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"Does anyone else think the female co-main character could be Jaina Solo?"

and Jacen Solo is the sith-like character


yeah I am going with this theory until proven otherwise

10/20/2015 1:57:05 PM

Why would Han be telling her 'the legends are all true'

10/20/2015 2:29:20 PM

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"But its interesting to see the other Knights of Ren that are force sensitive without lightsabers! I imagine some other badass weapons."

Yea, if you look closely you can see they have melee weapons which just makes them that more badass.

10/20/2015 2:30:16 PM

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"Why would Han be telling her 'the legends are all true'"

Why not? I am not saying they are taking the storyline straight from the books but I would not be AT ALL surprised if these two characters wind up being the twin Solo children.

10/20/2015 3:45:47 PM

Wow I'm obviously behind in my Star Wars knowledge because I don't have any clue who these people are:

Kylo Ren
Daisy
Jacen and Jaina

10/20/2015 4:00:53 PM

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"Wow I'm obviously behind in my Star Wars knowledge because I don't have any clue who these people are: Kylo Ren Daisy Jacen and Jaina "

Jacen SOLO is Kylo Ren
Jaina SOLO is Daisy

LET IT IN

[Edited on October 20, 2015 at 4:17 PM. Reason : s]

10/20/2015 4:17:35 PM

While I think they could end up being Solo kids I don't think they are going to reveal their names are Jacen and Jaina or anything. I'm pretty sure they are Kylo and Rey and thats it.

Also apparently the comics/books that fill the gaps between ep 6/7 have apparently suggested that Han and Leia have not seen each other in 30 years. So unless he knocked her up on Endor they likely aren't her kids.

10/20/2015 4:28:05 PM

Post your ticket confirmations fellow nerds!

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"Time & Date: 2:50 PM - Fri Dec 18 Feature: IMAX 3D LUXURY STAR WARS: THE FORCE Location: Sandy Jordan Commons Auditorium: IMAX LUXUR Seating: G13,G12,G11"

10/20/2015 5:12:09 PM

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"Title: STAR WARS VII: THE FORCE AWAKENS When: 12/18/2015 (Thursday night at 12:05a) Where: The Raleigh Grande Ticket(s): 1 Adult (Seat: H,10) 1 Adult (Seat: H,11) 1 Adult (Seat: H,12) 1 Adult (Seat: H,13) 1 Adult (Seat: I,11) 1 Adult (Seat: I,12) 1 Adult (Seat: I,13) 1 Adult (Seat: I,14) 1 Adult (Seat: I,15) 1 Adult (Seat: I,16) 1 Adult (Seat: I,17)"

Going with a group of friends, probably having a screening party of IV-VI beforehand.

10/20/2015 5:25:03 PM

^I wish we were friends. I have maybe one friend who would get as excited for a Star Wars "viewing party" as I would.

Did i choose my friends poorly in life? I need a moment to think on this...

[Edited on October 20, 2015 at 6:25 PM. Reason : ..]

10/20/2015 6:23:10 PM

I wish I could camp out for a week to watch this movie, but I'll be busy camping out for the iPhone 7

10/20/2015 6:39:37 PM

Hoping JJ is fucking with all the fanboys and the only direct descendant from the original trilogy is Finn being Lando's son.

10/20/2015 10:49:36 PM

I don't have any problems with the two newcomers being related, if in fact they actually are. Family was one of the biggest themes in both the original trilogy and the prequels.

10/21/2015 5:55:23 AM

The main movies, Episode 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 deal mainly with the skywalker family line.

The other movies, Rogue One, Han Solo, Boba Fett, stand alone movies will allow them to explore things not bound to the genetic line of Anakin. And being force sensitive from Anakin's line justifies why they would be people of power and influence.

I really like that they came out and said this so it sort of gives a reason why you have this giant galaxy of events and you get this tiny slice of things.

Favorite bit of trailer is Second 49 to 1 min 20 seconds. Its just like LETS DO THIS!

10/21/2015 10:28:06 AM

Weird that they left Skywalker out of the trailers..(except his hand, maybe)

I think he may end up being the bad guy in this one.

10/21/2015 4:45:45 PM

I dunno if it's weird as much as not wanting to give too much away.

Also I figure I'll post these here (hadn't seen them until recently...the Empire and Jedi scenes should probably be the "Next Up" vidoes)

10/21/2015 5:22:09 PM

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"I think he may end up being the bad guy in this one."

My guess is he eats it pretty early and goes force ghost for the rest of things therefore you won't see much footage there. Would be a parallel to the Alec Guinness

10/21/2015 5:34:56 PM

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"I think he may end up being the bad guy in this one."

I was thinking this too. The "finish what you started' sounded very much like a vengeful son. But considering Luke is the reason the Sith failed, grandson makes more sense.

10/22/2015 2:51:40 AM

The most purely good guy in the entire Star Wars saga turns evil for a plotline? I think maybe some of you are reaching based on a trailer not revealing the entire movie's plot.

10/22/2015 3:08:41 AM

I believe according to star wars canon (lol) that Luke does eventually become a Sith Lord. I could be mistaken.

10/22/2015 6:08:41 AM

^that canon (which was never true canon anyway) is all gone now.

10/22/2015 6:59:04 AM

^^ in the old EU Luke temporarily became an apprentice to a clone of palpatine, his nephew becomes the new with lord several decades later

10/22/2015 9:36:30 AM

I think Luke will show up to save Finn like Yoda in Episode 2, maybe too cheesy for Abrams though. That was just the vibe I got from them talking about him less and less. Where does Finn get the blue saber from?

10/22/2015 10:01:21 AM

I thought this comment was awesome and wanted to save it here:
This is from a reddit discussion asking how someone would advocate in favor of the sith

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"First: [quote]Chancellor Palpatine: Remember back to your early teachings, Anakin. All those who gain power are afraid to lose it. Even the Jedi. Anakin Skywalker: The Jedi use their power for good. Chancellor Palpatine: Good is a point of view, Anakin. The Sith and the Jedi are similar in almost every way. Including their quest for greater power. Anakin Skywalker: The Sith rely on their passion for their strength. They think inward, only about themselves. Chancellor Palpatine: And the Jedi don't?"

Second, consider the (apocryphal) Jedi Code:

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"There is no emotion, there is peace. There is no ignorance, there is knowledge. There is no passion, there is serenity. There is no chaos, there is harmony. There is no death, there is the Force."

Superficially, these all seem like reassuring, cautionary notes. They're insidious like that.

*The Jedi encourage their Order to feel nothing -- "no emotion." Feeling, emoting, being affected by what happens to us and others is the heart of empathy. The Jedi caution against it.
*The Jedi believe they are not ignorant; that they have the knowledge. This isn't a question of promoting the acquisition of knowledge, it's a statement that they already have it. This is the height of hubris and this way lies naught but bigotry and arrogant presumption.
*No passion? No love? No stirring oneself to action while bearing witness to the suffering of others? No convictions? This is laudable?
*No chaos superficially seems good. Keep things stable, predictable... stagnant. Don't question. Don't rock the boat. Keep your head down. Do what you're told. Chaos is change. Change can be for the worse or for the better, but life is change. Without change -- without chaos -- nothing happens at all.
*Death is everywhere. We face it often. Pretending it doesn't exist, turning a blind eye to death and its consequences, is utterly irresponsible.


By contrast, consider the (apocryphal) Sith Code:

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"Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken . The Force shall free me."

Peace is a lie, when contrasted with passion. Every single Jedi demonstrates a depth of feeling about something at some point. Consider Obi-Wan's anguished cries after he mutilated Anakin. Consider the fury in Mace Windu's eyes when he confronted then-Chancellor Palpatine. Consider the weary defeat in Yoda's retreat from his duel with Darth Sidious. Peace and conflict are one another's interregnums. They are both temporary, both impermanent. Seeking perpetual peace is a lie.

The next several lines all connect to form a single sentiment: your passions fuel you to overcome the chains that bind you from acting and succeeding in those actions. Confidence emerges from this. Changing the world emerges from this. Achieving one's dreams emerges from this. MLK Jr. was passionate about Civil Rights. His passion gave him the strength to protest the injustices he saw. His courage and conviction and oratory prowess attracted followers and gained him the power to effect change. And, despite his assassination, he helped bring about tremendous positive change -- he achieved victory and broke chains. Nothing in the Jedi code correlates to these actions, these successes.

Much is made of "power" being evil unto itself. "Power corrupts" and "absolute power corrupts absolutely" -- most everyone has heard these phrases. And power certainly can corrupt. One need only look at the current state of political affairs in the U.S. to see the blatant corruption the powerful financial moguls have wrought. But that requires a narrow definition of "power." Power -- socially, personally -- is the ability to effect change. To disrupt the status quo. To see a wrong and decide to make things better. Without power, nothing happens. Amassing power -- or yoking the collective power of a group -- is the only way to do this. We've seen this throughout history, time and again.

Granting then that power is not innately evil, but merely the means by which change is effected by an individual, you get into discussions of individual good or evil. Is killing someone good or evil? Makes a difference if the killing happens in cold blood or if it's done in defense of another life being threatened by the person you kill, doesn't it? We call the former murder and the latter self-defense. Context is everything. Have there been evil Sith? Certainly. Have there also been evil Jedi?

The peaceful Republic that preceded the Clone Wars had, under the stewardship of the Jedi, achieved unprecedented levels of bureaucracy and corruption to the point where an independent entity could illegally blockade a world and the Republic did nothing to stop it. They sent some Jedi to negotiate. Period. It was a friggin' blockade! Why didn't the Republic fleet, minimal though it may have been at the time, unleash unmitigated fury against such a blatant act? The Jedi were at the very least complicit if not out-right responsible for the Republic reaching this low. Is that not itself evil, even if it's a mild, passive form of it?

Perhaps we should look at Mace Windu and his entourage going to arrest Chancellor Palpatine without the authority of the Senate backing them. The Jedi staged a coup of the legal government of the Republic, entirely because Anakin identified Palpatine as a Sith Lord. How do we view countries where one religious group attacks another for control of the country, regardless of whatever history of conflict those religious groups have?

"But Palpatine orchestrated the Clone Wars! He was behind all that death!" And the Jedi had what proof of that at the time they went to arrest him? None. They had Anakin telling them he thought Palpatine was a Sith Lord. Period. Everything else was speculative. They went to arrest an elected official without evidence and without legal authority to do so on the grounds that he was identified to have a different religion and may have been connected to an ongoing conflict -- over which he had presided on their side to that point!
It goes on and on. And this all centers around one Sith Lord and the question of whether or not he was evil.

There's nothing innate to the Sith that makes them evil. Indeed, the values they hold are all about self-empowerment to bring about change and throw off oppression in all its forms. The Jedi, by contrast, are about stagnancy and suppression of the self. Which of those sounds more evil to you?
=========================================================
Obligatory Post-Explosion Edit: Uh, wow. Thank you all for taking such an interest! It's been great to see the range of responses.
I'd like to offer a couple of clarifying notes, based on recurring themes that have come up in many replies.

*On the matters of planetary destruction and/or child murder and/or slavery in the Imperial era. TLDR I wholeheartedly object to each of these acts, but also don't find any of them to have any intrinsic basis in Sith teaching.
*I don't think extreme embrace of either Sith or Jedi philosophy does anyone any good, just as I don't think extreme embrace of any terrestrial philosophy does anyone any good. Use distilled codes like these as guidelines, not rulebooks. The people who "fall" (be they Jedi or Sith) didn't.
*I tried to write this from the perspective of history and events known that lead up to and into the six existing movies. Stories that come after (i.e. a lot of what Luke did in the Legends continuity after the Death Star II exploded) aren't really a part of how I sought to answer.
*Finally, please keep in mind that this responds to a request to "play devil's advocate." In the words of a certain dead Jedi, "many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view." I never expected it to be bulletproof, but rather to raise enough questions that one would need to step back and re-evaluate the prevailing and simplistic assumptions about "Jedi = good, Sith = evil."

Again, thank you all. I am delighted to have been able to inspire and share in so much enthusiasm, be it for or against.[/quote]

[Edited on October 22, 2015 at 10:17 AM. Reason : editing]

10/22/2015 10:14:59 AM

seeing it friday at 720 ... sad i missed the thursday times.

10/22/2015 10:15:10 AM

To be negative for a change.

The overall plot seems to mirror A New Hope almost exactly.

Ray is Luke, Han is Obi-wan, Kylo is Vader, Star Killer is Death Star, Maz Kanada is Yoda. Journey to figure out who Fin and Rey are. I mean JJ did the same thing with Star Trek. And I bet its been done generically in many movies. So its repetition will make for a good story, but its kind of annoying that its a repeat(assuming).

So much can be done in this universe that they need some original ideas.

Of course, if you have to take characters that need to figure out who they are and become powerful players in there world, its hard not to have the same archetypes lead them in that direction.

10/22/2015 10:17:16 AM

^^^awesome!

I got 5 tickets for the 7pm showing at the Mayfair cinema in Wilmington. Also seeing it with at a theater in the Raleigh area on Sat where you can reserve your seats. Why the hell don't theaters do this everywhere?????

[Edited on October 22, 2015 at 11:03 AM. Reason : chhese]

10/22/2015 11:03:05 AM

http://www.theonion.com/article/harrison-ford-begs-agents-to-just-let-him-die-now-34408

10/22/2015 1:27:58 PM

I am hoping that they can sort out the disparity between the English accents that showed up in the trailers, because at the moment it just looks inconsistent and sloppy. For instance, there are two British actors with prime minutes in the trailer but one speaks in American and the other doesn't, for whatever reason.

They were able to tie this all up quite nicely in the original trilogy by decreeing that the people of Coruscant spoke with British accents, which of course made everything fit in nicely. However, from what we've seen so far from the trailer, Rey isn't from Coruscant and neither is Finn, so then why have one Brit speak in American and the other in British? Tiny details like that irk me from time to time.

[Edited on October 26, 2015 at 9:53 AM. Reason : j]

10/26/2015 9:51:52 AM

I think they are going to say that Coruscant people have British accents. Would work well. And make sense that planets differ linguistically.

Also feeds into the core planets having that air of superiority.

10/26/2015 2:31:41 PM

Maybe they wanted the character to sound American and a British guy beat a bunch of Americans out for the part

Also, who gives a flying fuck?

10/26/2015 6:24:20 PM

Or maybe the accents are the actors' choices to define their characters. No planet in the star wars universe, or any race on that specific planet, has a single set accent or dialect. It never bothered me.

10/26/2015 6:27:54 PM

No, all planets in Star Wars get one climate and one accent.

10/26/2015 6:49:36 PM

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"They were able to tie this all up quite nicely in the original trilogy by decreeing that the people of Coruscant spoke with British accents, which of course made everything fit in nicely. However, from what we've seen so far from the trailer, Rey isn't from Coruscant and neither is Finn, so then why have one Brit speak in American and the other in British? Tiny details like that irk me from time to time."

wtf? none of that bullshit is canon. C3PO was built on tattooine and he clearly has a british accent.

10/26/2015 8:04:11 PM

and Madonna is from the the USofA and she speaks britishish. analyzing accents is ridiculous in this universe.

10/26/2015 8:06:15 PM

I want more Wookiee accents

[Edited on October 26, 2015 at 8:41 PM. Reason : when are these mugs gonna visit Kashyyyk]

[Edited on October 26, 2015 at 8:44 PM. Reason : maybe they did in a prequel]

10/26/2015 8:40:01 PM

it is cannon, or at least was at one point. There were lots of references to the Coruscanti accent after the original trilogy that were used to explain the accent differences and to indicate that those with a British accent were speaking the dialect of Coruscant. That might all be wiped away now, but there was at least a consistent system in place to explain it.

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"and Madonna is from the the USofA and she speaks britishish. analyzing accents is ridiculous in this universe."

You mean to say, that it is not in the lease bit annoying when they have two English actors, and one is forced to speak in american and the other is not? That is inconsistent.


[Edited on October 27, 2015 at 6:23 AM. Reason : dp]

10/27/2015 6:09:01 AM

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"and Madonna is from the the USofA and she speaks britishish"

Never use that as an example again. Her fake accent is so obviously fake that it makes my ears bleed. Everyone from the country of England wishes she would stop.


Also, since C3PO is a protocol droid that is meant primarily as a translator, wouldn't it make sense if he were able to switch accents or something?

10/27/2015 8:59:23 AM

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"Also, who gives a flying fuck?"

Exactly. Why do we care about accents in a universe with pointy eared ninja elves, real-life teddy bears, and sandy man-eating toothy vagina holes in the dessert? At least not everyone speaks the same language.

Did they have this stupid debate in the 70's and early 80's when the first movies came out?

10/27/2015 9:14:53 AM

Its not important.

Just give me a good movie

10/27/2015 9:16:34 AM

http://screencrush.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-imax-theaters/

Well that kind of blows.

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"That explains one theater, but what about the others? Going back to the Interstellar comparison, he biggest difference between that film and Star Wars: The Force Awakens is 3D. Interstellar was not presented in 3D, so IMAX theaters had no choice but to run its 70mm print. Star Wars: The Force Awakens, on the other hand, is available in post-converted 3D, with no 3D 70mm option (except for theaters equipped with IMAX with Laser, of which there are only 6 in the U.S.). When given the choice between the two, most theaters opted for 3D over 70mm for a very simple reason: money. At theaters where Star Wars: The Force Awakens is screening in 15/70 IMAX 2D, the average ticket cost was $15. The average ticket cost to see Star Wars: The Force Awakens in the digital “IMAX 3D Experience” was $20. Keep in mind, that The Force Awakens was not shot in 3D, but a portion of it was shot in 70mm. Theaters are actually charging you more money to see a movie in wrong format. Read More: J.J. Abrams Shot Part of ‘Star Wars: The Force Awakens’ in IMAX, So Why Aren’t Theaters Showing It That Way? | http://screencrush.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-imax-theaters/?trackback=tsmclip"

So basically even though they shot some of the film in 70mm (like Interstellar) there's only a handful of theaters in the US that are actually showing it in 70mm because most of them have opted to show them in "IMAX 3d Experience" which is NOT 70mm (so cropped).

So if any of you guys are lucky enough to be in any of these locations you can see it in the format it was shot in:

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"Star Wars: The Force Awakens in IMAX 3D in IMAX with Laser California TCL Chinese Theatres IMAX – Hollywood AMC Metreon 16 & IMAX – San Francisco AMC Universal CityWalk Stadium 19 & IMAX – Universal City Massachusetts Sunbrella IMAX 3D Theatre, Jordan’s Furniture Reading – Reading Ontario Scotiabank Toronto & IMAX – Toronto Virginia Airbus IMAX, Stephen F. Udvar-Hazy Center – Chantilly Washington Boeing IMAX, Pacific Science Center – Seattle Star Wars: The Force Awakens in IMAX 2D on IMAX 15/70mm Film Projection Alabama McWane Center IMAX Dome Theatre – Birmingham IMAX, U.S. Space & Rocket Center – Huntsville California Hackworth IMAX Dome, The Tech Museum – San Jose Florida Museum of Discovery & Science AutoNation IMAX – Ft. Lauderdale IMAX Dome, Museum of Science & Industry – Tampa Indiana IMAX, Indiana State Museum - Indianapolis Iowa Blank IMAX Dome, Science Center of Iowa – Des Moines Missouri Branson’s IMAX, Entertainment Complex – Branson St. Louis Science Center OMNIMAX Theatre – St. Louis Pennsylvania Tuttleman IMAX, The Franklin Institute– Philadelphia Washington, DC Lockheed Martin IMAX, National Air & Space Museum"

So yeah all you guys who got it in IMAX aren't actually seeing it in 70mm and it'll be cropped for the 70mm shots aka:



[Edited on October 30, 2015 at 12:25 PM. Reason : s]

10/30/2015 12:20:11 PM

Could we just give up on 3D already? I don't find the effect compelling or giving that much depth and it definitely doesn't outweight the brightness and FOV issues that come with the glasses.

10/30/2015 1:26:33 PM

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"IMAX, U.S. Space & Rocket Center – Huntsville"

Boomshakalaka.


But seriously, I hate the 3D fad too. Unless it is a Pixar/animated movie, it is entirely unnecessary and in most cases just a ploy to charge you more money. I usually just go for the standard 2D release.

10/30/2015 1:53:23 PM

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"Sunbrella IMAX 3D Theatre, Jordan’s Furniture Reading – Reading"

I love that theater. I saw the first Avengers there.

10/30/2015 2:14:22 PM

Yeah I want to see this at the IMAX but it appears its only gonna be in 3D which I dislike having to wear the glasses and such. Blah.

10/30/2015 2:17:36 PM

Well there are 11 IMAX theaters which are showing the true 70mm 2d version (in the link). The other 6 are showing the full 70mm version in 3d with the laser technology. Then yeah the rest of the IMAX theaters in the US will just be showing the shitty 2k 3d version aka the "IMAX 3d Experience". So if you want a true 4k 2d showing (that includes the 70mm footage) you've only got 11 options.

10/30/2015 2:27:23 PM

I mean ... is it as good ? no .... but is it watching on a vhs in the basement ? no ....


tl;dr : it could be worse.

11/2/2015 6:55:27 PM

The first time I saw episode 4 was on vhs in a basement, and that was still pretty great.

11/2/2015 7:43:45 PM

http://www.polygon.com/2015/11/2/9657792/star-wars-jar-jar-sith-lord

11/3/2015 2:16:49 PM

He was absolutely not a sith lord because there can be only two at a time, and there already were two during the prequels.

So, this is definitely a dumb theory, no matter how slick somebody made it sound.

11/3/2015 3:33:28 PM