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TreeTwista10
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David Mayo? Inside linebacker from Texas State?

Then the SEC's leading rusher

5/2/2015 3:24:40 PM

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If Shaq and Funchess are who we think they are, then the rest of this draft is honestly just icing on the cake. Artis-Payne has a better chance of sticking than either of our last RB draftee's and the other two will at least push the veterans ahead of them on the depth chart. This is what a draft by a team that already has a decent roster looks like.

5/2/2015 5:00:56 PM

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Not a fan of this draft for the Panthers but we'll see how it turns out. Lots of boom or bust potential

5/2/2015 5:11:09 PM

TreeTwista10
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I did not expect us to trade up, let alone twice. But those compensatory picks really allowed us to do that. Were those from letting Lafell, Ginn, Munnerlyn etc go? Or would that have been for 2014 Draft compensatory picks?

5/2/2015 5:18:50 PM

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Yes, compensation picks in this draft were from free agents leaving last year.

5/3/2015 8:19:03 AM

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Byrd from South Cack is a sneaky UDFA. Watched that kid make a ton of plays on SEC defenses the last few years.

5/3/2015 5:14:23 PM

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Got a feeling we might get Collins from LSU if he's cleared. My source says its not a lock, but likes our chances.

5/3/2015 6:54:49 PM

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I think we have a really good shot at Collins IF he gets cleared. Immediate PT, playoff team, and he is good friends with Trai Turner.

But even if he is cleared, I'm not even sure our owner would let us pursue him. Would be a damn shame if we didn't.

5/4/2015 8:44:25 AM

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https://www.facebook.com/958522874180256/videos/973521732680370/

5/11/2015 11:23:39 AM

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Sounds like Funchess and Williams have been impressive at rookie mini-camp. I mean it's just rookie mini-camp but at least it's positive news.

5/11/2015 11:32:30 AM

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yeah liking what I hear about Funchess

hoping Shaq's hammy isn't serious

5/11/2015 11:35:18 AM

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Neither will have as much of an immediate impact as KB did last year (or Star/KK the year before) but they should be good players. Shaq especially will put on the field as basically a designated playmaker, looking to create turnovers and make big tackles for loss. I don't think Cam will look to Funchess too often at the start of the season, especially if we plan on lining him up in the middle of the field. He'll have to prove he can dominate NFL linebackers or a team's 3rd/4th best coverage guy before he starts getting many touches.

5/11/2015 11:54:01 AM

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Jesus christ I hope we didn't draft a linebacker in the FIRST ROUND who won't make an immediate impact.

Fwiw I like both picks

5/11/2015 2:35:30 PM

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I have the hardest time saying Funchess for some reason. Therefore, I am just going to call him Funyuns.

5/11/2015 3:07:20 PM

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I just call him

5/11/2015 3:20:33 PM

LudaChris
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The Funchise.

5/11/2015 3:22:43 PM

TreeTwista10
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Big Time Devvy Jev. The Freaky Funchise.

5/11/2015 3:24:25 PM

LudaChris
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Kelvin Benjamin and the Devon Funch-adelic.

5/12/2015 8:27:59 AM

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Honey Funchess of Oats

5/12/2015 9:31:30 AM

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Cammy Cam and the Funchy Bunch

5/12/2015 10:56:08 AM

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I'll now refer to the redzone as the "Funch Box"

5/12/2015 11:15:35 AM

Shrike
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I'm sure Cam will come up with a nickname for him soon enough.

5/12/2015 11:22:02 AM

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KB and the Funchine Band

5/12/2015 11:29:30 AM

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^winner

5/12/2015 12:54:40 PM

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"KB and the Funchine Band"


I hollered


III

5/13/2015 9:10:45 AM

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This is a thing:

http://sports.yahoo.com/video/radio-deangelo-williams-twitter-beef-123000513.html

Maybe if he had put as much effort into his running as he did with social media, he'd still have a follow from the panthers.

5/20/2015 1:50:56 AM

Førte
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^^^^ that's great

5/20/2015 3:09:02 PM

TreeTwista10
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Kelvin Benjamin pulled hammy last week, might be out

of OTAs next week

looks like all of the offense will have to come from Funchess and Olsen

5/21/2015 5:36:14 PM

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5/21/2015 9:34:43 PM

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Can someone with insider post the "what to pay newton and wilson" article?

5/27/2015 10:47:27 AM

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link it, I can't find the one you're talking about.

5/27/2015 11:26:12 AM

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Halfway down http://www.espn.com

5/27/2015 11:58:29 AM

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I have insider, but I hate ESPN's site now so I won't do it.

5/27/2015 12:32:43 PM

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Huh

5/27/2015 12:52:30 PM

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I, too, hate the ESPN redesign but I paid a good 5 dollars for that stupid ESPN magazine so I could get insider for 2 years, so here you go

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"Six months after Miami Dolphins coach Joe Philbin wavered on Ryan Tannehill as his starting quarterback, the organization gave Tannehill a four-year extension averaging $19.25 million per season. That is the NFL's sixth-highest average.

Tannehill's new contract carries $21.5 million guaranteed in full and another $23.5 million guaranteed against injury. What sounds excessive for a player with modest credentials is very much in line with the NFL market for quarterbacks. "I think both sides won on this deal," a contract negotiator for another team said, echoing what others in the industry are saying.

Is the NFL out of its mind when it comes to quarterback valuation? The Dolphins' deal with Tannehill provides an opportunity to re-examine the pricing of the position. What is an average (or slightly above-average) quarterback worth? Is the fear of not having a viable quarterback driving the market out of control? Insights from agents and team contract negotiators provide a deeper level of understanding while setting expectations for the next wave of quarterback signings.

Six things to know about QB contracts

1. Luck, Newton and Wilson represent the next frontier.

Agents and negotiators expect Andrew Luck to command up to $25 million per year on his new deal, and without much drama. They are more curious to see what happens with Cam Newton and Russell Wilson. Both should wind up earning at least $20 million a year, these insiders thought.



"Historically, the difference-making contract at quarterback has been franchise-tender driven," a team executive said. "Drew Brees and Peyton Manning come to mind. The fifth-year tender is interesting for someone such as Newton. It's a fixed number, but not guaranteed. That contract will be the most interesting one. I would not consider him a top-10 QB, but he is going to get paid like one. And if I were Carolina, I'd pay him in the top 10. You are not going to not have him."

The fifth-year option for first-round picks such as Luck and Newton does not come into play for Wilson. The franchise tag does, and that is where things could get interesting. The Seahawks, more than any team in the league, have put in place the defense and conventional ground game to win without relying as heavily on the quarterback. At the same time, there's no denying the value Wilson has provided in key moments.

Predictions for Wilson were all over the map. A cap manager said he thought Wilson would not settle for less than what the five highest-earning quarterbacks are getting, and that he could see the sides using the 2015 season as a sort of tiebreaker in determining what Wilson is worth. One executive thought the franchise tag awaited Wilson, but it's a little early to know for sure. I tend to think the sides will work out a deal, if not by training camp, then before the 2016 season.

2. There is a $15 million cover charge for legitimate vets.

Half of the starting quarterbacks are earning at least that much per season. Tom Brady's average falls next at $9 million thanks to some creative accounting. No other veteran starters are earning more than $5.25 million per season, which is where Matt Cassel and Brian Hoyer check in. There really is no veteran's middle class at the position, in other words. (Luck, Newton and Wilson head the group of low-priced starters still on team-friendly rookie deals, but as I wrote above, that won't be the case for much longer.)

"You either have a guy or you do not, and you would overpay for the security of having an OK guy," a team executive said. "That is not because you are a bad deal-maker. It's just that you cannot invent the resources to replace that guy."

The question becomes whether paying more to keep Tannehill (or someone similar) is worth the expense when players such as Ryan Fitzpatrick, Cassel, Hoyer and Josh McCown are the lower-cost alternatives. Teams have so far answered resoundingly that the additional cost is preferable.

3. There is more than one way to evaluate a deal.

The experts look at average per year over the life of the deal, and in the first three years. They want to know guarantee structure, specifically how much is truly guaranteed versus guaranteed for injury only. They want to see the cash flow by year. They want to know how much "new" money an extension carries. They want to know if a deal features outlier traits that could affect future deals.

Tannehill's deal ranks 10th in APY from 2014 forward, sixth in APY and three-year APY over its newly added years, 14th in true guarantee and 13th in total guarantee (counting injury-only guarantees).

"If you look at it as a four-year extension at $19 million a year, he is the sixth-highest-paid quarterback," a team negotiator said. "Is that more than Jay Cutler is getting with all the guarantees? No, it is not as good."

While Colin Kaepernick's deal with San Francisco made waves for details such as the 49ers' ability to wait until April before triggering guarantees, a different team negotiator described the Tannehill deal as unremarkable. This manager ranked deals for Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan, Drew Brees and Joe Flacco one through five, respectively, from a player perspective. He put deals for Tony Romo and Cutler next, followed by those for Tannehill, Kaepernick, Matthew Stafford, Philip Rivers, Alex Smith, Eli Manning, Carson Palmer and Andy Dalton. This manager set aside the deals for Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, who adjusted their contracts downward after maxing out previous contracts.

Others agreed with the rankings through the top seven or so, differing thereafter based on a range of criteria. Structure can be critical. The Bears' deal with Cutler comes to mind. His contract carries more than $15 million fully guaranteed in 2015, plus another $10 million in 2016. Those guarantees all but forced the Bears' new leadership to keep Cutler after a disastrous 2014 season. But that situation was an outlier (see below).

4. Guarantee structure can be critical ... and overrated.

One negotiator said he thought guarantees, while important, command too much attention, overshadowing the realities of the position. While a pay-as-you-go structure clears the way for Miami, Cincinnati or San Francisco to break from their quarterbacks after a couple of seasons, these are unrealistic scenarios. What are the 49ers going to do? Go with Blaine Gabbert?
The Niners have the flexibility to move on from Colin Kaepernick if he struggles -- but replacing him with a better option wouldn't be easy. AP Photo/Jeff Chiu
"Cutting the quarterback is a lot harder than cutting any other position because you must have a real alternative," a team executive said. "The market for the guys who get cut is still strong unless they were so bad that the deal was horrific for the team in the first place. You could say the Bears would release Cutler without the guarantee, but he would have gotten $10-12 million or more guaranteed somewhere else. The scarcity of quarterbacks makes these guys in demand always."

For that reason, this negotiator said quarterbacks with at least a baseline level of guaranteed money should focus more on average per year, secure in the knowledge that their teams will usually hold onto them if they are good -- and sometimes even if they simply are not that bad.

In Kansas City, Alex Smith is coming off a season in which he failed to complete a touchdown pass to a wide receiver, but no one is thinking the Chiefs would cut him if his deal contained less guaranteed money. Imagine what the Cleveland Browns might have paid for Smith, Dalton, Kaepernick or Tannehill if one of them had been a free agent this offseason. Instead, they settled for McCown.

5. Teams are in the insurance business. (QBs are, too.)

The Dolphins had a couple of choices with Tannehill after picking up his $16.2 million option for the 2016 season. They could have let him play out that deal, or they could have worked out an extension. They chose the extension as a hedge against paying an even higher price if Tannehill continues to improve. The team is paying a premium over the next two seasons for the right to lock in a set price thereafter.

"Tannehill gets more in the next two years and if he does really well, he is still doing great," a salary-cap manager said. "The reality is, teams must be wary of the Flacco situation."

Flacco's magnificent run to a Super Bowl title following the 2012 season put Baltimore in a bind after the team let him reach the final year of his deal.

Tannehill had already earned more than $10 million over his three-year career, so he was negotiating from a position of relative strength. His new deal gives him another $21.5 million fully guaranteed at signing, meaning he should be set for life, and then some. However, because subsequent guarantees are for injury only, the Dolphins are not locked in for the long term.

6. The franchise tag can be the elephant in the negotiating room.

Ripping the Bears' former regime over the Cutler deal is perhaps justified, but with Cutler fast approaching free agency in 2014, the franchise tag was hanging over negotiations.

"The system of compensating quarterbacks is so different and the biggest reason has become the gigantic franchise number that you have to live with if you cannot get a deal done," a negotiator said.

No one is faulting the Green Bay Packers for paying Rodgers $54 million fully guaranteed and $22 million per season. Most would agree that the very best quarterbacks are worth every cent. But those top-tier quarterback deals also help set the value for the franchise tags teams can apply to guard against losing their most important players in free agency. The tag was set at $18.5 million in 2015.

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5/27/2015 1:18:09 PM

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as a followup,

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12990108/cam-newton-carolina-panthers-long-term-deal

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"The radio station reported that Newton's new deal, based on the current market, is likely to be worth between $20 million and $21 million a year."

6/1/2015 11:20:59 AM

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Looking about like 40 million guaranteed according to reports. 5 yrs 100/40 is a fair deal for both sides.

Hopefully this gets resolved quickly.

6/1/2015 11:40:15 AM

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as Joe Ovies pointed out earlier, it's nice to have a QB who doesn't subtweet during contract negotiations

<3 Cam

6/1/2015 11:42:47 AM

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Ian Rappaport saying that it's a 5yr/100 million extension that is FULLY guaranteed. If that's true, then holy crap.

6/1/2015 12:33:13 PM

Ribs
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No way that's true

6/1/2015 12:50:29 PM

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yeah, that sounds like some made up bullshit. maybe 50 guaranteed, no fucking way all of it is.

6/1/2015 12:54:53 PM

Førte
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I'm calling BS on that; if Cam gets a 100% guaranteed contract, Big Cat needs to be put in an old folks home

6/1/2015 12:57:53 PM

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I think Rappaport just failed at twitter, it'll be more like $40-50M guaranteed, with the full deal being worth 100-120M over 5/6 years. Definitely on the high end of the current QB market, but doing this before Wilson and Luck raise that number higher makes a lot of sense.

6/1/2015 3:38:27 PM

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no way it's fully guaranteed. on the radio they (darrin gantt and adam gold) were speculating that maybe 40-50% is guaranteed. which seems reasonable. but all the details haven't been released, obviously.

i'm glad he's locked up before the season gets going.

6/1/2015 4:15:58 PM

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Hurney (on NFL Radio just now) expects a 5-year extension at just under $21M per year. Was up in the air about full and conditional guaranteed amounts.

6/1/2015 4:48:52 PM

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"i'm glad he's locked up before the season gets going."


Yup, not a question mark you want hanging over the season.

6/2/2015 9:14:15 AM

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5/104. 60M guaranteed

6/2/2015 5:01:11 PM

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7-9 season guaranteed

6/2/2015 5:01:32 PM

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I like this,

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"Newton: 5 years, $103.8 million, $20.76 million/year
Ryan: 5 years: $103.75 million, $20.75 million/year"


It's a lot of guaranteed money, more than people expected, but it does give us some immediate cap relief. Those first 3 years and $67M are all that really matters, after that he'll probably restructure anyway. The deal gives him $30M in bonuses for 2015 while reducing his base salary from $14M to $1M, which actually gives us $1.67M in immediate cap relief.

[Edited on June 2, 2015 at 5:33 PM. Reason : :]

6/2/2015 5:31:05 PM

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I'm relatively happy. I think we saved a good bit with his down season last year. It's not a bargain for us but it's not crippling. I like we can get out early if his injuries pile up. Hes unlikely to be effective in a few more years if he loses the ability to run.

I'd really like to see him make some strides in reading the defense now that we have some receiver continuity.

6/3/2015 7:07:29 AM

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