Jesse's downfall is really starting to get to me. I feel so badly for him. Even the look of rejection he had when Walt said he couldn't go ride go carts got to me.

8/4/2011 3:15:32 PM

Yeah I just can't see how things can end well for him at this point. I hope they do, but I'm not optimistic.

8/4/2011 3:23:31 PM

Is Saul's huge security guard an FBI/DEA plant?

8/5/2011 1:12:42 PM

what did you see to lead you to that conclusion? he hasn't really done much except blow up walt's bathroom and stare at a secretary

8/5/2011 1:51:10 PM

to be honest the DEA isn't really onto Walt yet, they were close but they never found him, seeing as how Saul would be down the line from Walt i don't think he is a plant by the DEA, other local authorities might have planted him b/c Saul is a known dirt bag maybe, but that is a stretch

plus i'm pretty sure any evidence that was found between a person and his lawyer would be confidential, so anything that the fat dude heard in a conversation would be inadmissible in court so again i dont think it was a plant by the DEA (although i am pulling that out my ass, i really have no idea)

[Edited on August 5, 2011 at 3:58 PM. Reason : no idea]

8/5/2011 3:58:06 PM

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"what did you see to lead you to that conclusion? he hasn't really done much except blow up walt's bathroom and stare at a secretary"

Allegedly he had to use the bathroom. Saul told him he wasn't supposed to come inside. Maybe he just wanted to snoop around upstairs.

The staring in the first episode seemed totally arbitrary. It added nothing to the show. Since the character re-appeared in this episode, I am led to believe that the weird staring was just a way to burn his image into our memory for later use.

8/5/2011 4:30:02 PM

I don't see Jesse surviving this season

8/8/2011 8:43:40 AM

maybe not even the next episode.

i wonder why mike was in the truck in the first place

8/8/2011 10:42:04 AM

probably to make sure the shipment wasn't hijacked. they need to be more wary of their actions after Gus wiped out a branch of the cartel.

8/8/2011 11:10:46 AM

I always thought Mike was higher up on the food chain than 'sit in a freezer truck for hours and wait to get shot at'

8/8/2011 12:31:33 PM

i assume that would have been Victor's job, but seeing as how his corpse is decomposed in a barrel somewhere, Mike then takes that job. they have the new guy, but i imagine he's still too 'green' to be trusted with an entire shipment. Gus has a small group of muscle considering how expansive the distribution is.

i wish they would have touched more on the cartel lighting up that truck, but alas, it will have to wait til next week.

Jesse has to go. if he sticks around much longer, it will become a little unrealistic. he's like a cat, on life 8 out of 9. Gus has no use for him anyway.

8/8/2011 2:29:21 PM

Kurt Sutter (whoever the fuck that is), showrunner for Sons of Anarchy (whatever the fuck that is) says that Mad Men showrunner Matt Weiner's big pay raise is responsible for the negotiating trouble AMC and Breaking Bad are having and for The Walking Dead's Frank Darabont being fired:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/12/kurt-sutter-sons-of-anarchy-matthew-weiner-amc_n_925201.html

Why this guy is getting involved in everyone else's business, I have no idea, but he seems like a massive douchelord from his Twitter account.

I don't watch The Walking Dead, but apparently it's sucked since the first episode or two. They should just cancel WD (and The Killing while they're at it) and give that money to Gilligan for the final season of Breaking Bad. Walking Dead might have better ratings, but Mad Men and Breaking Bad are two of the three best shows on TV (the other being, IMO, Boardwalk Empire).

[Edited on August 12, 2011 at 12:30 PM. Reason : s]

8/12/2011 12:29:44 PM

The Walking Dead is pretty awesome IMO.

and Breaking Bad is an awesome show, but i feel that the show shouldn't go more than one season past the current season. past that, how long could Walter really get away with all this? he's had so many close calls, and with certain future close calls, it would become contrived, which is the worst thing you can do to a show.

8/12/2011 12:35:23 PM

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"I don't watch The Walking Dead, but apparently it's sucked since the first episode or two. They should just cancel WD (and The Killing while they're at it) and give that money to Gilligan for the final season of Breaking Bad. "

There is an extremely vocal minority on here who hates The Walking Dead, but it's certainly not a consensus opinion. The last I heard on the Breaking Bad negotiations was that they were going to do 20 episodes over two seasons to finish it out.

8/12/2011 1:00:27 PM

^ i assume that means two more seasons of 10 episodes each after this season concludes?

8/12/2011 1:32:28 PM

I think the breakdown is 13 and 7, but yes.

8/12/2011 1:40:10 PM

i like things to be even and symmetrical, so 10 and 10 made sense in my brain. i didn't even consider another combination.

very intrigued to see what happens to Jesse on Sunday. i have a feeling he's going to have a sit-down with Gus, and after that i have no idea.

8/12/2011 1:43:09 PM

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"I don't watch The Walking Dead, but apparently it's sucked since the first episode or two. They should just cancel WD (and The Killing while they're at it) and give that money to Gilligan for the final season of Breaking Bad. "

it had awesome ratings though so it would be stupid to cancel it, shitty or not

8/12/2011 1:54:49 PM

also, he's saying the show sucks even though he's never seen it...

8/12/2011 1:58:56 PM

^^^It's hard to envision them killing off Jesse this early in the season, I could certainly see it happening in the finale or penultimate episode and that setting up the arc for the 5th season though.



[Edited on August 12, 2011 at 2:04 PM. Reason : .]

8/12/2011 2:02:28 PM

^that's what i think as well

^^i thought i was pretty clear that i'm not saying it sucks because i haven't seen it...i was and am saying that from everything i've heard, the show has been garbage since the first couple episodes (and usually i hear that only the pilot was good). and i'm not getting that from the vocal minority on TWW, i'm getting that from every single person i've discussed that show with with whose opinion on television I somewhat respect. when you hear the same thing about a show said separately from many different people, you tend to believe it's probably true.

that said, i was half-kidding about them cancelling the walking dead. even if that show's first season WAS good, though, hard to imagine it remaining good with all that's happened to it between the end of the first season and now.

[Edited on August 12, 2011 at 2:33 PM. Reason : s]

8/12/2011 2:33:23 PM

i would say give it chance, though i can't see a zombie show lasting more than 2 seasons just because it would probably get stale.

and i agree, i can't see Jesse being killed yet, but realistically, he would have been killed already. if Gus doesn't kill him, what does he do? kick the shit out of him? give him a stern talking to? i feel like Jesse has used all of his passes up to this point. it kind of sucks knowing they won't kill a main character yet (most likely).

8/12/2011 2:54:56 PM

i mean, they COULD kill jesse in the middle of the season. it's not unprecedented...even in this show, they did kill the twins towards the middle of last season. obviously the twins weren't nearly as important as jesse, but they were a big part of season 3. WIRE SPOILERS BUT IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE WIRE YET WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU the wire killed off major characters towards the middle of seasons all the time (omar and boadie come to mind specifically).

but it would be bucking the trend if they killed off jesse this early in the season. it's not completely out of the realm of possibility, but it's unlikely. the possibility, though, is enough to give the situation (and the show) the tension it needs.

8/12/2011 3:00:53 PM

i think what makes a great show is you don't know which characters will make it episode to episode. the Wire examples are what i mean. i hate sometimes in shows that you can almost guarantee that certain characters aren't going anywhere regardless of their actions. that's why The Wire was such an amazing show.

i dunno, i guess it's just that in the world of drug dealing and drug manufacturing, there is very little margin for error, and it seems that Jesse and Walt have gotten away with a little too much. i understand Walt because he's a brilliant chemist, but Jesse? he's a worthless junkie, and he could be easily taken care of. he is now a liability.

8/12/2011 3:06:06 PM

but without jesse, there is no walt for gus. walt has made that clear. that's the ONLY reason gus or mike haven't killed jesse yet.

[Edited on August 12, 2011 at 3:12 PM. Reason : /]

8/12/2011 3:12:27 PM

i just wonder how long that 'agreement' makes sense for Gus...like if police showed up to his house and found all that blue meth and alerted the DEA, that poses a massive problem for Gus' enterprise. this is why i am so excited for Sunday's episode because i would really like to know how they handle it.

8/12/2011 3:17:45 PM

I have a feeling Mike is just keeping up appearances at this point. He's realized everything Walt said to him made a lot of sense, and the punch in the face was just a show.

8/12/2011 9:40:46 PM

I think you guys are crazy. There's no way they are going to kill of Jesse after Aaron Paul won the Best Supporting Actor emmy last year (and a second nomination in a row). I'm not saying it doesn't make sense in the context of how the season seems to be going, but I just don't see the bigwigs being able to off him in the middle of a season like that. At the very least they'll wait til the end of the season like they did with Rita on season 4 of Dexter. And don't compare this to killing off Omar in The Wire. The majority of their characters weren't on consecutive seasons, unlike breaking bad where there is a very small set of characters.

Are there any links to the rumors that breaking bad is almost at the end of it's run? Shows rarely finish when they are still the network's top show, I find this hard to believe too.

8/13/2011 12:22:24 AM

if they keep a character around because he has emmy nominations, then the show has been compromised and it should end. period.

8/13/2011 1:54:21 AM

if they don't keep the only likable main character around, then the show has been compromised and it should end. period.

8/13/2011 4:07:59 AM

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"And don't compare this to killing off Omar in The Wire. The majority of their characters weren't on consecutive seasons"

The fuck are you talking about? Did you even watch the show? The VAST majority of the characters on The Wire were in every season (consecutively) until they were killed. Even when Season 2 shifted focus to the docks, they still found a way to work in the street characters like Stringer and D'Angelo Barksdale heavily.

As far as Breaking Bad nearing the end of its run, Vince Gilligan has been saying for a long time that he has been planning for the fifth season to be the final season, but now it sounds like AMC is trying to convince him to stretch it to six seasons. Here's one link:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/08/01/breaking-bad-renewal-talks/

Also, Breaking Bad, while fucking awesome, is not the best show on its network. That honor would go to Mad Men.

On the Jesse thing, I don't really mind what they do as long as whatever they do does justice to the story and the characters. I could see them coming up with a scenario where it makes sense for Jesse to survive (for instance, say, as Bweez alluded to a few posts up, that Mike realizes Walt is right about Gus and takes part in a plan to help Walt murder Gus; if that happened, it's highly likely that Jesse would survive this season). That said, I do think the conclusion that makes the most sense right now for his arc is him being killed or overdosing.

[Edited on August 13, 2011 at 2:16 PM. Reason : jesse]

8/13/2011 2:12:09 PM

Gus would be an extremely hard man to replace/fill in for. He had all the connections for distribution, owned Pollos and the laundrymat place, etc. I could see killing him as an endgame to get out of the meth cooking industry, but beyond that he's just as essential as Walt is

8/13/2011 6:05:19 PM

well if gus dies this season then next season will be more about the DEA.

8/14/2011 3:30:47 AM

AMC officially picked up Breaking Bad for 16 more episodes, which may or may not be split up into mini seasons

8/14/2011 9:12:51 PM

Walt is a moron

8/15/2011 8:16:44 AM

moron for getting drunk and putting himself in that position I guess


and im assuming it was the writers' intention to be annoying as hell w/ that hispanic background music

8/15/2011 9:31:24 AM

he's very cocky about his skill as a chemist...he couldn't keep his mouth shut when Hank attributed his work to someone else

8/15/2011 12:05:05 PM

^^I came here to say I loved the music.

8/15/2011 5:30:18 PM

some of it seemed out of place

like the very beginning when Walt was driving/talking on the phone

8/15/2011 5:35:21 PM

So, why do you guys think Gus planned for that to take place with Jesse? When it first happened, I thought Mike was setting Jesse up to get murdered by those dudes by lulling him into a false sense of security on the previous pickups. Now, though, I don't know what to think.

After the car scene, I thought that maybe Gus realizes how important Walt and Jesse are to his operation right now, so he wanted to give Jesse a sense of purpose that might put him in a better mindset to be able to work. But, that wouldn't make sense, because Gus HATES Jesse and only really thinks Walt is valuable to his operation. Now, I'm guessing that MAYBE he's trying to give Jesse this other job to try to create a rift between he and Walt? But then, why would he have faked that robbery? So that Jesse likes his second job and would want to return to it? What do you guys think?

8/17/2011 11:00:31 AM

mike said something like "you made him feel like a hero" so maybe they want jesse to trust gus/mike a little more to not expect when they do decide to clip him

victor would have never thought gus would have done what he did because he thought there was mutual trust/respect, so maybe they want jesse to get that same sense of false trust/respect

8/17/2011 11:14:18 AM

you guys got it all wrong.

Mike knows that Gus set him up (after it happened, but before he didn't know squat). The guys were there to Kill Jesse but I bet Mike is thinking to himself, those guys would've shot me too. So now Mike is thinking he is expendable like the guy Gus sliced. Mike just said the whole " hero " thing to Gus to make him believe that he didn't know what was up.

I think this is the turning point for Mike, where he will side with Walt because he knows his time is up with Gus.

[Edited on August 17, 2011 at 12:03 PM. Reason : x]

8/17/2011 12:02:48 PM

^I mean, maybe, but that sounds like quite a stretch. I don't think there's any reason that Gus would want to kill Mike right now. I mean, for Christ's sake, Mike is Gus' only reliable muscle and he's in the middle of a war with the cartel. And the conversation in the car reeeeally made it seem like Gus and Mike had discussed what was going to go down beforehand. I could be wrong, but I think Mike even said, "It went down pretty much like you said it would."

[Edited on August 17, 2011 at 12:25 PM. Reason : ]

8/17/2011 12:25:14 PM

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"all of it is just a build-up for the little play that Gus and Mike stage for Jesse's benefit at the final pick-up spot. A good con requires preparation, and Gus - like Walter White, and like Vince Gilligan, for that matter - is a patient man. He knows that Jesse needs some sense of purpose to shake him out of his nihilist phase. He's aware of how the Walt/Jesse partnership works: that even though they're protective of each other, Walt tends to treat Jesse like garbage, and Jesse lets him because he's hoping for another moment of approval from his surrogate father figure like the one in the hospital room in "One Minute." And in one well-executed chess move, Gus gets Jesse to start taking pride in both his job and the approval of the men who employ him."

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/breaking-bad-shotgun-holding-the-bag

8/17/2011 1:15:36 PM

^^^if they were there to kill jesse....

jesse would probably be dead

8/17/2011 1:52:45 PM

^^Yeah, I read that...Sepinwall's great, and that's what I initially thought when it happened. Still, though, that explanation didn't exactly satisfy me; we can't discount the fact that Gus doesn't like Jesse and he seems to not care a lick about Jesse's well-being. I'm still suspicious that that was part of a grander plan to eventually kill Jesse.

[Edited on August 17, 2011 at 1:57 PM. Reason : s]

8/17/2011 1:56:15 PM

i dont know if it has been covered in the previous 3 seasons topics, but i've been thinking about this recently

this series always seems that the characters and the scenes are somewhat real. The users/dealers (badger and whatever his name is) look and act like druggies, Walt looks like a high school teacher and so on and so on, or at least what i pictured these characters could look like. Basically, I am saying I believe the show to be somewhat realistic, although, i dont have any experience with large scale meth production/distribution.

The only character that seems "over the top" is Saul. I mean his character is like a caricature of a sleezy lawyer. This overall probably didn't need to be the case. There are shows where you have lawyer characters portrayed as intelligent and dirty and it seems fine (sopranos/the wire)...

What I was thinking about was whether this is intentional, just a coiencidnece, some sort of comic relief or what. Did any of the behind the scenes players (producers/director) have a bad experience or something, or is there another reason for this?

also just fyi, although saul's character seems out of place, he is still one of my favorite characters

8/18/2011 2:17:38 AM

Dang, Walt is really screwing up.

^Excellent point.

8/22/2011 4:57:48 PM

Skylar is a cunt.

8/22/2011 7:27:37 PM

^

8/22/2011 8:13:19 PM