theres supposed to be an external server browser (kind of like how you can browse source servers in steam outside of the game) that launches into the game when you pick a server. that makes sense i guess, but its really dumb if you have to exit the game and restart it if you wanna pick a different server.

8/22/2011 9:59:01 AM

Yeah that's terrible.

8/22/2011 10:02:10 AM

they ran most of the demos at E3 and stuff on 2x GTX 580s. There is no way anything below a single 580 or highly OC'd 480 will be able to run this game at or near max @ 1080p.

That external server browser was only for ALPHA, I keep saying DICE should have never let EA put a public Alpha, due to people saying stupid shit like this.




[Edited on August 22, 2011 at 12:44 PM. Reason : .]

8/22/2011 12:43:51 PM

http://bf3blog.com/2011/08/battlefield-3-pc-version-wont-have-in-game-server-browser/

so you're saying this is bullshit?

8/22/2011 2:23:17 PM

That is news to me and makes very little sense. I bet after a few months that is changed, but the Alpha version didn't even really have an options menu; so I figured the same went for the server browser.

Is there some benefit to doing it like this that I'm not aware of? I know the BC2 in game browser was very slow for a long time. Maybe they have an in game browser in the works but don't want to pull another BC2.

Two things,

1: BC2 was unable to be played by a mass majority the first day due to the server browser
2: We had better be able to skip anything that plays before the game comes up.



[Edited on August 22, 2011 at 5:23 PM. Reason : _]

8/22/2011 5:15:35 PM

DP



[Edited on August 22, 2011 at 5:16 PM. Reason : _]

8/22/2011 5:16:20 PM

In before the BF3 stats server tanks and refuses anyone to join a multiplayer session. lol

My buddy with 460 SLI said he had no issues with the alpha. I'm hopeful my single 5870 will hold its turf.

8/22/2011 5:39:49 PM

The Alpha was only 2 maps and they were very small and honestly look nothing like anything we've seen in videos (especially the newest video).

The version of the game was Alpha 1.0.0.0.0 I believe it was the original release, the very first stable copy of the game. There was nothing but infantry and like I said a lot of closed quarters and small maps.

The Release Client is going to be much harder to run. At GamesCom they used 2x GTX 580s on all the computers to show the game to the public/press.

8/22/2011 6:32:55 PM

Quote :

"I'm hopeful my single 5870 will hold its turf."

Same boat here, and I'm sure we'll be fine.

8/22/2011 6:41:05 PM

as long as you don't want DX11 or Ultra settings at 1080p

8/22/2011 6:41:47 PM

thought dx11 runs faster on amd cards than dx10 api. I can live with high settings. Kinda sucks that they dont make the 5870's anymore cause I was hoping a year later that I would pick up a 2nd one for cheap. Guess I'll have to resort to ebay or buy my friend's card when he dumps his.

8/22/2011 6:55:34 PM

I can combine a 5770 and 6770 in crossfire right? I'm thinking that's what I'll have to do if possible.

8/22/2011 8:41:24 PM

asynchronous crossfire drivers are shitty right now. Would have to wait a while till they dish out the bugs and gain more support. Its a great idea, but damn. I so glad I'm not a programmer to solve that problem. Gotta give people who do that kind of coding props.

8/22/2011 8:58:26 PM

I'm too much of a computer noob to know what that means. Are you saying that two different cards don't work that well, and that it would be better to add another 5770?

8/22/2011 9:01:04 PM

if you want two different amd cards to work together, that's called asynchronous crossfire. Two of the same cards is called synchronous crossfire. In theory, it should work, but driver and software support is still new. Expect quite a few months for them to figure it out, otherwise they'll just drop the idea if it becomes too hard to implement. They are trying to get it to work for their APU with dedicated gpu cards.

Right now, I would stick with trying to find a 5770 card if you want to crossfire, otherwise just dump yours on ebay and upgrade to a more powerful gpu(s) solution.

8/22/2011 9:28:38 PM

ah ok, thanks.

i may end up dumping the 5770, getting a 6950 and unlocking it to a 6970

8/22/2011 9:47:10 PM

Quote :

"Would a GTX 550 Ti run this game maxed out without any hitches?"

8/22/2011 10:18:12 PM

Quote :

"thought dx11 runs faster on amd cards than dx10 api. I can live with high settings. Kinda sucks that they dont make the 5870's anymore cause I was hoping a year later that I would pick up a 2nd one for cheap. Guess I'll have to resort to ebay or buy my friend's card when he dumps his."

You look on the web and find me one game where turning on DX11 features @1080p and High/Max Settings that increases the FPS and I'll give you $100.

The idea was that tessellation and all that DX11 would increase FPS, but in reality it kills FPS. Especially the 5800 series when it comes to tessellation (this is why they made the 6k series so fast after the 480 launched) is extremely slow. BF3 uses an insane amount of DX11 features from tessellation to DirectCompute and countless others. BF3 is only the 3rd game that is truly DX10 from the ground up. All other games are DX9c with DX10 or DX11 features added on top (you can thank consoles for that).

People are hoping the next gen of GPUs will deal with DX11 better. Right now Fermi (GTX 400/500 Series) is the best at tessellation which is the most used out of all the DX11 features in current games. It was so funny when Dirt 2 launched and ATI (now AMD) tried to use that to sell their rushed DX11 cards and the only thing DX11 did was tessellation on the crowd and dynamic water. Now AMD has admitted they are going to follow suit with Fermi and make a General Processing GPU, also known as GPGPU. Oh and dude, join a computer hardware forum (Guru3D, AnAndTech, XtremeSystems) and you'll find another 5870 in a heartbeat for dirt cheap.

DX11 promised new technology, not more FPS with the added eye candy. The same rule applies, the more eye candy, the more hardware is needed to maintain FPS.





[Edited on August 22, 2011 at 11:36 PM. Reason : .]

8/22/2011 11:32:25 PM

Hey man answer my question!!

8/22/2011 11:59:21 PM

funny, my laptop with a 6650 plays dx11 games faster than dx9/dx10. But that could be driver issues since its the APU with the 6520 integrated.

8/23/2011 1:11:03 AM

Back to the game and not components needed to play the game...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-ukxgldpOo&feature=youtu.be

looks like from the previews there will be lots of bright lighting things in BF3, the lasers, flashlights and fire/sparks.

9/5/2011 7:18:20 PM

lmao if they're gonna be DLCing functional items for PC i dont think im gonna buy it

9/5/2011 11:03:49 PM

DLC's have typically been very limited though.

9/6/2011 9:56:08 AM

the only dlc for pc in bc2 was a texture pack.

if they're making guns and shit DLC then thats gay as hell

9/6/2011 12:58:07 PM

I don't mind this one single bit.

9/6/2011 9:20:22 PM

I highly doubt ea will cripple game play by making selective firearms as their own dlc. Maybe texture packs and new skins, and don't forget map packs (which we can thank COD for that fucking stupid idea). I just hope map packs come free like in bc2 did with that big update.

Anyhow, got my 25% off coupon for the preorder. I'm happy happy happy!

9/15/2011 12:06:31 AM

hoping i can run this at relatively high settings with unlock 6950-->6970 crossfire @ 2560x1440

gotta have dat 60 fps

9/15/2011 12:15:39 AM

doubtful, not that res. If you want 60fps at 1440p, then you need to CF your 6950. However, just one 6950 can still get 42fps while the 6970 is 48fps in BC2 at the 2560x1600 res, so I would expect somewhat similar performance to that. Maybe more like in the 30's, which is still quite playable, but since we don't know how the frostbite 2 engine will handle we can only assume at this point.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4061/amds-radeon-hd-6970-radeon-hd-6950/18

9/15/2011 2:03:13 AM

Man, I want to be cheap and not buy a new video card and not have to upgrade my windows install as well . . . I might as well get another HD, eliminate the old OS on the current main drive and then go from there . . . sigh, I don't really have the cash for all of that at the moment though.

9/15/2011 11:15:32 AM

News posted on EA blog about multiplayer maps and modes. Each weapon can have up to three accessories!

Oh and they tweaked the rush mode a bit, stuff that was annoying in BC2. mcom's can't be blown up by c4 or tank, if the mcom is armed and tickets run out - the game won't just end and if def starts to disarm and dies it will instantly blow up the mcom.

9/15/2011 10:06:24 PM

Quote :

"mcom's can't be blown up by c4 or tank,"

Annoying? Bullshit, I think it's entirely necessary. At least in BC2 it took a long time to blow it up this way, but I always thought it a viable strategy.

9/16/2011 12:48:54 AM

Quote :

" if def starts to disarm and dies it will instantly blow up the mcom."

that seems a little unfair

[Edited on September 16, 2011 at 11:42 AM. Reason : .]

9/16/2011 11:41:58 AM

Sometimes, it gets annoying with the attackers who just camp their spawn and fire rockets/tank shells at the mcoms, but I don't think it was worthy to take it completely out. The use of c4 is a little more bold and I don't mind it, I do that a few times myself. I just think the most annoying thing about the mcom was the whole ticket issue; where the game would just end when the mcom was 1/2 sec away from being blown up.

Honestly, it would be cool to add a game mode of where you have to destroy a tarket with c4 by blowing out the support walls of a large structure. Like in Red faction. I really liked their physics/building structure in that game even though its a year or two old now. Not sure how the engine handles building materials and/or real structural engineering.

9/16/2011 11:42:36 AM

^^Holyshit I didn't even see that. That's incredibly stupid, no way it stays in.

9/16/2011 11:48:51 AM

Quote :

"I highly doubt ea will cripple game play by making selective firearms as their own dlc"

maybe you're thinking of a different EA but thats basically EA's MO

Quote :

"mcom's can't be blown up by c4 or tank"

this is dumb

but yea the ticket thing is a good idea (same as how overtime works in TF2). But they also need to fix the tircket rewards for finishing off both mcoms in a section. its dumb when you're on a good team on the attack and you blow through 3 sets of stations and then you get to a tough set and your tickets are at 75 because it resets instead of adding tickets.

same if you're on defense and the attackers are down to 4 tickets or something and cap it and them blam they're back to 75.

[Edited on September 16, 2011 at 2:08 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on September 16, 2011 at 2:15 PM. Reason : jjj]

9/16/2011 2:04:45 PM

Well, I like the idea of adding tickets since its cumulative instead of just completely resetting for each new position. For example, if your team takes out the first two mcom's and you had like 50 tickets left, bc2 would just reset and you loose that initial 50 tickets. BF3 would allow you to keep that initial 50 tickets.

EA has a promo right now where you get a free copy of Dead Space 2 with your pre-order of BF3. Apparently, you can still get the game if you ordered it recently before they posted the promo.

http://store.origin.com/store/ea/html/pbPage.bf3promo/?ClickID=cas4xnpivakknvl47npknsffxpi7zk77lnka

To obtain DS2 AFTER you pre-ordered BF3 recently by a few days, this is how you add it:
1. Open Origin Beta software
2. Click the ? help button in the top bar of Origin
3. Click the 'Life Chat' button and wait for an EA CS (roughly 5 mins for me)
4. Tell them: "Yes, I was wondering about the promotion for Battlefield 3 and Dead Space 2. I recently pre-ordered BF3 on origin and was wondering if I can get it added to my account"
5. Add link to promo above
6. Add your order number

[Edited on September 16, 2011 at 7:33 PM. Reason : ]

9/16/2011 7:33:06 PM

@ Seedless: no a 550ti nor a 560ti will max this game at 1080p. Most guesses are to max everything in DX11 at 1080p you are going to need at least a 580, maybe more. You can assume BC2 + 40% on requirements and it may be higher.

Quote :

""I highly doubt ea will cripple game play by making selective firearms as their own dlc""

I agree, look at BC2; all they did was give visual DLCs, the DLCs for BF3 will be new maps/game modes.


Oh and I only paid $49.99 for this game from EA.com because of how far off I pre-ordered


^ thanks





[Edited on September 18, 2011 at 12:33 AM. Reason : $$]

9/18/2011 12:21:03 AM

BF3's engine isn't going to be that much of a performance hit BlackDog. If anything, what we saw with the alpha, its going to yield very similar frame rates as BC2. FB2 engine is far more advanced and more efficient that FB1 engine was. If anything, we'd see a light 10-20% performance hit. FB1 engine sucked at rendering transparencies associated with water. You could get 60+ frames elsewhere and then down to 20 if you were near a water fall.

Will the 550ti hit 60fps at 1080p with dx11 and max settings, doubtful, but it will be somewhat playable. Gets 35fps on BC2 so expect around 25fps. The 560ti is double the graphical power with 62fps. Honestly, the 460 does a better job than the 550ti for about the same price. The 460 does 45fps in BC2. You can find the 460 between 100-130 right now with the 550ti around 110-130. SLI the 460 and it'll spank everything except the 580 for half the cost.



Also, EA should make destroyable mcom's from C4/explosives a server option. That way it would be up to the players choice in rush mode. I don't mind blowing up an mcom in this reguards, but the other two seems interesting. Although the mcom blowing up after killing a def defuse seems like a very annoying new feature...

Can't win them all I suppose.

[Edited on September 18, 2011 at 2:56 AM. Reason : rush]

9/18/2011 2:52:39 AM

Quote :

"I agree, look at BC2; all they did was give visual DLCs, the DLCs for BF3 will be new maps/game modes."

There're already 2 functional DLCs. A mappack and an item pack. you get the mappack for preordering anywhere and you get the item pack for preordering or origin. if you dont preorder you'll have to buy them

[Edited on September 18, 2011 at 3:23 AM. Reason : a]

9/18/2011 3:22:57 AM

well the map pack dlc is included in the preorder because it's reported that the actual standard game that won't include them will go for a cheaper price (50). Think as the preorder as the limited edition version (60). The dlc will be around 10-15.

Would be cool if ea gave out the dev tools to make mods/maps for bf3, but I know they wouldn't do that since they didn't do it for bc2.

9/18/2011 6:41:21 AM

Quote :

" Will the 550ti hit 60fps at 1080p with dx11 and max settings, doubtful, but it will be somewhat playable. Gets 35fps on BC2 so expect around 25fps. The 560ti is double the graphical power with 62fps. Honestly, the 460 does a better job than the 550ti for about the same price. The 460 does 45fps in BC2. You can find the 460 between 100-130 right now with the 550ti around 110-130. SLI the 460 and it'll spank everything except the 580 for half the cost."

You are wrong, even in an interview with a BF3 dev he recommended a single GTX 580 to max out the game at 1080p. Have you not watched the videos of the game play (especially the latest); this game is going to require way more resources than BC2. You are the only person (and I am on countless computer forums) that I have heard say BF3 won't be that taxing. If you don't believe me I can find the video where the dev says the recommended GPU. Basically if you don't have a highly OC'd 480 or a GTX 580, don't expect to be maxing this game out in anything above 720. I wish it wasn't true and hopefully it will have FXAA to save us some FPS, but from what everyone has said/seen this game may be the next Crysis 1 on PC.

Also like I said the alpha was nothing, it was small maps, almost no destruction, close quarters, closed off areas. It is nothing like what you see on the Caspian Border trailer. IMO they should have never let the public see Alpha, it looked horrible and it gave false hopes about the performance of the real game.



[Edited on September 18, 2011 at 1:50 PM. Reason : _]

9/18/2011 1:46:17 PM

that's true, the alpha didn't really stress the FB2 engine, but I was just going off personal experience. I did not read/see the developers talks and was hoping that the performance hit was just conjecture. Then again, I didn't record the frames on my friends system and he got playable frames on his one 5870 with max setting.

9/18/2011 2:14:17 PM

Quote :

"Would be cool if ea gave out the dev tools to make mods/maps for bf3, but I know they wouldn't do that since they didn't do it for bc2."

with bc2 it was understandable because that game was kind of a "hey lets shove this out to see if our new engine works" and it got way more popular than they thought.

with bf3 they would never release dev tools for modding because then they wouldnt be able to sell dlc.

[Edited on September 18, 2011 at 2:21 PM. Reason : ']

9/18/2011 2:21:39 PM

Don't forget, you're also not on countless computer forums.

9/18/2011 2:23:09 PM

^^ BF is famous on PC for letting people have the SDK Set. Hell the people who made Desert Combat mod for 1942 got hired by EA/DICE.

9/18/2011 2:27:58 PM

Quote :

"Don't forget, you're also not on countless computer forums."

Tru dat, i get my news from chit chat...

OH YEAH! desert combat mod! completely forgot about that. That shit was tight with bots. 3vs28 was fun.

9/18/2011 4:34:12 PM

Sys Requirements Out:

Minimum:
OS: WINDOWS VISTA (SERVICE PACK 2) 32-BIT
PROCESSOR: 2 GHZ DUAL CORE (CORE 2 DUO 2.4 GHZ OR ATHLON X2 2.7 GHZ)
MEMORY: 2 GB
HARD DRIVE: 20 GB
GRAPHICS CARD (AMD): DIRECTX 10.1 COMPATIBLE WITH 512 MB RAM (ATI RADEON 3000, 4000, 5000 OR 6000 SERIES, WITH ATI RADEON 3870 OR HIGHER PERFORMANCE)
GRAPHICS CARD (NVIDIA): DIRECTX 10.0 COMPATIBLE WITH 512 MB RAM (NVIDIA GEFORCE 8, 9, 200, 300, 400 OR 500 SERIES WITH NVIDIA GEFORCE 8800 GT OR HIGHER PERFORMANCE)
SOUND CARD: DIRECTX COMPATIBLE
KEYBOARD AND MOUSE
DVD ROM DRIVE

Recommended:
OS: WINDOWS 7 64-BIT
PROCESSOR: QUAD-CORE CPU
MEMORY: 4 GB
HARD DRIVE: 20 GB
GRAPHICS CARD: DIRECTX 11 COMPATIBLE WITH 1024 MB RAM (NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 OR ATI RADEON 6950)
SOUND CARD: DIRECTX COMPATIBLE
KEYBOARD AND MOUSE
DVD ROM DRIVE

Beta goes public in 9 days, 7 days for anyone who pre-ordered BF3 already or MoH:

"THE OPEN BETA STARTS SEPTEMBER 29TH ON XBOX 360, PLAYSTATION 3, AND PC. THOSE THAT HAVE ALREADY PRE-ORDERED THE PC DIGITAL DOWNLOAD VERSION OF BATTLEFIELD 3 THROUGH ORIGIN OR OWN THE LIMITED/TIER 1 EDITION OF MEDAL OF HONOR FOR XBOX 360, PLAYSTATION 3 OR PC, WILL HAVE EARLY ACCESS STARTING ON SEPTEMBER 27TH"



http://www.battlefield.com/battlefield3/1/beta

Also a new video on the Paris map: http://youtu.be/XhBjBy5OOFY





[Edited on September 20, 2011 at 6:29 PM. Reason : _]

9/20/2011 6:21:46 PM

lol @ someone playing this on a dual-core.

9/20/2011 10:36:10 PM

So will my 560 get me at least 40-45 frames?

9/20/2011 11:39:35 PM

^Depending on CPU and RAM, maybe.

Glad to see my dual HD 5870s will be more than enough.

9/21/2011 12:24:02 AM