- Posted from my Windows 7 device.

8/4/2015 4:12:51 PM

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"Am I being too cautious?"

yes

8/4/2015 4:38:32 PM

not sure if this has been addressed, but does anyone else's menu text look blurry compared to websites, etc? I have clear-type turned on, and even went through that calibration thing that W10 has now, but it still looks shitty on some programs/menus

8/4/2015 5:12:07 PM

I haven't kept up. So there's now a laundry list of things to do after a fresh install to ensure the OS isn't data mining? Is the enterprise edition primed with the same settings? If not that may be the version to get just to avoid the hassle or forgetting one of many settings.

8/4/2015 5:36:43 PM

I hate being the last post on a page:

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"So I've been reading up a good bit lately about Windows 10, and even though I've gone through all 13 of the basic privacy settings and turned most things off, I still have some reservations about my upgrade. I just wonder how much of my use is getting captured and sent somewhere. I mean, it was a free upgrade, and nothing really is free. I'm not using a Microsoft account however, it migrated my local admin account over from Windows 7. I did try to get the photo app again, but apparently I still have to have a Microsoft account to get anything from the MS App store. I'm on the fence about creating one at this point. Am I being too cautious? Also, I find that Mozilla seems significantly slower on 10 than it was on 7. Has anyone else experienced this? I don't notice a faster boot up, but I've had an SSD for 7 for some time, so I've been used to really fast boot times. It sure is purdy tho "

I'm curious to see if other people notice Mozilla slowness.

8/4/2015 5:42:28 PM

^^^ set scaling to 100%

8/4/2015 7:40:56 PM

I just did that and everything shrank to something way smaller than I want, but was clearer

can't win!

8/4/2015 7:51:15 PM

Ugh I hope that doesn't mean per display scaling still doesn't work in Windows 10. Why I had to return my 3200 by 1800 Dell XPS 13 because it simply wouldn't work with two "normal" dpi external monitors. OSX works so nicely. Why can't windows.

8/4/2015 8:20:05 PM

nah, it's not fixed

that's largely due to the app developers and not MS (but not entirely)

8/4/2015 9:36:22 PM

Well I realize it's partially an app issue but I want to be able to set per display DPI scaling. In windows 8.1 if you have one high-dpi monitor and two regular dpi monitors you couldn't set one to use 150% scaling and one to use 100% scaling. They would both use some type of scaling and the regular DPI monitors would be blurry. I want to be able to say:

set monitor A to 100% scaling and monitor B to 150% scaling.

8/5/2015 12:42:59 PM

The setting to disable my laptops touchpad when a mouse is plugged in is gone. Super annoying.

8/6/2015 10:07:29 PM

Windows 10 broke VirtualBox

8/9/2015 9:21:25 PM

How many of the issues addressed thus far in this thread are likely to be addressed by hotfixes / Windows Update, versus ignored. Noen?

8/9/2015 11:56:26 PM

I assume that was a rhetorical question.

8/10/2015 12:59:15 PM

^Since Windows update is the only delivery mechanism for Windows, everything that gets fixed will get fixed via Windows Update.

As for which issues will be addressed and in what timeline and in what order, no idea. Even if I had access to the Windows bug services, there's no way I would spend the time to cross check.

8/10/2015 1:13:32 PM

I <3 Windows 10 on my laptop. It actually hibernates or goes to sleep when you close it.

8/11/2015 11:20:11 PM

Did 8 not do that? XP, Vista and 7 all have done that for me on semi-recent laptops.

Also wrt Windows Update, I know there have been certain KB###### hotfixes that weren't available on Windows Update, even under the optional upgrades. Usually for a specific issue with a certain piece of hardware causing a problem, or a particular piece of software. I don't know if WU didn't think the issues were widespread enough to deploy to Windows Update, but there are definitely hotfixes that you had to manually download outside of WU.

8/11/2015 11:51:18 PM

Hotfixes aren't on WU for a reason. You shouldn't really ever install hotfixes unless it's a mission critical, commercial machine. They can break later updates, and cause incompatibilities (in rare cases). Hotfixes are usually for extremely specific issues that affect major business customers, or very rarely for security vulnerabilities that couldn't want until patch tuesday.

I don't know this for sure, but I suspect given the way Windows flighting works now, hotfixes will become much much more rare. The ability to roll out updates and patches incrementally and on-demand has gotten a lot better with Win10.

8/11/2015 11:56:47 PM

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"Did 8 not do that? XP, Vista and 7 all have done that for me on semi-recent laptops."

7 did it flawlessly....windows 8 on the other hand was a fucking peice of stank dog shit.

8/12/2015 12:15:53 AM

I never installed / upgraded to 8 because it was dogshit based on using and fixing others' devices. Which (along with ME, Vista, etc) is why I'm always cautious about upgrading OS's.

8/12/2015 1:04:03 AM

The fucked up thing is the device I had the most problems with it on was pre-installed with Windows 8, an i7 Quad core touch screen laptop with 16gb of ram. I wanted to downgrade OS but did not wanna lose touch functions.

8/12/2015 9:04:46 AM

there were some issues with sleep and hibernation early on Windows 8 (driver related?), but they were resolved pretty quickly

8/12/2015 9:12:31 AM

Co-worker updated to Windows 10 on his Dell with a 3200 by 1800 screen. He set the local 3200 by 1800 screen to 200% scaling and both his 24" 1080p monitors to 100% scaling (at 1080p). Both external monitors were fuzzy just like in Windows 8.1. So this issue was not fixed. I still don't understand why a monitor at 100% scaling at 1080p can't be left alone. It appears if there's any other monitor with above 100% scaling then it throws all monitors out of whack even if they're set to 100% scaling. Makes no sense to me.

8/12/2015 2:53:14 PM

Installed it. First major frustration. Three finger back/forward no longer works on my touchpad. Microsoft apparantly enforces what multi-touch gestures do. I use that all the time!

Might just try installing an older version of the Dell Touchpad driver.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3fqjk1/3_finger_swipe_gesture/

I do like the virtual desktops. More dislikes / likes to come.

8/12/2015 6:05:24 PM

Additional frustrating bug/feature:

In previous versions of windows you could hit the window key and move a window and have it snap to full screen, left side, right side, etc. Now you can still do it but when you release the windows key and it's snapped to the right or left side of a display it pops open a task/windows view and allows you to select a second window to fill the other half of the screen.

Now I can't move a window to the left side of my left monitor and start typing on it right away. I have to first hit the escape key. I see the value but even if I selected a second window to fill the empty space right away like Windows intends THAT window is the one that has focus. So say I wanted to open a new terminal window and move it to the right side of my screen and start typing i'd have to either:

1. Windows key - right arrow then escape key
2. Windows key - right arrow then select second app THEN move focus back to terminal window
3. Windows key - right arrow on random app THEN terminal then I'd have focus

Just seems counter intuitive. Wish you could at least change the behavior.

http://www.howtogeek.com/198230/how-to-use-snap-assist-and-2x2-snap-on-windows-10/

--After further reading you can actually turn this off:

http://www.tekrevue.com/tip/how-to-disable-snap-assist-windows-10/

That's good.

[Edited on August 13, 2015 at 12:00 PM. Reason : s]

8/13/2015 11:55:03 AM

I was excited about the virtual desktop support, but the keyboard shortcut support is lacking so I'm back to using http://dexpot.de/

8/13/2015 1:30:22 PM

Guess I haven't used other solutions but the keyboard shortcuts for virtual desktops seem to be adequate. It's window-key + tab then click "new desktop" to create a new desktop. Once it's created it's easy to switch between them using window key + control and left/right.

8/13/2015 1:36:30 PM

Your monitor question is easy. You can't mix "scaling" values because Windows has one continuous desktop. What the heck is it supposed to do if you have a 200% scaling on Monitor 1, 100% on Monitor 2, then you drag a window halfway between the monitors? It will either be 200% on both (effectively 4x as large on Monitor 2), or will have to snap to 100% as soon as it is over halfway in monitor 2, making it tiny on Monitor 1.

8/14/2015 6:16:33 AM

^^ Once they add the ability to move the current application window to other desktops with keyboard shortcuts I'll be happy

[Edited on August 14, 2015 at 9:24 AM. Reason : .]

8/14/2015 9:23:37 AM

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"Your monitor question is easy. You can't mix "scaling" values because Windows has one continuous desktop. What the heck is it supposed to do if you have a 200% scaling on Monitor 1, 100% on Monitor 2, then you drag a window halfway between the monitors? It will either be 200% on both (effectively 4x as large on Monitor 2), or will have to snap to 100% as soon as it is over halfway in monitor 2, making it tiny on Monitor 1."

I'm probably not explaining the situation clearly enough. I'm not trying to split a window between two different scaling settings.

Here's my scenarios:

Monitor A: Dell 15" laptop 3200 by 1800 monitor
Monitor B: Dell 24" 1080p external monitor
Monitor C: Dell 24" 1080p external monitor

Scenario 1:

Monitor A: native resolution at 100% scaling
Monitor B: native resolution at 100% scaling
Monitor C: native resolution at 100% scaling

Results: All three monitors are clear and not fuzzy but monitor A is not usable due to it's high DPI.

Scenario 2:

Monitor A: native resolution at 150-200% scaling (basically any scaling above 100%)
Monitor B: native resolution at 100% scaling
Monitor C: native resolution at 100% scaling

Results: This is what SHOULD be working however monitor A is usable and clear but monitors B and C are fuzzy. The scaling is 100% on them but everything is fuzzy (even windows applications, settings, control panel, etc).

Scenario 3:

Monitor A: non-native resolution of 1080p or 1600 by 900 at 100% scaling
Monitor B: native resolution at 100% scaling
Monitor C: native resolution at 100% scaling

Results: Monitor A is obviously fuzzy because it's at a non-native resolution and monitors B and C are good. This is the scenario most of my coworkers have settled on because it works the most albeit the laptop looks bad.

My question is in all three scenarios monitor B and C's scaling are always 100% and always native resolution so why are monitors B and C's fuzzy when monitor A is set to anything BUT 100% scaling (scenario 2). This tells me that windows is still doing some type of scale rendering on monitors B and C event though they're set to their native resolutions and 100% scaling (when monitor A's scaling is above 100%).

I've done a decent amount of research and there's numerous threads about this and I haven't seen a resolution or acknowledgement from Microsoft yet. I do have some co-workers that just use fuzzy monitors and don't really comment on it but that's a whole other issue.

8/14/2015 12:12:57 PM

I completely skipped Windows 8/8.1 altogether, so maybe this isn't new, but why does every settings change in Windows 10 have two different pages that both accomplish the same task? There's the fancy looking Windows 10 style page that you can make changes on, but if you dig deep enough, or search for a different keyword in the start menu, you'll end up in a Windows 7 style page where most of the options are the same, but with a different font, and layout. It really feels like they tried to make it all nice and new and fancy, but then didn't bother taking out any of the old legacy stuff so now there's two ways of doing everything.

8/17/2015 7:14:42 AM

I'd almost rather have both options. If they took out the legacy ones they'd make a lot of people angry and if they didn't update them they'd also get a lot of criticism. Not necessarily hurting anything. Does feel a little disjointed though.

8/17/2015 10:29:16 AM

I think (don't know) that they are slowly deprecating things from the old control panel. The Display settings screen for instance has been fully replaced in Win10 (and for the better in every way). But there's still 20+ years of legacy in Control Panel, so it's going to take quite a while.

I agree with neodata, better to keep both rather than just cutting out the old one. I like the new settings app 100x better than the one in Win8, but it still has a long way to go.

8/17/2015 12:51:32 PM

are there any 3rd party options to bring back the window button when you swipe from the right side?

8/17/2015 1:01:15 PM

Windows 10 update brings back three finger back/forward!!!

8/17/2015 3:27:53 PM

neodata686 So I finally upgraded my QHD laptop. Hooked it up to an external 1080p monitor. Laptop is set to 200% scaling, external monitor to 100%.

The only apps with fuzziness problems are ones that don't support high-dpi at all, and Chrome's chrome (content is fine) with has been broken for 3 years and Google just apparently doesn't care to fix it.

I did however, find a difference for Chrome. If you make your external monitor the "main" display, then logout/login, Chrome will look correct on both screens (it scales UP vs. down) though it will be a little pixelated on the qhd display when you drag it over.

But with Windows apps, file explorer, edge browser, Adobe CC, they all are pixel-to-pixel identical. Adobe CC has a bug that it doesn't rescale when moving across monitors, it only matches the dpi of the monitor it launches in.

But I can't replicate what you're talking about at all, again except for Google Chrome which hasn't ever worked properly with Windows High DPI (even in Win7).

Hit me up in PM if you want to try and troubleshoot further. I definitely had this issue with Win8, but it's "fixed" in 10. I found a bunch of possible side-effect causes that I might be able to help sort out.

[Edited on August 18, 2015 at 3:34 PM. Reason : .]

8/18/2015 3:32:10 PM

Thanks for the info! I'll troubleshoot a little more and see if everything is fuzzy or not and report back.

--So played around with it again using my current work laptop with a 1080p screen. Set it to 150% scaling. Chrome is obviously messed up on the other two monitors (very large) despite native resolution and 100% scaling. The big one is all of Office 365 (2013) is very very fuzzy. Barely usable. So you're saying Office isn't optimized for high dpi yet?

I still don't understand why changing the scaling on one display impacts the scaling / rendering on all the other displays if they're set to 100%. I would think the laptop would change but the external monitors wouldn't.

[Edited on August 18, 2015 at 4:16 PM. Reason : s]

8/18/2015 4:08:03 PM

^Everything in Office 2013 (except PowerPoint which has a known DPI multimonitor scaling bug) looks perfect. So definitely something else horked up.

I have a feeling they aren't going to fix the PPT bug, but since you have O365, you can go grab the Office 2016 preview. I've been running it for a long time and it's in pretty good shape. Fixes ppt and is generally much better integrated with Win10. My favorite feature by far is the way Outlook handles attachments

8/18/2015 4:33:10 PM

Great maybe I'll give that a try. I've confirmed on my computer and two other coworker's computers that Office is fuzzy when ANY of your monitors are set to over 100% scaling in Windows 10.

8/18/2015 4:34:03 PM

And I've confirmed that doesn't happen for me in the same scenario. It's something else in your config, not Win10.

8/18/2015 7:33:09 PM

In 3 random computer's configs.

You said you've been running Office 2016 though. Which did you confirm that on? We can't get it to appear correctly on the external monitors. Maybe it's our specific version of Office 2013 365? Not sure. Will continue to investigate.

8/18/2015 11:09:40 PM

^Nope, Office 2013 on the QHD laptop. A few things to check: make sure scaling is not set to some weird numbers (especially if on an intel gpu), make sure over/under scan is set to 0, make sure screen scaling is disabled/turned off/set to full screen, make sure the EDID of the external monitor is being correctly set.

Finally, and this one has bitten me in trying this out: When you set scaling to 200% on the built in display, apply it, sign out and sign back in. Then go back to display settings, and toggle the external display to something other than 100%, apply and sign out/in. Then toggle it to 100%, sign out/in.

Alternatively, set the external display to main monitor, set scaling to 100%, sign out/in. Then set built in display to 200% and sign out/in.

8/19/2015 2:27:25 AM

Thanks I'll try those suggestions out. I'm still confused though why does Windows treat a display differently when ANOTHER display is set to scaling above 100%?

Scenario 1. Monitors A and B are both at 100% scaling.

Scenario 2. Monitor A is at 200% scaling and monitor B is at 100% scaling.

Shouldn't in the above scenario monitor B be untouched in both scenarios? I just don't understand why changing the scaling on one monitor impacts another monitor that hasn't changed any settings. I guess it has to do with how everything is rendered and not splitting that up between both monitors.

8/19/2015 1:35:56 PM

^For me, it only makes a difference in two corner cases:
1) When I change the scaling before signing out/in to commit the changes (similarly when plugging in a monitor, before sign out/in, it can scale weirdly)
2) Apps that don't actually support the Windows DPI scaling and implement their own scaling (like Chrome).

8/19/2015 6:00:43 PM

are there any add-ons to make the action center useful?

8/26/2015 4:30:03 PM

so you're saying the action center is useless?

8/26/2015 5:15:14 PM

i haven't found a use for it yet. i guess if you use the mail app and not outlook it's helpful for mail alerts, but what else?

8/26/2015 6:48:36 PM

Hmm...I can no longer connect to my VMs using Remote Display (feature of VirtualBox) via Windows 10 using the port number (e.g. 192.168.1.194:5000). I can however connect directly to the host via the IP (e.g. 192.168.1.194). No problem connecting to it using a Windows 8 computer. Strange. Wonder what changed.

[Edited on August 26, 2015 at 7:48 PM. Reason : s]

8/26/2015 7:47:51 PM

been upgrading our HP Laptops to Win10 for that free Bitlocker action since the included Securedoc WinMagic is garbage.

8/26/2015 8:18:00 PM

I <3 the start menu.

8/26/2015 8:28:05 PM