ah yes it was duke..it was the other way around though - wood talking and thorton pushing him

3/19/2013 9:52:33 PM

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"this team gets technicals all the time, what are you talking about?"

5 technicals in 34 games = ALL THE TIME

When I think undisciplined teams, I think teams who don't run the offensive sets, throw up terrible shots, turn the ball over constantly, don't share the ball, and generally don't seem to listen to a damn word the coach says. We're none of those things (aside from CJ occasionally being CJ).

Defense is another story, admittedly.

3/19/2013 9:52:39 PM

State passes the ball lazy as shit a lot of the time, it's quite breathtaking

3/19/2013 9:54:26 PM

okay you fucking idiots. here's a list of every power conference school w/ more technical fouls called on players this season.

missouri 9
ole miss 9
west virginia 9
southern california 8
auburn 7
california 7
arizona state (LOL) 6
duke 6
kentucky 6
wake forest 6

so i say again, we get technical fouls ALL THE TIME.

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"at least 1 of Leslie's was completely understandable, since he was getting mugged with no calls"

ah here's the problem, you don't know what "discipline" means.

3/19/2013 10:11:33 PM

i know what u mad bro means

and u mad

3/19/2013 10:14:05 PM

pointing out that you are unquestionably wrong makes me pretty happy, actually.

3/19/2013 10:14:55 PM

we are more disciplined than the ACC refs

3/19/2013 10:15:40 PM

You're right Simon, because 5 technical fouls in 34 games = undisciplined.

That Duke team, so undisciplined.

3/19/2013 10:50:20 PM

Can't wait to get this game over with and move onto Sunday!!!

3/19/2013 10:51:24 PM

^^ did you not read where we're 3rd in the ACC? and would be at least third in basically every power conference in the country? that's not insignificant.

FIVE TIMES this season a player on our team has gotten so upset that the other team was given two free shots. that is the most unacceptable thing you can do on a basketball court w/o getting kicked out. i'd consider doing it five times pretty considerable.

you keep throwing out 34 games, but let's be real, how many of those games was anyone upset about anything? we get a tech like every other hard game that we play.

and also, do you even watch this team? they pout all the fucking time, they make lazy passes all the time. they throw alley oops away all the time. in what way are we disciplined?

3/19/2013 10:55:34 PM

Fighting on the Internet is so 2004...

3/19/2013 10:59:24 PM

We both know, simonn, that there is no way you can convince anyone here that five fouls in 34 games is 'all the time'. We have one about every seven games, thus we have one about about every month. You're digging yourself deeper in the corner with your defense of this statement. Just admit you're wrong and wear it. No one bats 1.000.

3/19/2013 11:06:21 PM

^^^Did you even watch the games or know about the technicals? The last one against Leslie was complete bullshit. He got mugged three possessions in a row and was finally fed up with it and got T'd up. And you know what? The refs gave him respect for the rest of the game. As for Warren's technical, he tapped the ball to an opposing player that happened to be still on the court when he wasn't looking which also was complete bullshit. So before you write our team off as undisciplined, maybe you should have a fucking clue about what you are talking about and support NC State first and foremost.

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 11:17 PM. Reason : ]

3/19/2013 11:16:55 PM

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"FIVE TIMES this season a player on our team has gotten so upset that the other team was given two free shots. that is the most unacceptable thing you can do on a basketball court w/o getting kicked out. i'd consider doing it five times pretty considerable."

am i wrong or was that technical on wood called a double technical? if it was a double technical then that's hardly even worth counting considering we didn't give up any free throws from it. i mean, it counts as a personal foul. but if it's a double technical and neither team shoots free throws, it's really not a big deal.


[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 11:30 PM. Reason : ah words.]

3/19/2013 11:20:33 PM

Duke has 6 technicals this year, we had 5, Louisville had 4

buncha shitty teams

3/19/2013 11:26:19 PM

keep naming teams w/ more than us.

you will run out very quickly.

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"We both know, simonn, that there is no way you can convince anyone here that five fouls in 34 games is 'all the time'. We have one about every seven games, thus we have one about about every month. You're digging yourself deeper in the corner with your defense of this statement. Just admit you're wrong and wear it. No one bats 1.000."

#3 in the acc, tied for #11 among power schools? i'm not going to say that that's not an impressive showing, b/c i understand basic numbers.

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 11:34 PM. Reason : .]

3/19/2013 11:30:26 PM

High time Gott got a T

3/19/2013 11:32:54 PM

what's the argument?

that we're top15 for technical fouls? or that we're a very "undisciplined" team?

3/19/2013 11:33:39 PM

i haven't looked into it in much detail, since its meaningless, but how many of those FIVE technicals came in games we lost by one possession? ie, games where the technical fouls actually cost us a victory?

3/19/2013 11:34:17 PM

well, someone said they have no idea why someone would say we're undisciplined, to which i said we get technical fouls all the time. then people were like "no we don't, we only got 5 this season!", then i pointed out that that is in fact all the time relative to teams that take themselves seriously.

so that's the argument.

^ @fsu.

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 11:40 PM. Reason : .]

3/19/2013 11:36:23 PM

one technical foul didnt cost us to blow a 16 point lead against wake

blowing a 16 point 2nd half lead is actually a much, much better indicator of playing undisciplined than trying to point out # of technical fouls

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 11:40 PM. Reason : so we basically have 2 bad technical fouls all year, WOW]

3/19/2013 11:39:47 PM

and then he ignores where people point out that 2 of those were bullshit T's in the first place, and a 3rd was a bit ~ too, so we really only have 2.5. but that's not convenient for his "argument", so he just brushes them off

3/19/2013 11:39:53 PM

Well, the Wood technical was (I'm fairly certain) a double technical vs Duke. It resulted in 0 FTs for either team and we won the game. The TJW technical was vs UVa in the ACCT. We won the game. I only remember one CJL technical and that was vs FSU. We lost by 4. According to the box score, Ian Miller also got a technical foul that game. I don't really remember that though.

3/19/2013 11:40:10 PM

what is your point? that we're a disciplined basketball team? is that how you feel? really?

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"and then he ignores where people point out that 2 of those were bullshit T's in the first place, and a 3rd was a bit ~ too, so we really only have 2.5. but that's not convenient for his "argument", so he just brushes them off"

i'm ignoring this b/c it's fucking stupid. OH THOSE TECHS WERE BULLSHIT, DON'T COUNT. KNOW WHAT, NEITHER DO BULLSHIT LOSSES EITHER.

this is coming from a person that posted a blog entry about global warming that referenced an article on weather.com, and then when i pointed out that the original weather.com article was commented in by the author explicitly denouncing the posted blog entry, he ignores it for a week and then posts the same blog.

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 11:43 PM. Reason : .]

3/19/2013 11:41:15 PM

i wish the team was this pissed off before playing a single tournament game

3/19/2013 11:42:34 PM

yes, it's fucking stupid that T's that were bullshit and have nothing to do with actual discipline were called when considering if the T says anything about discipline. yeah, that makes a LOT of sense.

seriously, 5 technicals. If we had 2 and every other team had 1, you'd still be saying we have them "all the time."
hell, by your logic, us getting T-ed up against Maryland in the ACCT years ago for the waterboy wiping sweat off the floor is indicative of "no discipline"

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 11:45 PM. Reason : ]

3/19/2013 11:43:07 PM

imagine how many technical fouls duke would have as an overall team if K got T'd up every team he cussed out a ref

i'd say 20+

3/19/2013 11:44:40 PM

imagine how many we'd have if we got called every time leslie complained while play was going on.

like 20+. but we're somehow a disciplined team?

we're also 332nd in the country in opponents ft%, i.e. bad fouls.

the worst part is i MOSTLY LIKE this team. just stop saying things that aren't fucking true about it.

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 11:48 PM. Reason : .]

3/19/2013 11:47:51 PM

RAWR RAWR

3/19/2013 11:48:49 PM

If 5 technical fouls makes us undisciplined, would you also argue that Duke is an undisciplined team?

I think most of us would agree that Duke is not an undisciplined team.

3/19/2013 11:49:52 PM

imagine how many any team would have if they got called every time any player or coach complained while play was going on?

3/19/2013 11:50:35 PM

Technicals don't bother me. I had at least 8-9 in high school. Got ejected over wiping out a guy intentionally and once for dropping an f bomb in a refs face. Had coaches remove me for kicking a guy who was down on floor. Got away with punching a guy in stomach and he got ejected for retaliating.

Always talked shit to opposing fans and parents. Told every cheerleader to suck my dick. Some people need to play that way.

Undisciplined means doesnt play the right way to me. Pass the ball, guard your man, box out.

3/19/2013 11:51:16 PM

lay off the liquor buddy

3/19/2013 11:52:42 PM

There are plenty of satisfactory examples of the team being undisciplined (their tendency to get complacent, or at the very least play soft, defensively any time they have a double digit lead being the prime example off the top of my head)

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"we're also 332nd in the country in opponents ft%, i.e. bad fouls."

Opponent's FT% is simply that, the opponent's FT%. That is not a measure of bad fouls in any way, shape, or form

I assume you're trying to describe opponent's FTA%? No clue since I have no interest in looking up our rankings in either statistic

But the FTA% argument is exponentially better than the technical argument you refuse to back down from

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 11:54 PM. Reason : 4]

3/19/2013 11:53:48 PM

wow simonn got mad or something recently

3/19/2013 11:54:50 PM

i'm not defending the tech stat except that we DO get a lot of them, and we ARE undisciplined as a team. you can take that for whatever you like.

^^ no, i'm talking about us frequently fouling players that shoot foul shots at a high rate. those probably aren't on purpose, wouldn't you imagine?

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 11:57 PM. Reason : .]

3/19/2013 11:55:37 PM

we should be more like 280th in the country, but we get called for some bullshit fouls

3/19/2013 11:59:09 PM

i think youre thinking of it like how an undisciplined football team makes dumb mistakes and gives up a ton of yards due to penalties. but getting a tech is a little more arbitrary imo

just call the players lazy/selfish/unfocused instead

i know it's confusing

we've had all kinds of poorly coached athletes at NC State over the years

[Edited on March 20, 2013 at 12:00 AM. Reason : .]

3/19/2013 11:59:26 PM

no, i'm saying when i watch leslie slam a basketball and yell after not getting a foul called and get a tech, that is a lack of discipline in the most explicit way imaginable.

^ that would be like opponents ft% (against us), which we're terrible at too as stated above.

[Edited on March 20, 2013 at 12:01 AM. Reason : .]

3/20/2013 12:00:45 AM

ok, but that's only one instance out of 5

3/20/2013 12:01:36 AM

Leslie has 3 techs this year

i wish i spent all my time dwelling on something that happened 3 times since november

3/20/2013 12:02:23 AM

i don't dwell on it. i watch basketball and have a functioning brain so i remember things that i've seen.

3/20/2013 12:04:30 AM

ALL THE TIME

i just like how, a page ago, before your last page of arguing, you actually said you werent mad

hahahah

3/20/2013 12:05:46 AM

i don't like coming to a nc state message board to see "fans" constantly talk shit about their team, even when we've had more success in the last two years than we've had in... decades. it's why i avoid pp and that other blog that i haven't visited in years. bunch of crotchety old men

3/20/2013 12:06:19 AM

well i don't like coming to a state message board seeing people say things that are not true about our team.

i don't come here to talk like little kids on christmas eve.

this is a decently talented team that is decently coached. but they have a proven history of being crybabies and underachievers. last year's tournament was really their lone exception. i hope they do it again. i'm excited about the tournament. but under no circumstances should this team be referred to as disciplined.

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"i just like how, a page ago, before your last page of arguing, you actually said you werent mad"

i wasn't mad when it was just you ignoring numbers. that's pretty par for the course.

you don't understand, i do this for all of us. i come to this board and see people that don't know what's been going on, and then tell them so they know going forward. you're welcome to tell me things too! just make sure they don't conflict w/ nearly everything we've seen of this team.

[Edited on March 20, 2013 at 12:11 AM. Reason : .]

3/20/2013 12:09:12 AM

why do you keep ignoring how undisciplined Duke is, based on the numbers?

3/20/2013 12:11:01 AM

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"i'm not defending the tech stat except that we DO get a lot of them, and we ARE undisciplined as a team. you can take that for whatever you like."

duke does basically everything right. they can get a pass. we, on the other hand, were picked to win the league and finished 5th. still want to compare these teams?

let me ask you this: what teams in the league this year do you think were more talented than us? how many have a better coach than us? better arena? more fans?

now how many teams did we have a better year than? something is amiss. but somehow we are a disciplined team.

[Edited on March 20, 2013 at 12:14 AM. Reason : .]

3/20/2013 12:11:43 AM

Lebron got a technical last night.

Does that make him undisciplined?

3/20/2013 12:17:00 AM

the best coach in college basketball history allows his players to get more technical fouls than us

those bums

3/20/2013 12:19:30 AM

what do you want me to say? technical fouls are totally random, we're a great team, we play w/ honor and discipline, i have us in my final four and i think gottfried is just as good as coach k?

you can type coach k as many times as you want, it doesn't mean anything.

3/20/2013 12:20:47 AM