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I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

9/15/2014 4:02:21 PM

And now we're back to another run-of-the-mill tipping thread. Any way we get get this shit locked?

9/15/2014 4:10:38 PM

Just shitpost until everyone leaves. It worked in the Ray Rice thread.

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

9/15/2014 4:14:03 PM

you're resorting to personal attacks because you can't answer the simple question of why more money has to come in than before for servers to make the same amount of money. you know good and damned well that the average for all tips in this country is not past the 20% mark, yet you constantly mention that food prices would have to go up 50-100% to cover the displaced 20% tip money. Either you have no understanding of economics or you now realize how stupid your 50-100% statement was and are dodging the issue by making me out to be disgruntled.

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"Not to mention that a large portion of restaurants weight liquors, do inventory, and have cameras these days. Not as easy to "skim off the top" as it use to be"

that's a lot of unnecessary security that would be eliminated by getting rid of tipping.

9/15/2014 4:15:38 PM

^ From my personal experience, a lot of that was done when the economy turned shitty and restaurant owners were trying to find something to blame. More often than not, it wasn't because employees were skimming. And 90% of the time a video has been used from a restaurant it was because an "incident" occurred and law enforcement/legal people needed the tape (customers stealing, fights, Dram Shop cases and over serving). The last owner I worked under just liked to log-in at his house and see how busy the restaurant was on a Friday night. But that doesn't fit your agenda, so just ignore it.

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"you're resorting to personal attacks because you can't answer the simple question of why more money has to come in than before for servers to make the same amount of money."

Because its not that simple. And I promise the general public would not take to an increase in prices even if they knew they didn't have to tip...most of them don't think like that when they see menu prices. I see people freak out when an $8.99 item gets bumped to $9.49. And it would have to be more than 20% anyways simply because of taxes (food and alcohol taxes are a bitch...different in most states, but I think NC is one of the worst)...and that's the only straightforward cost to calculate.

And this all brings me back to being very confused because you hate the tipping system....yet what you are proposing would guarantee easy money to these servers and bartenders that you loathe so much.

[Edited on September 15, 2014 at 4:31 PM. Reason : .]

9/15/2014 4:30:29 PM

there's no guaranteed easy money when you eliminate tipping - supply and demand will still drive the job market in the restaurant industry just as they do everywhere else. managers would become more responsible for the salary of their employees and would be able to better balance wages between kitchen staff and servers. If you want to serve mediocre food with great service, then portion more of the sales towards wait staff. If you want to serve gourmet food with diner service, then spend more money in the kitchen. You'd also give restaurants an ability to pay more to servers who have stayed with the business for a long period, hopefully reducing turnover.

I have no idea why you brought sales tax into a tipping discussion as a reason why prices need to go up - taxes get added onto the end of the bill anyway under the current system.

9/15/2014 6:02:37 PM

Not 100% related to this discussion, but a similar real life application:

http://seattle.eater.com/archives/2014/06/10/restaurateurs-weigh-in-on-seattles-15-minimum-wage.php

^Taxes are passed directly onto the consumer. You can't look at it as a customer and say, "it's just $5 on a $25 meal."

And you obviously have no idea what goes on in a restaurant when you assume all of those things would happen.

[Edited on September 15, 2014 at 6:16 PM. Reason : .]

9/15/2014 6:11:56 PM

The ONE time I remember not tipping was because the bitch literally didn't come around for an hour.

The next time we went in there, the chick that waited on us (we knew pretty much every one that worked there except the bitch from the previous time), said the girl didn't want to wait on us because I didn't tip last time. I told her, loud enough for the other chick to hear, "then tell that stupid cunt if she wants a tip, she should actually do her fucking job instead of running her mouth at the bar."

I usually over tip - So if I don't tip, you're a pretty worthless human being.

[Edited on September 15, 2014 at 6:16 PM. Reason : ]

9/15/2014 6:15:46 PM

thats how its supposed to work

can this thread be over now

9/15/2014 6:21:50 PM

look she was entitled to that tip.

9/15/2014 6:42:40 PM

9/15/2014 9:40:44 PM

These threads always make me want to start tipping less.

9/16/2014 1:36:27 PM

^^that ketchup bottle penmanship is better than my handwriting.

9/16/2014 1:51:54 PM