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"Right, but his bowl record is pretty bad as well"

for the millionth time i'd rather lose the orange bowl than win the belk bowl

seriously, I shouldn't even bother because arguing bowl records is an instant credibility drain. does anyone really think that winning the champs or belk bowl was a defining moment for TOB - if so, LOL @ them

and at Navy? HE GOT NAVY TO BOWL GAMES. do you know what kind of a miracle that was given Navy's history over the 2 decades before he arrived? and honestly, who gives a fuck if PJ lost to BC on a last second FG when he ended a 44 year losing streak to Notre Dame and beat Army and Air Force during the season? nobody who actually comprehends what really matters (hint, outside of the title game, bowl games mean dick)

[Edited on October 11, 2012 at 11:12 PM. Reason : /]

10/11/2012 11:08:29 PM

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"he ended a 44 year losing streak to Notre Dame"

Wasn't that their "6-6 and we're turning down a bowl year"?? I think they lost to UConn that year as well.

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"hint, outside of the title game, bowl games mean dick"

Really?? Then you should probably shut the fuck up about this:

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"for the millionth time i'd rather lose the orange bowl than win the belk bowl"

10/12/2012 6:53:16 AM

jesus christ man, at this point you HAVE to be trying to come across as ignorant and/or obtuse. there is no way you are actually this stupid.

the whole "lose the orange bowl" thing is a perfect reflection of my belief in bowls, not contradictory towards it. because they are mere reflections of how the regular season went for a team. saying I'd rather lose the bowl the ACC champion goes to means I put a hell of a lot more weight on what happens before the bowl game.

would anyone really have given two shits if Rivers lost his final bowl game against kansas? fuck no. because he beat Florida State and UNC that year, both monumentally bigger wins than some mazda tangerine bowl. the same can be said about every. single. bowl. game. unless you're playing in the title game, there is not a single bowl game that matters

and who gives two shits if Notre Dame was bad that year. it was NAVY. BEATING. NOTRE DAME. Does the fact Michigan had a bad year take away AT ALL from the win Appalachian State had over them? Fuck no. Do you think Duke fans sat around in 2009 being bummed that state was shitty that year, and thus beating the pack was somehow less of an achievement? Or how about that State win over a really shitty UNC in 2007? yeah, that was meaningless because UNC blew.

seriously, it's as if you want to completely shred your credibility in a georgia tech thread. amusing

[Edited on October 12, 2012 at 9:44 AM. Reason : ,]

10/12/2012 9:19:27 AM

I bet clemson wishes they had won the chick fila bowl instead of getting 70 points hung on them in the orange bowl.

10/12/2012 9:43:30 AM

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"I bet clemson wishes they had won the chick fila bowl instead of getting 70 points hung on them in the orange bowl."

yeah, I'm sure clemson fans are super pissed they won the ACC title last year. I mean furious. woulda been better to drop a couple extra regular season games, and not even make the title game so they could get that amazing bowl win

jesus christ - it's like whenever you think the dumbest thing ever has been said, someone comes in and completely redeems this place

[Edited on October 12, 2012 at 10:00 AM. Reason : .]

10/12/2012 9:44:56 AM

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"and who gives two shits if Notre Dame was bad that year. it was NAVY. BEATING. NOTRE DAME. Does the fact Michigan had a bad year take away AT ALL from the win Appalachian State had over them? Fuck no. Do you think Duke fans sat around in 2009 being bummed that state was shitty that year, and thus beating the pack was somehow less of an achievement? Or how about that State win over a really shitty UNC in 2007? yeah, that was meaningless because UNC blew."

Um yeah...actually all of those wins are diminished somewhat when that team sucks. The App State/Michigan game is a perfect example. Everybody thought it was ridiculous when it happened and then Michigan went on to be pretty mediocre the rest of the year and it was all, "Yeah...cool win, but not quite as impressive now that we know Michigan is not that great." Wasn't App State the FCS national champion at the time?

[Edited on October 12, 2012 at 10:11 AM. Reason : .]

10/12/2012 10:04:34 AM

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"Technically, TOB's best year was when he won the Big East...and while a shitty conference, it probably compared pretty well to the shitty state of the ACC the past couple of years."

I'd rank that up there with the biggest disappointments of his entire career and not his best season. 2005 and 2006 were both better IMO.

That year they were co-Big East champs but they needed to beat Syracuse to make a BCS bowl game and instead let the fourth string RB who was actually a defensive back rush for 150 yards and 2 TDs and then seal the game with an INT return for a TD.

[Edited on October 12, 2012 at 10:16 AM. Reason : X]

10/12/2012 10:15:30 AM

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"do you know what kind of a miracle that was given Navy's history over the 2 decades before he arrived?"

1) Argues Navy's history sucks

2) Doesn't recognize TOB took over 3-9 team / PJ inherited a program that had made 11 straight bowls

3) So is history relevant or not seaman?

10/12/2012 10:18:11 AM

NyM, facts such as those can't be bothered with around these parts. They might show a trend of TOB never getting it done.

10/12/2012 10:34:46 AM

I would say losing an overwhelming majority of your bowls is "not getting it done" as well.

10/12/2012 10:42:00 AM

It's so awesome that you keep clinging to bowl records. I bet you actually care about conference record in bowl games too. LOL @ you

Seriously...be honest here. For the past 4 seasons, would you rather have TOB's bowl record and regular season results or Paul Johnson's bowl record and regular season results?

oh, and one more thing. tho those of you who keep talking about "trends" and how TOB is trending better than Johnson. have you really forgotten that TOB needed a historical comeback against Maryland to SAVE HIS JOB last year? some trend.

[Edited on October 12, 2012 at 11:07 AM. Reason : .]

10/12/2012 10:45:00 AM

NOBODY WANTS PAUL JOHNSON.







(sunglasses)

10/12/2012 11:20:54 AM

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"It's so awesome that you keep clinging to bowl records."

I think you keep mixing up my arguments with other posters. I've commented that he has a shitty record when other teams have time to prepare for his offense...but others have brought up his bowl record.

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"Seriously...be honest here. For the past 4 seasons, would you rather have TOB's bowl record and regular season results or Paul Johnson's bowl record and regular season results? "

No, but we've already talked about how Johnson was left with a much better team than TOB.

I would much rather have TOB's season last year and his current season this year than what Johnson has had these past two years.

I also don't think Johnson is a bad coach. I just don't think his system and coaching philosophy can consistently win in a BCS conference (is there a team in a BCS conference that is consistently winning with the triple option???)...which that is kind of showing right now. Obviously he has time to right the ship, but its not looking good right now.

[Edited on October 12, 2012 at 11:37 AM. Reason : .]

10/12/2012 11:26:59 AM

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"but others have brought up his bowl record."

seriously? your last post in the thread just before this one was talking about how his bowl record was an indicator of not getting it done. is this real life?

anyway...

you know what's funny? had Georgia Tech beaten Virginia Tech in November last year, they would have gone to PJ's second ACC title game in 4 years of coaching in Atlanta.

yet you'd rather have a season where TOB needed a miracle to not only keep his job, but to just finish .500 in the ACC and 4th in his division. and lost to Johnson. and went to a worse bowl game (but State won it so obviously great success).

but yes, in the case of this year, state is off to a better start. it will be interesting to see if GT can turn it around on defense and still make a bowl game

you win. you've dumbed yourself into me giving up on trying to address your arguments.

[Edited on October 12, 2012 at 12:55 PM. Reason : .]

10/12/2012 12:47:53 PM

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=78&f=1408&t=9694029

You going to go over there and convince this majority as well?

Way to completely avoid my post on history as well.

10/12/2012 12:56:20 PM

I only discussed bowls after you brought it up. I haven't mentioned bowl games in any of my posts in this thread.

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"you know what's funny? had Georgia Tech beaten Virginia Tech in November last year, they would have gone to PJ's second ACC title game in 4 years of coaching in Atlanta."

If we had beaten Clemson and not kicked a 6 yard punt...

If we hadn't laid an egg against Maryland the following week....

10/12/2012 1:19:50 PM

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"for the millionth time i'd rather lose the orange bowl than win the belk bowl"

I never made that argument. But, if you want to be a dick about it, I'd rather win the Champs Bowl over West Virginia and the Belk Bowl over Louisville than lose the Orange Bowl to Iowa, only to later have that loss eliminated from the books. And getting absolutely fistfucked by LSU in the Chick-Fil-A bowl isn't much to be proud of, either.

His bowl record sucks, own up to it. If your argument relies on evaluating the season as a whole (which is a position I agree with), then you can't simply dismiss his bowl performances as being irrelevant. They're not, they're a part of the season and should be factored in accordingly during his evaluation. The only argument that I ever made was that he does poorly against teams who have time to prepare for his offense, which is evidenced by his lousy record. Yet you seem to be going out of your way to excuse his bowl record and marginalize their worth rather than calculating that into your overall assessment of the coach.



2008: Loss 38-3 vs. LSU (Chick-Fil-A)
2009: Loss* 24-14 vs. Iowa (Orange)
2010: Loss 14-7 vs. Air Force (Independence)
2011: Loss 30-27 vs. Utah (Sun)

His crowning achievement is a vacated loss in the Orange Bowl, and a returned trophy for the vacated win in the ACC championship game.

So if the bowl placement is an indicator of how well of a season you have had (a position I would generally agree with), then Paul Johnson's best season was his first, where Georgia Tech was trounced in a game they did not belong in against LSU. And nothing you say about O'Brien has any effect on Georgia Tech's current situation.

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"hint, outside of the title game, bowl games mean dick"

Welp, if there's one person who probably agrees with you on that argument, it's Paul Johnson, who can't even be bothered to show up for those worthless games.

[Edited on October 12, 2012 at 2:19 PM. Reason : ]

10/12/2012 2:03:30 PM

lol you'd rather go to the champs bowl than win the ACC

[Edited on October 12, 2012 at 6:01 PM. Reason : .]

10/12/2012 5:59:29 PM

Just gonna go ahead and pretend that Georgia Tech didn't vacate that ACC championship, eh?

Okay, cool.

10/12/2012 7:17:28 PM

It's pretty easy to win an argument when you intentionally omit key parts of the other person's position.



Look, I don't care either way what Georgia Tech does, but you're flippantly ignoring significant criticisms of Paul Johnson just to....well, I don't know why you're doing that, to be honest.

10/12/2012 7:23:54 PM

Guess it was all about some Al Groh....

10/22/2012 2:52:04 PM

Groh is pretty terrible. Not sure how he ever got the Jet job, then I remembered its the Jets.

10/22/2012 3:43:58 PM

I was really waiting for a snarky response in defense of Paul Johnson before I posted this. But that never happened, so I'm gonna post it anyway. Hope it works:

10/22/2012 4:45:35 PM

that frozen frog sure showed em!

10/22/2012 8:12:44 PM

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"Guess it was all about some Al Groh...."

lol - slow down. it was boston college

10/22/2012 8:22:23 PM

^^^O'Leary is still probably kicking himself for leaving for ND.

10/22/2012 8:41:57 PM

i know. sometimes you can't always take a firing at face value. hang around, see if they change their mind

10/22/2012 8:53:53 PM

worked for jay leno

10/23/2012 4:07:52 PM

^^He didn't get fired from GT. What the hell are you talking about?

[Edited on October 23, 2012 at 6:04 PM. Reason : d]

10/23/2012 5:59:20 PM

lol

10/23/2012 6:02:58 PM

dangit. I read that wrong. didn't see the "for" in front of "ND", so I read it as "leaving ND"

10/23/2012 6:46:34 PM

Just goes to show if your resume is full of bullshit...don't change jobs. Cause employers tend to look at that shit.

10/23/2012 8:39:15 PM

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK IF PAUL JOHNSON LOSES EVERY FUCKING GAME FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR

AT LEAST HE WON'T BE SOME PUSSY PLAYING FOR OT LIKE TOB

[Edited on October 27, 2012 at 4:24 PM. Reason : and at least he has the balls to fire shitty coordinators]

10/27/2012 4:14:52 PM

BYU! BYU!

10/27/2012 4:46:20 PM

lets be honest, he fired his shitty coordinator to temporarily keep his ass from getting canned

10/27/2012 4:47:26 PM

keep saying BYU - maybe it will make TOB become unshitty

TOB - TRENDING UPWARDS WITH A LOSS TO UNC!`

[Edited on October 27, 2012 at 4:49 PM. Reason : .]

10/27/2012 4:48:42 PM

I'm only going to post this because you're being an reactionary dick.

Today's loss sucked. It sucked bad, and I'm upset. But I'm going to wait until the end of the year before I update both of these charts before I make a snap judgement after an emotional loss about the state of each program. I'm not going to make flash judgements about either program after one loss, because one game is too small of a sample size to make an appropriate evaluation.

So here you go.

10/27/2012 4:55:44 PM

you defended TOB's use of timeouts today and were blind to him playing for OT. you have virtually no clue about football other than what some chart can show you.

you are completely invalidated

[Edited on October 27, 2012 at 5:29 PM. Reason : .]

10/27/2012 5:22:28 PM

HA HA HA.

Hey Goldielocks...get help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

[Edited on October 27, 2012 at 5:23 PM. Reason : ^]

10/27/2012 5:22:44 PM

Both are coaches that should be fired. At least with us, we don't have to recruit from square one.

10/27/2012 5:29:18 PM

yeah, because TOB's cupboard is so full for 2013, right?

[Edited on October 27, 2012 at 5:31 PM. Reason : .]

10/27/2012 5:30:43 PM

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"you defended TOB's use of timeouts today and were blind to him playing for OT. you have virtually no clue about football other than what some chart can show you. you are completely invalidated"

I liked your earlier post where you called every game coached by Tom O'Brien an abortion.


And yeah, I defended the no-timeout.

I'd rather have the ball with the game tied and 3 timeouts left than have the ball with the game tied and only 2 timeouts left. That's hardly controversial reasoning.


But go on, tell me more.

10/27/2012 5:32:14 PM

we weren't playing for OT until Glennon got sacked on 1st down. I should go ahead and preemptively make that known.

10/27/2012 5:34:02 PM

like I said, your inability to see TOB being TOB after 5 1/2 years has made you completely invalid. no coach who is playing to win lets nearly a minute run off the clock with 3 timeouts in his pocket.

I'm glad this thread is here to help you cope

[Edited on October 27, 2012 at 5:37 PM. Reason : .]

10/27/2012 5:35:16 PM

we average more wins now than we did 5 1/2 years ago.


that's a fact.

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"like I said, your inability to see TOB being TOB after 5 1/2 years has made you completely invalid"

Let me rephrase what you just said:

"your inability to blindly hate TOB for being TOB after 5 1/2 years has made you completely invalid"

[Edited on October 27, 2012 at 5:37 PM. Reason : ]

10/27/2012 5:35:58 PM

Yesterday's loss against UNC doesn't change the fact that Johnson is in over his head at Tech.

10/28/2012 11:48:12 AM

What's the title of this thread again? I think it had something to do with Paul Johnson and his ability to coach.

PJ just got his ass ass handed to him again, at home, by BYU. BY-fucking-U.

Please, convince me how he has any credibility at all.

10/28/2012 12:08:22 PM

yeah, BYU is terrible. They nearly beat Notre Dame in South Bend the week before ND frog stomped Oklahoma. Lemme guess, you don't think ND is any good either?

but yeah, this season is a unmitigated disaster for Georgia Tech. Their defense is awful and the game yesterday was the worst offensive performance I've ever seen from a PJ coached team.

But PJ is still more credible than TOB. Which is what this thread is about. Because someone was butthurt that I was shitting on State's defense after the Miami loss.

BUT THIS CHART SHOWS TOB IS TRENDING UPWARD BECAUSE MARYLAND HAD THE BIGGEST COLLAPSE IN ACC HISTORY AND SAVED TOB'S JOB LAST YEAR!

lol @ you

[Edited on October 28, 2012 at 12:30 PM. Reason : .]

10/28/2012 12:24:38 PM

One coach will still have a job after this year. Care to guess which one?

10/28/2012 12:31:06 PM

god damn you people are stupid if you honestly think Johnson is going to get fired. It's not even about W/L. It's about the $10+ million he's still owed.

Georgia Tech isn't Auburn. They aren't in the position to fire a coach for missing one bowl game.

[Edited on October 28, 2012 at 12:39 PM. Reason : .]

10/28/2012 12:34:42 PM