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packboozie
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You misspelled San Francisco and St Louis

12/18/2012 7:16:01 PM

justinh524
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lol st louis lol

12/19/2012 9:04:23 AM

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"As much as I like the O's and their story, it is hard to believe it was anything but a flash in the pan. They didn't do anything this offseason and had a run differential of +7 with winning 93 games which is insane. Their ptching remains highly questionable and I am a huge seller of their strikeout heavy/poor plate disciplined lineup.

Adam Jones is completely overrated as a hitter and nick markakis is the only player in the lineup that can work a count. I expect regression from the 5 guys remaining on this that struck out over 100 times in 2012 (the O's actually had 7 guys strike out over 100 timesbut reynolds and andino are gone). No way does Chris Davis bat north of .250 again."



I could rip this analysis apart in about 5 mins, but this douche isn't worth my 5 mins.

12/19/2012 9:16:12 AM

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"also, the NL is officially 1. Washington 2. Cincinnati 3. everyone else."


LOL. Ignores world champs, st.louis, and atlanta like they are the astros or something.


Going back to the Royals-Rays trade, I don't think it was a horrible move by Dayton Moore given that the Royals have to start trying to win at some point. Their core of young hitters are in the bigs now (Gordon, Butler, Moustakas, Hosmer, Perez, Cain) and that is a decent lineup. Surround it with some good starting pitching and maybe you can make a wild card run considering that the AL Central is garbage outside of Detroit. Moore is going to get fired if they don't do something so he did what he could to try and win.

Plus Wade Davis still has a chance to be a solid front end rotation guy and there is no guarantee that Myers will be a superstar. Can't miss prospects end up missing all the time.

12/19/2012 9:34:05 AM

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"I could rip this analysis apart in about 5 mins, but this douche isn't worth my 5 mins."


there's nothing to really rip apart. he's pretty much right, but he just said a bunch of stuff about the 2012 orioles that everyone already knows.

12/19/2012 9:55:29 AM

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" Ignores world champs, st.louis, and atlanta like they are the astros or something."


all those teams have gotten worse over the off-season, not better.

12/19/2012 11:45:20 AM

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"lol st louis lol"


Do you know anything about any sport?

STL has won the most playoff games in MLB in the past 10 seasons.

But yeah count them out.

[Edited on December 19, 2012 at 10:30 PM. Reason : What moves should they make? Awesome lineup, young pitching, no questions?]

12/19/2012 10:27:38 PM

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http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/scott-miller/21535174/justin-upton-rejects-deal-to-mariners-but-still-could-be-short-timer-in-arizona
link says it all. JUp on the move soon, probably

[Edited on January 10, 2013 at 9:12 PM. Reason : [ o][o]

1/10/2013 9:11:49 PM

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"STL has won the most playoff games in MLB in the past 10 seasons. "


yes, and they've lost their franchises best player ever and have a roster full of old veterans on the backside of their careers.

1/11/2013 11:13:24 AM

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Rumors swirling of carlos gonzalez getting traded to STL

1/11/2013 11:22:16 AM

rflong
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^ I hope that is not true.

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"all those teams have gotten worse over the off-season, not better."


The Braves offense has gotten worse with the loss of Chipper and Bourne being replaced by the overpaid, overrated BJ upton, but the Braves pitching is stronger going into 2013 than 2012.

Medlen, Hudson, Minor, Maholm, Delgado/Teheran/Beachy is a good rotation especially when Beachy gets back and they've added another power arm to the already sick bullpen in Walden. Braves will be in the wild card hunt so you cannot dismiss them.

1/11/2013 11:57:11 AM

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"yes, and they've lost their franchises best player ever and have a roster full of old veterans on the backside of their careers."


You really are too dumb to talk to. Molina/Craig/Freese/Holliday are on the backside of their careers?

Did you see Trevor Rosenthal or Shelby Miller pitch?

And losing Pujols was such a blow they made the NLCS. Damn what a horrible year.

[Edited on January 11, 2013 at 3:21 PM. Reason : ^^Wow that would be awesome, I hope Rosenthal/Miller don't go for him though]

[Edited on January 11, 2013 at 3:23 PM. Reason : You have to be trolling, Pujols decision was a good one, look at his '12 numbers]

1/11/2013 3:20:37 PM

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retarded signing

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8846910/rafael-soriano-agrees-deal-washington-nationals-source-says

1/15/2013 7:11:10 PM

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Derek jeter is banging the direct tv genie

1/25/2013 3:13:31 AM

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Gio

He vehemently denied on twitter already.

Arod is still a piece of shit.

1/29/2013 11:56:31 AM

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Hopefully Gio gets suspended 50 games.. Might be the braves chance to hang with them for part of the season

1/29/2013 2:19:58 PM

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until a new thread is made:


http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9922289/detroit-tigers-hire-brad-ausmus-replace-jim-leyland-manager

guess they're trying to find some of the Bochy, Scioscia, Girardi, Matheny, former catcher magic

11/3/2013 11:29:43 PM

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Prince Fielder to Rangers
Ian Kinsler to Tigers

11/20/2013 9:29:42 PM

packboozie
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Lot of money for Texas to take on for an aging hitter.

Does Justinh still think STL got worse this year???

11/20/2013 9:51:09 PM

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Both Fielder and Kinsler are past their prime. Deal only really makes sense money wise for the Tigers and for the Rangers, it opens a spot for Profar to play 2B since Andrus is signed until 2030 under that stupid contract the Rangers gave him.

At least Fielder can become a full time DH now which is what he should have been 5 years ago. Fat fuck...

11/21/2013 8:58:54 AM

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Great trade for the tigers. Top prospect Castellanos will now move back to 3rd (they had him playing in left) where he was a plus defender. Also gives the tigers room to sign Scherzer, Nathan, and then because of being able to keep scherzer, they can finally trade porcello for a LF or bullpen help.

Dombrowski is a genius. Fielder is not a motivated player and is a bad clubhouse guy. Kinsler can still be an above average 2B for the next 4 years or so. Fielder could end up platooning in a couple years given how bad he had become vs LHP

11/21/2013 9:37:21 AM

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You also have the bonus of moving Cabrera back to 1B where he is only a bad fielder as opposed to a horrendous liability at third base.

11/21/2013 1:23:03 PM

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Great trade for Detroit IMO. Pretty questionable for Texas - maybe Prince turns it around, but they gave up a lot for him and still are taking on a TON of salary for whatever they feel like Prince can give them.

11/21/2013 3:15:53 PM

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Fister to Nats for ???

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10070572/washington-nationals-acquire-doug-fister-trade-detroit-tigers

12/2/2013 8:32:45 PM

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^ Good trade for the Nats. Clearly the Tigers are shedding payroll even though Dombroski says otherwise. Give up a legit #3 starter for pretty much nothing. GG Tigers. Make a good move dumping Fielder on the Rangers and follow it up with a stupid move getting rid of a quality starter.

12/3/2013 10:48:08 AM

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Jacoby Ellsbury.. 7 years, $153M to the yanks. I guess some things never change

12/3/2013 9:02:28 PM

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Holy hell. Boras/Ellsbury never made it a secret he'd be going to the highest bidder, but considering how much the Yankees need pitching and how much I thought they valued Cano, spending this much and losing a supplemental 1st round pick for signing Ellsbury isn't the route I thought they'd go.

12/3/2013 9:15:18 PM

fenway
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$240 million over 10 year for Cano. Starting at 2B for NYY Opening Day? Kelly Johnson.

12/6/2013 11:11:42 AM

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when will these ball clubs wise up and stop with these outrageously long contracts to guys that will be in their 40s by the end of the deal?

I was so happy this morning when MLBTR reported that Ms management blew up at Cano/JayZ's demands.


though I am sort of pleased to see an unusual team sign a star. Seattle isn't a contender for players like that, so it's good for them, but it will be 100% useless unless they get some other help beyond king felix.

12/6/2013 11:37:38 AM

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and Granderson to the Mess it seems

12/6/2013 11:42:36 AM

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I don't know much at all about Seattle's roster, but off the top of my head I don't know anyone there other than Cano/Felix/Iwakuma and maybe Raul Ibanez. Its a big signing for them, but they need a lot of other pieces to really make this signing worth something other than getting their name in the news.

12/6/2013 12:08:15 PM

BrickTop
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dammmmmnn full ntc for cano as well

12/6/2013 12:17:54 PM

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I think this was a bad move for Cano. I don't think the Mariners will ever be as competitively as the Yankees and if he wants to market himself further with merchandizing and endorsements going from NYC to ...just about anywhere is a horrible move.

As a Yankees fan I'm glad they didn't sign him to some stupid contract, though at the same time I'm not sure why they did the same for Ellsbury.

12/6/2013 1:21:38 PM

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Seattle isn't exactly a small market team. They have money to spend. Cano is just their 1st signing. Don't be surprised if they don't pull in another 1-2 big FAs, seeing as they are connected to every FA.

They have the fan base to do it also. You know the "if you build it, they will come..." mentality. Within 10 years ago they were a top 5 attendance franchise and if you follow football, you know they can get loud. Safeco is across the street from Century Link.

I say good move. Spend some to get some. It works.

12/6/2013 1:44:37 PM

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Homers ITT

Where is Jaybee

12/6/2013 1:59:50 PM

BrickTop
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the Ms need a whole lot more help than you think they'll be getting

12/6/2013 2:59:50 PM

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Horrible deal for Seattle. Cano is 31 I think so he'll be 41 at the end of this deal. So essentially the Ms will get 2-4 yrs of elite 2B hitting followed up by a slow decline and likely overpaid DH for the last 4-5 years. No as bad as the Pujols deal, but close. The AL West is the place to go for long term bloated contracts it seems.

As for the Yanks and Ellsbury, it's a ridiculous deal too, but if Ellsbury stays healthy the Yanks should at least get an elite player for 4 or 5 years. Plus they took him from their main rival which makes the signing even more valuable.




[Edited on December 6, 2013 at 3:47 PM. Reason : o]

12/6/2013 3:46:38 PM

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"elite player for 4 or 5 years"


I don't consider Ellsbury elite but that's like your opinion man. Dude has had one career year. Major injury concerns as well only playing 384 / 648 games in four years.

Teams just aren't going to learn that these big deals hamper teams so badly. CC, Pujols, ARod, Soriano come to mind.

12/6/2013 4:07:43 PM

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I have no sympathy for baseball teams. They just refuse to learn from previous mistakes. The money isn't nearly as bad a decision as the length of the contract. Congratulations, Mariners, you just made yourself irrelevant from 2017-2024.

12/6/2013 5:37:46 PM

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agreed^... $24M for him isn't all that bad. one could argue that it's a decent deal for the Ms based on AAV. but 10 years??? yeesh

Beltran to NYY, who are looking much more like the Steinbrenner Yankees that I love to hate so much

12/6/2013 10:26:40 PM

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they are ancient

not a single position player under 30. their average age on opening day will be 34

12/6/2013 10:49:12 PM

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"I don't consider Ellsbury elite but that's like your opinion man."


Ellsbury is an elite player WHEN he's healthy. That is why I said the Yanks might get 4-5 years of elite play if he stays healthy.

Should be some more Hot Stove stuff coming out this week with the winter meetings going.

Also I guess Roy Halladay retired and Garrett Jones signed with the Marlins

12/9/2013 4:21:59 PM

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