^Weird. It's just a bunch of school books.

1/8/2011 10:37:27 PM

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"IMStoned420 Anti-Republican 12129 Posts user info edit post To be completely fair, I tried to assassinate President Bush back in 2005 but I didn't succeed. 1/8/2011 5:57:38 PM "

In all seriousness you shouldn't post things like that, they be watching and it could get you in to trouble even today.

1/8/2011 10:37:29 PM

This guy is a fucking wackjob. The truely sad thing, other than the victims, is just how politically charged everything is now. Look how quickly people went into making this political and placing blame with NO information at all. So sad. Even lib heavy weights are throwing around the same pictures and columns about talk radio, palin, etc etc... Fucking Krugman even has a fucking column. It shouldnt surprise me though, he pulls show much shit out of his ass these days. he probably will write a piece next week that if we borrowed more money the shooting wouldnt have happened. lol

Supposedly there is an internet report from his friends that he was a liberal.. again this is from the internet. From the looks of his reading list and his youtube videos, this guy's political views probably changed with the wind...

^nah, it was patriotic to say that about bush...just better not say anything about O or you get treatment. jk

[Edited on January 8, 2011 at 10:38 PM. Reason : .]

1/8/2011 10:37:43 PM

I know that after someone hijacked the account of THW user SlamminS85 (Sam Horrell) and posted a death wish for the President (Dubya at the time), he got a visit from the Secret Service; it didn't help that Sam really did think ill of the bastard...

1/8/2011 10:44:04 PM

I just found out this guy is a twenty-something...his favorite book list makes sense now.

1/8/2011 11:06:07 PM

http://twitter.com/#!/Fox11NewsAZ/status/23940278268203008

@Fox11NewsAZ: A family friends tells FOX 11 News Rep. Giffords woke up from anesthesia & spoke to people in her room & recognized her husband Mark Kelly.

1/8/2011 11:15:25 PM

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"he probably will write a piece next week that if we borrowed more money the shooting wouldnt have happened. lol"

In the same post where he scolds people for making political comments about the murders, he makes jokes about them. Fucking idiot.

1/8/2011 11:15:25 PM

I like how all the liberal editorialists are blaming everybody but the shooter. Sarah Palin may offer vitrioling rhetoric but she didn't pull the trigger today, and until we know the shooter's motives its not prudent to come to any conclusions as to why he did it.

1/8/2011 11:32:54 PM

Do editorial writers writing about what they think is a politically charged shooting really need to explicitly blame the alleged shooter? Is that really something I care or need to read? Its self fucking evident and doesn't need to be written.

NEWS FLASH

ALLEGED SHOOTER BLAMED FOR SHOOTING - CONTINUE READING FOR MORE SCATHING COMMENTARY ON BLAMING BULLETS FOR THE ACTUAL CAUSE OF DEATH

1/8/2011 11:36:14 PM

This would be like an editorialist blaming Marilyn Manson for the Columbine shooting, some how I don't think Jared Loughner listens to Sarah Palin or Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh. Maybe he was a Chris Matthews or Keith Olbermann fan.

1/8/2011 11:43:01 PM

I don't disagree, but that isn't what you just posted.

1/8/2011 11:46:28 PM

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"I just found out this guy is a twenty-something...his favorite book list makes sense now."

teen angst lol?

1/8/2011 11:51:25 PM

Perfect example of vitriol on the right

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=2348000

Title -> Asshat #1: Paul Krugman

First line (it's starred on his website but the full text is in my reader) ->

It's time for you to apologize shithead


This is pretty standard for Karl Denninger, lots of hate, can't resist making posts where he isn't bitching at someone.

1/8/2011 11:54:52 PM

1/9/2011 12:16:21 AM

I thought Arizona was a state where everyone was armed? Why didn't someone with a gun just shoot him?


You don't need a permit for concealed weapons there.

1/9/2011 12:16:38 AM

An armed civilian supposedly did shoot the suspect per a report I saw....just not until he shot like 16 people

1/9/2011 12:48:52 AM

People who appear to know about this stuff are saying that he was exhibiting classic signs of paranoid schizophrenia. Fascinating and freaky shit.

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"Firstly, the current government officials are in power for their currency, but I’m informing you for your new currency! If you’re treasurer for a new money system, then you’re responsible for the distribution of a new currency! We now know — the treasurer for a new money system, is the distributor of the new currency. As a result, the people approve a new money system which is promising new information that’s accurate, and we truly believe in a new currency. And above else, you have your new currency, listener? Second, my hope is for you to be — literate! If you’re literate in English grammar, then you comprehend English grammar. The majority of people, who reside in District 8, are illiterate — hilarious! I don’t control your English grammar structure, but you control your English grammar structure."

See if you can assign a political leaning to that nonsense.


[Edited on January 9, 2011 at 12:57 AM. Reason : .]

1/9/2011 12:49:52 AM

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"People who appear to know about this stuff are saying that he was exhibiting classic signs of paranoid schizophrenia."

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" joe_schmoe 1/8/2011 6:39:55 PM when the facts come out, we're going to find that this guy (Jared Loughner) is truly batshit crazy. i'm going to venture a layman's diagnosis right now: Paranoid Schizophrenic. "

it's pretty obvious from his youtube channel. but more to the point,

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"this doesnt' change the fact that all this rhetoric from the right against the left, is agitating unstable people to get upset at these targets who are increasingly perceived to be the root cause and prime motivator of their induced stress. Figures like Palin, Beck, Coulter, Limbaugh, et. al. on the right are careless and irresponsible at best. at worst, this is an intentional plan to keep hammering and hammering at the them until someone breaks. in either case, the GOP reactionaries spreading this rhetoric have legally covered their asses and can't be held responsible."

the fact remains he espouses a paranoia against over-arching government and publicly proclaims a zealous allegiance to an economic/monetary policy that is advocated by liberatarian-leaning people such as Ron Paul and Glenn Beck.

crazy or not, you cant say hes apolitical. on the contrary, he's quite wrapped up -- consumed by -- contentious constitutional issues of the exact sort being discussed by the tea party and libertarian groups. and now, he appears to have acted on teh "Lock and Load" rhetoric professed by the more extremist proponents of those groups.




[Edited on January 9, 2011 at 1:18 AM. Reason : ]

1/9/2011 1:08:34 AM

Looks like this kid was making posts on http://www.abovetopsecret.com and even those nutjobs were calling him crazy... Erad3 is his username over there.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread593100/pg1

1/9/2011 2:50:43 AM

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"BAT SHIT CRAZY "

1/9/2011 7:52:25 AM

Has anyone read Anathem? When reading this guy's rants, I feel like I'm having "the Book" thrown at me.

1/9/2011 8:41:54 AM

I blame fox news

1/9/2011 9:34:53 AM

Judging by his actions, who can doubt he has a copy of Modern Warfare 2?

1/9/2011 10:09:32 AM

I blame the gunman. But then again I believe in personal responsibility. Some of you people like to have these neat little prepackaged ideals to place blame to. Then again you're the same people that regurgitate MSNCB/CNN without having a single independent thought of your own.

1/9/2011 10:30:40 AM

After reading that entire thread..I'm now more fully convinced than ever that Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck made him do it.

1/9/2011 10:39:00 AM

^^^ God, I hope not.

And who knows who this guy was listening to. Does it really matter? It wouldn't hurt to do away with the violent rhetoric, calls for "second amendment solutions", and the all-around gunlust found on the right--but for all we know this guy could've done it because secret messages encoded in Two and a Half Men and Yo Gabba Gabba were telling him to. Calling this guy left- or right-wing is ridiculous. He is seriously mentally ill and was fundamentally detached from reality.

1/9/2011 10:42:11 AM

This article sums it up pretty nicely and far more intelligently than 90% of the partisan fixated blather out there (including this thread):

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"After this horrible news from Tucson.... ... let me amplify something I said half-coherently in a live conversation with Guy Raz on All Things Considered a little while ago. My intended point was: Shootings of political figures are by definition "political." That's how the target came to public notice; it is why we say "assassination" rather than plain murder. But it is striking how rarely the "politics" of an assassination (or attempt) match up cleanly with the main issues for which a public figure has stood. Some killings reflect "pure" politics: John Wilkes Booth shooting Abraham Lincoln, the German officers who tried to kill Hitler and derail his war plans. We don't know exactly why James Earl Ray killed Martin Luther King, but it must have had a lot to do with civil rights. There is a longer list of odder or murkier motives:"

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/01/the-cloudy-logic-of-political-shootings/69147

1/9/2011 10:54:10 AM

Really good article.

1/9/2011 11:30:55 AM

Anyone remember this guy?
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-08-17/politics/obama.protest.rifle_1_protesters-weapons-assault-rifle?_s=PMOLITICS

Anyone remember how conservatives lauded this guy as some sort of superhero? I'm willing to bet if Jared Lee Loughner had not shot anyone, he would have been viewed in the same.

1/9/2011 11:55:47 AM

^^, ^^^

most of that article is a brief summary of high-profile shootings of political figures in recent decades. there's not much in the way of in-depth analysis there. but i do agree with the author. especially in his conclusion:

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"the political tone of an era can have some bearing on violent events. ... [T]he anti-JFK hate-rhetoric in Dallas before his visit was so intense that for decades people debated whether the city was somehow "responsible" for the killing.... That's the further political ramification here. We don't know why the Tucson killer did what he did. If he is like Sirhan, we'll never "understand." But we know that it has been a time of extreme, implicitly violent political rhetoric and imagery, including SarahPac's famous bulls-eye map of 20 Congressional targets to be removed -- including Rep. Giffords. It is legitimate to discuss whether there is a connection between that tone and actual outbursts of violence ... At a minimum, it will be harder for anyone to talk -- on rallies, on cable TV, in ads -- about "eliminating" opponents, or to bring rifles to political meetings, or to say "don't retreat, reload.""

Yes. well-said. and it's exactly the sentiment that I and several others have been trying to express here.

so i don't know why JCASHFAN is implying this thread is 90% "partisan blather". either he didn't read the conclusion above, or his emotional reaction to this thread has been so strong, he hasnt been able to read this thread with full comprehension.







[Edited on January 9, 2011 at 12:05 PM. Reason : ]

1/9/2011 12:02:08 PM

Is this the beginning of the revolution?

I feel bad for the innocent bystanders that were harmed but I will note that if you are part of the machine that has been walking all over the American public, you may ask yourself, well how did i get here? And you may ask yourself where is that large automobile? And you may say to yourself, my god, what have I done?

God will have to judge her sins, this should be a wake up to gov't members that assume there will never be repercussions for their actions.

Same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was...

1/9/2011 12:32:50 PM

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"In the same post where he scolds people for making political comments about the murders, he makes jokes about them. Fucking idiot. "

good ole terp. Last I remember you were trying to get into law school.

Hopefully you will one day be able to differentiate between me commenting on how sad it was at how quickly it was politicized and blamed placed based on NO evidence and making fun of an ECONOMIST who decided to jump right into to the same fray that I was being critical of.

It might help you in future years.

But keep with the name calling, I know you are just venting some anger issues from being a male secretary. I dont take it personally. Good day sir

1/9/2011 12:46:13 PM

If face is retarded or trolling, he would have posted something similar to what he just posted.

Since he posted something similar to what he just posted, he must be retarded or trolling.

Thus face is retarded or trolling because he just posted something similar to what he just posted.

1/9/2011 12:46:40 PM

Not a fan of the talking heads?

1/9/2011 12:52:39 PM

For the record I don't support the assassination of US gov't leaders.

All that does is slow down the movement, the leaders will just be replaced by the next group of puppets and thieves.

But I do think there is a valuable lesson to be learned here, you are not immune.

The internet is the great equalizer and until the gov't finds a way to shut it down they are going down one by one. Hopefully by votes, and not violence.

But to each his own. I'm a results oriented person.

1/9/2011 1:04:14 PM

face is a terrible troll

just read some of that guys posts on that Above Top Secret site. total nutjob and super annoying.

1/9/2011 1:11:02 PM

face is really erad3?!?!?!

1/9/2011 1:25:55 PM

If the shooter is schizophrenic, then what face just said is retarded.

The shooter is schizophrenic.

Face is a retard.

1/9/2011 1:39:36 PM

^ stop using your grammar brainwashing techniques on me !

1/9/2011 1:47:39 PM

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"It is legitimate to discuss whether there is a connection between that tone and actual outbursts of violence"

The problem however is the assumption of causation. It's just as reasonable to speculate that as politicians engage in behavior which increases the amount of violent and angry rhetoric, that actual violence will increase as well. And it's not like violent rhetoric in politics is something recent or new, the last 10 years have been full of people using extremely violent rhetoric and imagery to make their points.

1/9/2011 2:30:27 PM

I heard that Giffords is Jewish and Loughner had connections with an anti-Semitic and nativist organization, American Renaissance.

1/9/2011 2:38:43 PM

Yeah, I did read that there were people praying at her synagogue so she's definitely Jewish. That assertion might be correct.

1/9/2011 2:41:19 PM

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"Who knows what this guy motivations were, and I think its a shame that both sides are trying to spin this for their parties gain"

That's the only thing that could have happened

1/9/2011 2:42:39 PM

Nevermind

[Edited on January 9, 2011 at 2:54 PM. Reason : ]

1/9/2011 2:53:35 PM

http://www.kvoa.com/news/person-of-interest-drove-loughner-s-cab-unaware/

The 2nd person of interest was the cab driver who drove him to the Safeway and is not considered a suspect. Looks like he did this on his own.

1/9/2011 3:27:19 PM

I'm surprised this guy didn't kill himself. Don't these people usually off themselves right after the act?

1/9/2011 3:51:29 PM

Sounded like he got tackled before he could have maybe? I don't know. Apparently he had a 9mm Glock with 2 30-round clips and 2 15-round clips so if he killed 6 people + wounded 14 more that might have meant he only got off one clip before he was stopped. I imagine firing into a crowd it wouldn't be hard to hit on 2/3 of your shots and 4 of the casualties were over 60 years old and one was the 9 year old girl. He might have thought he could last a little longer but he got stopped thankfully.

1/9/2011 3:56:15 PM

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"During a search of Loughner's home, authorities found an envelope with handwriting that read "I planned ahead," and "My assassination" and the name "Giffords," as well as Loughner's signature."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/rep-gabrielle-giffords-remains-critical-conditions-shooting/story?id=12574682&page=1

Well there you have it. Obviously he was gunning for Giffords specifically.

1/9/2011 4:04:35 PM

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"Anyone remember how conservatives lauded this guy as some sort of superhero? I'm willing to bet if Jared Lee Loughner had not shot anyone, he would have been viewed in the same."

I'm willing to bet that if Hitler hadn't killed 6 million jews and started a world war that people would look at him differently, too

1/9/2011 5:11:54 PM

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"I blame the gunman. But then again I believe in personal responsibility. Some of you people like to have these neat little prepackaged ideals to place blame to. Then again you're the same people that regurgitate MSNCB/CNN without having a single independent thought of your own."

And what about taking personal responsibility for the social consequences of your words and actions? Palin's rhetoric creates a culture and a background of aggression in which shit like this can more easily grow. Unless you think "cause" means something other than "increases the probability of an event occurring" (which is probably the most empirically friendly definition), then explain to me how violent rhetoric, repeated over and over for the course of months and years, doesn't cause an increase in propensity for violence?

1/9/2011 5:55:22 PM