You're right, racism isn't that bad, I mean what harm has it done?

11/12/2010 10:05:30 PM

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"Paltrow is clearly very mixed, Stiller however has all the features of a Jew. He has the hair, the face, the nose, clearly jewish. You simply haven't been around enough jews to be able to tell them from whites or western asians."

Wait, are you seriuos?

11/13/2010 12:49:59 PM

yeppers

11/13/2010 3:07:47 PM

Yeah, I don't know how you can look at Adam Sandler or Ben Stiller and not go "that guy is Jewish".

Paltrow's a different case entirely as she's only half Jewish and looks a lot like her mother.

11/13/2010 3:34:17 PM

^Yeah, but you have to admit that it is a little bit risky to go about saying someone is jewish just based off of looks.

For one, there are plenty of americans of eastern european decent that have big noses and dark hair and are not jewish. Also, there is a double standard on this topic, and discussing about Jewish features if your not jewish quickly brings up Hitler and the holocaust.

Clearly some Jews have these features, but certainly not all Jews have them and many people of Non-Jewish european decent share them as well.

So, your argument is to just ignore the light skinned, light eyed Jews and put them in the mixed category, but cling on to those with dark eyes and and dark hair in the Jewish race category?

[Edited on November 13, 2010 at 4:51 PM. Reason : cp]

11/13/2010 4:38:14 PM

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"discussing about Jewish features if your not jewish quickly brings up Hitler and the holocaust"

Perhaps if you're a retard. That's like saying black people have darker skin and larger noses instantly brings up slavery.

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"So, your argument is to just ignore the light skinned, light eyed Jews and put them in the mixed category, but cling on to those with dark eyes and and dark hair in the Jewish race category?"

No, my point is that if you are completely jewish, you have those features, just like if you are completely white you will have white skin.

11/13/2010 5:56:14 PM

I'm convinced BanjoMan has never met a Jew before.

11/13/2010 6:52:25 PM

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"You're right, racism isn't that bad, I mean what harm has it done?"

Just because there are racists doesn't make race any less arbitrary. Nor does the lack of biological justification for race make discrimination based on physical appearance any more valid. WTF were you implying here?

[Edited on November 13, 2010 at 7:47 PM. Reason : .]

11/13/2010 7:45:39 PM

I'm just saying, you might be able to consider it arbitrary on whatever grounds you like, but the fact is, as a social phenomena, it exists.

11/13/2010 8:40:37 PM

^Well, you haven't "just" been saying race exists as a social phenomenon. From page one...

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"Kris: They are a race as they have significant genetic similarities between each other and significant differences between between other races. That's what a race is, and that's why they are one. Please see the links for evidence."

Your posts to this thread are kind of confusing. You're definitely pwning people or whatever, but it seems like you have some overarching point that you're trying to make, but you just aren't saying it.

11/13/2010 8:46:35 PM

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"Well, you haven't "just" been saying race exists as a social phenomenon. From page one..."

You're right, but I posted evidence along with that post.

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"but it seems like you have some overarching point that you're trying to make, but you just aren't saying it"

I'd guess it would be that Jews tend to be quietly racist, but don't quote me on that.

11/13/2010 9:04:30 PM

I think a lot of that perceived racism isn't really racism.

It's more like a vestige or even a modern-day necessity of self-preservation. I mean, there are still powerful leaders wishing for their annihilation.

That said, some policy in Israel is troubling.

11/13/2010 10:10:26 PM

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"I'm convinced BanjoMan has never met a Jew before."

Obviously not true.

11/13/2010 10:20:22 PM

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"No, my point is that if you are completely jewish, you have those features, just like if you are completely white you will have white skin."

Erroneous. If you're truly Jewish, you don't have the look he is describing. If you're an Ashkenazi then, yes, you'll have that Eastern European look that common among many eastern european whites.

Ashekenazi Jews are white, and some jews other jews are not. I, for example, do not consider myself white because my features and skin color are not what you would consider the norm for a caucasian. Sure, i'm middle eastern and technically I am a caucasian, but I would not ever list myself as white.

Based around the significant (and visibly evident) European admixture of the Ashkenazi I believe one can say with certainty that we are a religion of different races, and that Jew is not one particular race.

Furthermore, I am Mizrahim not Sephardi and I don't hate any other jews, but merely am disgusted by the way Ashkenazi elevate themselves and represent themselves as a unified pure group of jews. i am more in alignment with the baron than how you described me.

[Edited on November 16, 2010 at 4:35 PM. Reason : clarifciation]

11/16/2010 4:34:27 PM

Not this again.

11/16/2010 4:39:51 PM

^^Ashkenazis are jews and so are you, you're not white.

11/16/2010 5:55:02 PM

At what point can you have white skin and not be white? Sounds like we've got a widespread case of "unique snowflake" going around.

11/16/2010 6:13:43 PM

Since when must someone be only one "race" or the other?

What's stopping someone from being considered both Jewish and white?

11/16/2010 7:13:00 PM

Society provides that definition, not me. It's the same way that someone can be half black/half white, and still considered black.

11/16/2010 7:57:20 PM

steve9194

11/17/2010 12:29:31 PM

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"^^Ashkenazis are jews and so are you, you're not white."

AShkenazis are Jewish, so am I. Ashkenazis are white, I am middle Eastern. Barack Obama is Christian, so is George W. Bush. Barack Obama is black, George W. Bush is white.

Jewish is not a race, Christian is not a race. Ashkenazis are certainly not a pure lineage from the original Jews, either.

I don't believe I could make this explanation any more simplistic.

11/17/2010 1:20:11 PM

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"Barack Obama is black"

for the record, obama is mixed.

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"I believe one can say with certainty that we are a religion of different races, and that Jew is not one particular race."

Interesting. It is from my experience that both the Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews share a strong culture that one basically needs to be born into as opposed to choosing to join. Similar to the Greeks and Italians, no matter how much you try to fit into their network, you may never be fully accepted by them if you were not born into it (nothing really new there).

So, in short, I see what you are saying there, and I feel like that is a legitimate explanation.

[Edited on November 17, 2010 at 1:59 PM. Reason : tp]

11/17/2010 1:55:59 PM

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"AShkenazis are Jewish, so am I. Ashkenazis are white, I am middle Eastern."

You're both jewish, you're just mixed with other things, in the way society defines race, you are considered jewish.

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"for the record, obama is mixed."

Race is a social construct, and as such, society has defined him as black.

11/17/2010 6:48:48 PM

Jews are not a race. It is ethnicity.

Definition of race that somebody posted is really skewed, because you can make a case that northern Europans are race on its own due to primarily lighter features than Mediterraneans. Just because ethnicity has distinctive features does not qualify it to be a race. Hell, Indians are Asians by race and they certainly look different from Koreans.

There are also distinct genetical differences between northern and southern/eastern Europeans. Balkan nations all share a very common genetical lineage, which is different from, say, Scandinavians. In terms of race we are both labeled as white (of European ancestry).

Politically it can be whatever you want it to be...as it is always the case...

[Edited on November 17, 2010 at 7:15 PM. Reason : asdf]

11/17/2010 7:11:48 PM

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"Race is a social construct, and as such, society has defined him as black."

Yes, true, but that is predominantly the case for our "social construct". If you were to look at it from a different point of view, (like as a Jamaican for example) he is not considered black.

11/17/2010 8:09:08 PM

There's a reason this conversation is fucking stupid and I've already stated it.

No one can agree on whether a particular person is a particular race for a reason.

11/17/2010 8:26:42 PM

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"Race is a social construct, and as such, society has defined him as black."

This falls right into line with a number of your wrong assumptions about how the world works, but society does not define anyone as anything. Society does not make decisions. Society has no media outlet. Society is a concept, and cannot be spoken for by anyone.

11/17/2010 9:26:01 PM

Well, the subject of this thread is leaning more towards race, when I am more curious about racial discrimination.

let me bring it back to the point. I do not believe that Jews have the right to say that they are racially discriminated against and compare themselves to minorities that face discrimination everyday (such as hispanics and black americans) because to the majority of the world, they appear white.

It has been a while since I took a writing class, but i hope that sums it up.

11/17/2010 9:51:17 PM

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"If you're truly Jewish, you don't have the look he is describing. If you're an Ashkenazi then, yes, you'll have that Eastern European look that common among many eastern european whites."

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"I don't hate any other jews"

Because you don't think they're "truly" Jews.

Gotcha.

11/17/2010 10:09:29 PM