no hyperdrive that's the plot hole.

7/8/2010 3:22:03 PM

I have never seen Star Wars, and the last 2+ pages have solidified the fact that I made the right decision.

7/13/2010 5:35:07 AM

No, your decision is still wrong. Everyone should see Star Wars 4-6.

Just go ahead and skip the prequels, though. No one will fault you for that.

7/13/2010 6:49:59 AM

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"No I mean moving his base of operations in the previous 4 years considering all the stuff he had in that palace."

Jabba the Hutt is a crime lord. Lord. In a universe where there is intergalatic trade. He controls many operations all over his region of the galaxy, and its not unreasonable at all to believe he has ridiculously vast amounts of money and has palaces in different sectors all over the place to visit for a couple of days or years whenever he wants.

Solo wronged a crime lord, and when that happens, the lord takes it personally. Especially when he starts killing the bounty hunters and other goons that the guy sends to take him out. Its likely that Solo was based out of Tatooine in general, and when Jabba learned that, he went to his place in Tatooine to take care of things personally. An example of his devotion to taking out Han was putting the dude in carbonite to hang as a live example on his wall to anyone else who thinks of fucking up an order.

[Also I can't remember, was Jabba shown on screen with Han in the first movie in Tatooine?]

And yes, anything dealing with the first three movies should be stricken from the records.

7/13/2010 7:18:58 AM

Pretty much the entire plot of 2012

7/13/2010 7:50:54 AM

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"No, your decision is still wrong. Everyone should see Star Wars 4-6."

Everyone should own 4-6.

7/13/2010 7:53:45 AM

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"Also I can't remember, was Jabba shown on screen with Han in the first movie in Tatooine?"

in the original cut no, but in the newer extended Special Edition version yes. they are inside the hangar where Solo has the Millennium Falcon.

7/13/2010 8:29:03 AM

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"All we've got on Tattooine is a good place to start the search, and luckily enough for Luke, Londo, and Leia that just happens to be where he's basing himself at the time of RotJ."

this is how the time lapse between empire and rtoj is explained, tracking down jabba and han

7/13/2010 11:53:30 AM

^^That's what I thought...I think it'd be better without Jabba in the scene, especially that stupid little part where Han steps on him

7/14/2010 2:50:05 AM

That's because originally Jabba was human and Han walks behind him. (This scene was supposed to be in the original but was cut.) Later on when he had a tail they had to do something stupid to get around that (literally).

7/14/2010 5:07:24 AM

That whole scene with Han and Jabba in Mos Eisley implies that their unfinished business isn't as big a deal at that point as it is in ESB. Jabba lets him leave.

If we're just going with the original story, then maybe Tatooine is the only place Han has good smuggling contacts and/or business opportunities.

[Edited on July 14, 2010 at 9:46 AM. Reason : .]

7/14/2010 9:45:43 AM

It is a wretched hive of scum and villainy.

7/14/2010 9:47:38 AM

I guess Jabba and Han's relationship deteriorated fast. One year Han is there hanging with Jabba, stepping all over him. No biggie. Few months later... boom. I guess Han had a deadline to pay Jabba back but up until the deadline Han was free to spit in Jabba's face without reprisal.

Plus I'm sure Jabba's whereabouts had to be broadcast at some level. Either that or Jabba left an address for the bounty/Han exchange to take place. Plus for Sadaam it's easy to sneak around. Just put on a dress and you're off. Jabba would have to buy an industrial sized crate of belly slime, slather it all over his underside oo facilitate movement, then put on a banta Halloween costume or something.

[Edited on July 14, 2010 at 1:59 PM. Reason : --]

7/14/2010 1:57:14 PM

Also, the fact that Han had a serious role in blowing up the Death Star probably didn't help matters. With strong Imperial control Jabba knew which officials to pay off and how to get around the rules. With the threat of a new "good" regime coming into the mix that was likely very bad for business.

7/14/2010 10:18:02 PM

Agreed. The Hutt trade/criminal empire was spread throughout the galaxy, and it was likely forced to cooperate with the Imperial forces as they took over entire star systems. With Imperials having seen/fired at Han on Tatooine, witnessing him speaking with Jabba, and then discovering Han helped blow up the Death Star I'm sure they had a few questions for Jabba.

But I seriously doubt they went into this much detail for the movie

7/15/2010 4:54:12 AM

independance day - Aliens that are more advanced are easily infected with a windows 95 virus.

The alien ships are only destroyed by hitting the alien space ship in one location when the "primary weapon" is engaged. So, if the aliens dont use the primary weapon in the "15 minutes" the virus has infected the mother ship, the earth is doomed. I guess every alien ship was using its primary weapon during this time...

Also, how does a nuke blow up in space?

7/15/2010 12:32:40 PM

^ Agree about the computer virus, but I think all the city destroyers always fire their weapons at the same time. And the nuke wasn't really in space, it was in a ship with atmosphere (the ID4 mothership was bigger than the first Death Star)

7/15/2010 12:38:02 PM

Also, nuclear explosions are produced by fission reactions, not oxidation reactions. They don't require oxygen.

7/15/2010 12:51:33 PM

^^^ that's not a plot hole so much as you not suspending disbelief in a movie where aliens attach earth and will smith, jeff goldblum, and NL's Christmas Vacation's Cousin Eddie save the day.

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"So, if the aliens dont use the primary weapon in the "15 minutes" the virus has infected the mother ship, the earth is doomed. I guess every alien ship was using its primary weapon during this time..."

Yup, it was an organized attack. But I think they just had to be preparing to use the weapon (the doors had to be open). That took time to do, it wasn't an instant thing. The human attack on the ships was also very organized, via morse code iircc. Not getting it or not being willing to suspend some measure of disbelief /= plot hole.

7/15/2010 1:15:26 PM

It wasn't a windows virus. It came from a Mac. At a time when macs weren't compatible with a single damned thing on earth, they were apparently compatible with an alien spaceship. There should have been an out take were the Apple staff were all executed for being alien collaborators.

7/15/2010 1:16:01 PM

^^^True, but you wouldn't really have shock waves or traditionally what you think of as an explosion in space. The "explosion" is caused by the super fast super hot heating of gasses by the fission reaction.

You'd probably have some sort of explosion since there's material (the spaceship) to vaporize and expand. What you'd definitely have is a lot more gamma radiation since not as much is getting converted to heat.

[Edited on July 15, 2010 at 1:35 PM. Reason : ^]

7/15/2010 1:35:22 PM

Remember when he ate my goldfish, and you lied to me and told me I never had any gold fish? Why'd I have the bowl then Bart, why'd I have the bowl?

7/15/2010 1:46:20 PM

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"At a time when macs weren't compatible with a single damned thing on earth, they were apparently compatible with an alien spaceship."

Or all Apple technology is reverse engineered from the Roswell crash.

Or maybe Apple is really an alien shell company and that's why they're taking over the earth now.

7/15/2010 3:01:34 PM

Well if the aliens were running Apple software that would explain why they got hacked so easily.

7/15/2010 3:17:40 PM

and why they were so condescending.

7/15/2010 3:18:31 PM

Well if the aliens were coordinated, I ask how long did the aliens fire their weapon? The US was able to take one down, relay to every other country how to do it, and they were able to strike all in 15 mintues?

I'm not a nuclear physicist so I'm asking a question here....if a nuke big enough to destroy a huge spacecraft is set off near earth, what kind of effects would the earth see?

7/15/2010 3:36:02 PM

^ something akin to the Endor Holocaust after the second Death Star was destroyed
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/holocaust.html

7/15/2010 3:51:17 PM

Well, if the big disc ships' shields were somehow based on the mothership having shields/functioning properly, presumably once they nuked the mothership, the lesser ships also lost shield power. So at that point the 15 minute timer is really moot. ...Or was that trickle-down just how the virus was supposed to function?

Or it's entirely possible that the weapon-firing part of the ship was unshielded when it fired, or something, anyway.

Meh. It's just Independence Day, it's not like there's some broader ID universe with an established canon.

[Edited on July 15, 2010 at 3:55 PM. Reason : .]

7/15/2010 3:54:38 PM

^^^
Or we could take a look at a real world example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime

7/15/2010 4:01:00 PM

Attacking while they are using their weapon is only required if you are using conventional weapons. Now that the ship's shields are down, any old nuke will do the job handily. But, even if they fix their shields and are invincible, they have still lost the war, as without the mothership their civilization is gone, they can't even leave, since presumably it was the mothership that enabled interstellar transport. And with most of the baby ships destroyed, there aren't enough of them to suppress mankind forever. It is just a matter of time until either we figure a way through the shields or they run out of energy/food/resources.

As for the usual suspects, the guy in the hospital died of his injuries. Even if the cop is now convinced the man was Kiser Suze, he can't prove it, as no one alive saw him do anything wrong.

7/15/2010 6:37:37 PM

Or their entire civilization wasn't present during the attack and now they know to install Norton Antivirus when they send reinforcements.

7/15/2010 7:15:30 PM

^It would take their ships a looooooooooooooooooooong time to reach Earth, what with Norton consuming so many of the ship's resources.

Kinda reminds me of a Star Trek: Enterprise episode... at least I think it was Star Trek: Enterprise. The plot:

Some Klingons are bullying some settlement into giving them whatever it is they are mining from the planet. The Star Trek crew's ship is disabled or something, so they go to the planet to acquire whatever it was they mined on the planet so they can fix the ship. The crew finds out about the Klingons and vows to help the miners.

They help them by picking up the entire town, moving it 100 feet to the left, and waiting for the Klingons to arrive. The Klingons beam down to the planet, but 100 feet from where they usually beam down (they always beam down in the exact same place with respect to the village I guess).

The Klingons don't know that the town was moved 100 feet and have beamed down right into the mining field! The towns people set off a ring of fire that surrounds the Klingons. The Klingons, defeated, beam back aboard their ship and never bother the miners again.

Why they just didn't re-beam themselves 10 feet over so they'd be out of the ring of fire and commence slaughtering the miners is another story I suppose.

Oh, here's the episode: http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Marauders_%28episode%29

[Edited on July 16, 2010 at 1:01 PM. Reason : -]

7/16/2010 12:45:50 PM

Best technobabble reason for the Enterprise era would be the fact that transporter tech was still pretty much brand new for all species. The computing power was also not as top notch as it becomes in the following 200 years.

Could be the fact that rebooting the transporters took to long and they couldn't, and they were in effect, trapped.

7/16/2010 2:09:08 PM

In Teen Wolf, when Scott dives for the loose ball, there's a scrum, and the Teen Wolf jumps out and everyone is all surprised....the ref didn't call him for traveling.

7/27/2010 9:32:48 PM

^ That was an ACC ref.

7/27/2010 11:36:31 PM

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"From what I have heard, the entire airbender movie is one big plot hole..."

please to explain

7/28/2010 12:54:59 AM

With all the talk of the forest moon of Endor, also called Endor, this may have been covered but I don't feel like going back and reading everything.

Disclaimer. I'm no physicist, so I don't try to think these things through, that's what the internet is for. Say something and try to learn a bit when people flame you for your stupidity...

It's a forest moon, correct. It revolves around a planet, which in turn revolves around a star. The moon also rotates on its axis. It seems like all that would make for a lot of darkness, i.e. enough darkness for there to not be enough light to support a planet of trees. Best case it's only dark on the far side of the moon for the duration of its rotation; worst case completely dark when in the host planet's shadow during its revolution.

Maybe the moon is really far away from the host planet and revolves around its planet on a plane that intersects with the plane created by the planet's revolution around its star. I don't know.

[Edited on July 28, 2010 at 7:37 AM. Reason : -]

7/28/2010 7:37:15 AM

There's a particular speed in which the moon could orbit the planet and rotate to create an exactly equal amount of sunlight/darkness. Also, it could be a binary system and another star makes up for the difference in light energy. Or there's some other type of cosmic phenomena bombarding the world with ultraviolet rays. Or the trees on endor evolved to use some other mechanism than photosynthesis to reproduce.

7/28/2010 8:54:51 AM

^^ Tiny microscopic organisms living in the tree sap feed them life energy, duh. Midiphotosynthians or something.

7/28/2010 9:41:55 AM

wasn't there a shot that showed multiple stars in the sky? or am i thinking of something totally different

7/28/2010 9:54:47 AM

"The body, which is a forested moon covered by giant trees, is sometimes called the "forest moon of Endor" in Return of the Jedi and other times referred to directly as Endor. However, no planet is shown in the film for it to orbit as a moon. The novelization explains this by asserting that the planet was destroyed a long time ago: it can also be explained that as a natural satellite, it could merely be orbiting a star. The Ewok television movies, by contrast, show a large gas giant in the moon's skies, but refer to the moon as "Endor". In the Ewoks cartoon, the moon is shown to orbit a binary star." (wikipedia)

Works cited:
Wikipedia. "Endor (Star Wars)". Wikipedia; The Free Encyclopedia. 8 June 2010. 28 July 2010. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endor_(Star_Wars)].

7/28/2010 4:04:38 PM

Mr. Joshua is plagiarizing Wikipedia.

7/28/2010 4:24:57 PM

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"wasn't there a shot that showed multiple stars in the sky? or am i thinking of something totally different"

It shows two stars in the sky on Tatooine for sure but I can't think of any similar shots on Endor.

7/28/2010 5:33:51 PM