aimorris All American 15213 Posts user info edit post |
^My parents were from the US, not Honduras, Mexico, Panama, etc. 5/12/2016 9:32:57 PM |
moron All American 34078 Posts user info edit post |
Lol
Funny how there isn't a single trump supporter here that has anything remotely resembling a grip on reality. 5/12/2016 10:26:48 PM |
BJCaudill21 Not an alcoholic 8015 Posts user info edit post |
Those are b4c quotes
[Edited on May 12, 2016 at 10:43 PM. Reason : Oh, sorry that was e man] 5/12/2016 10:36:50 PM |
EMCE balls deep 89753 Posts user info edit post |
I feel like this thread is perhaps unwelcoming to Trump supporters. What say you? ↓
] 5/12/2016 10:42:25 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "^My parents were from the US, not Honduras, Mexico, Panama, etc. " |
So you are a native american. Got it. My apologies.5/12/2016 11:53:25 PM |
Big4Country All American 11912 Posts user info edit post |
^lol at the classic "it's ok for Mexicans to run across the border and have kids who automatically become US citizens because the white people took over the land that belonged to the Indians hundreds of years ago" argument. What happened hundreds of years ago isn't a valid excuse for allowing freebies to non-citizens and should be non-citizens.
[Edited on May 13, 2016 at 12:10 AM. Reason : .] 5/13/2016 12:09:27 AM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148326 Posts user info edit post |
fear mongerers are all paranoid like
5/13/2016 12:22:10 AM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
So are you saying people whose parents originally came here illegally, but have been here so long that its all they really know should be able to stay?
You seem to think its a no brainer that white people born here are citizens but somehow the children of mexicans should not be citizens because their parents didn't in your mind "belong" here. You seem conflicted because on one hand you want to go back and punish crimes of the past but on the other hand you want to say things that happened long ago should be forgotten. You justify this xenophobic stance with "but we've been here a lot longer" as an excuse for the illegal actions of your ancestors so I really want you to be clear.
What, in your opinion, should be the statute of limitations on illegal immigration?
[Edited on May 13, 2016 at 12:28 AM. Reason : v] 5/13/2016 12:26:40 AM |
Cherokee All American 8264 Posts user info edit post |
Not me. 5/13/2016 1:00:04 AM |
moron All American 34078 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I feel like this thread is perhaps unwelcoming to Trump supporters. What say you? ? " |
It's hard not to be when their reasons make literally zero sense.
Here are consistent reasons for voting for trump: 1) you hate america 2) you want to foment economic collapse to bring about a wild-west style America 3) youre wealthy and want to watch poor and middle class people suffer more 4) you're racist and are tired of having to hide it 5) You want to embolden Russia, China, S.A., Iran etc. to beef up their militaries and saber rattling 6) You legitimately think comprehensive, steep tariffs are a good policy to help Americans 7) You think a, unpredictable reality TV star that's a mediocre businessman, with no pertinent specialized knowledge or experience is a good choice to lead the country 8) You are an MMA fighter and have been hit in the head/knocked out 1 too many times5/13/2016 1:17:24 AM |
wdprice3 BinaryBuffonary 45912 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "The illegals have undercut a lot of people in the construction industry and other fields. " |
Oh horseshit. Don't blame the workers for what the employers are doing. I know as a republican you can't blame businesses and farmers for anything, as they are direct descendants of god. But immigrants didn't steal any fucking jobs. They didn't hold a gun to someone's head demanding employment at a lower wage. Your beloved system of ill-regulated capitalism lead to money-hungry business owners and farmers firing their work forces and hiring cheap, illegal workers. If you want to solve illegal immigration issues, then solve employment issues. Help Mexico solve its issues. A wall won't stop shit. Deportation won't stop shit.5/13/2016 8:24:27 AM |
afripino All American 11397 Posts user info edit post |
we've been using cheap labor to fight off inflation. terrible strategy. 5/13/2016 9:33:53 AM |
theDuke866 All American 52785 Posts user info edit post |
^ Um, we're not fighting inflation at all. We're below inflation targets; if we needed to fight inflation, we'd raise interest rates. 5/13/2016 10:16:31 AM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
1) There is a net negative flow of immigrants at out Southern border at present
2) Is there a single economist out there who thinks Trumps deportation plan would do anything but hurt the economy? 5/13/2016 12:27:43 PM |
Big4Country All American 11912 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Oh horseshit. Don't blame the workers for what the employers are doing. I know as a republican you can't blame businesses and farmers for anything, as they are direct descendants of god. But immigrants didn't steal any fucking jobs. They didn't hold a gun to someone's head demanding employment at a lower wage. Your beloved system of ill-regulated capitalism lead to money-hungry business owners and farmers firing their work forces and hiring cheap, illegal workers. If you want to solve illegal immigration issues, then solve employment issues. Help Mexico solve its issues. A wall won't stop shit. Deportation won't stop shit." |
I've been in the construction industry with my dad off and on for many years. It's changed. More and more Hispanics are getting involved in it every year and willing to work for lower wages than white, or black people. Some subcontractors pay illegals under the table to save money too. The builders my dad works for have started going for the cheaper Hispanic labor over the past decade. No one really seems to even care about the quality of work anymore either.
Also, it's not our duty to help Mexico solve its problems. The only way that could possibly happen is if we send in our military to overthrow the country at which point we could install a new democracy that isn't corrupt. We know how well that works though.5/13/2016 3:10:00 PM |
wdprice3 BinaryBuffonary 45912 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I've been in the construction industry with my dad off and on for many years. It's changed. More and more Hispanics are getting involved in it every year and willing to work for lower wages than white, or black people. Some subcontractors pay illegals under the table to save money too. The builders my dad works for have started going for the cheaper Hispanic labor over the past decade. No one really seems to even care about the quality of work anymore either." |
So exactly like I said then. It's not the laborer's fault that your dad fired someone to hire another, cheaper employee, to save a few bucks.
Quote : | "Also, it's not our duty to help Mexico solve its problems. The only way that could possibly happen is if we send in our military to overthrow the country at which point we could install a new democracy that isn't corrupt. We know how well that works though." |
No one said it was our duty to help Mexico solve its problems. But if you want to solve illegal immigration issues (which is becoming less of an issue every year recently, including negative immigration rates), then you have to solve the underlying issues. Many being problems within Mexico. So, either you help Mexico, if you really care about solving immigration issues. Or you really don't care about immigration issues, and you just want to spout some racist banter.
[Edited on May 13, 2016 at 3:36 PM. Reason : .]5/13/2016 3:36:21 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148326 Posts user info edit post |
How do you really help Mexico other than wage war against the Sinaloa Cartel? And why do that when you're (the US govt) making huge bank with them? 5/13/2016 3:46:10 PM |
krallum2016 All American 1356 Posts user info edit post |
How many of Mexico's problems are caused by their over consuming 'neighbors'? How many 'Mexicans' have ancestors that are from 'our land'? 5/13/2016 3:55:23 PM |
HUR All American 17732 Posts user info edit post |
If we are so worried about illegal immigrant taking jobs, why doesn't the government just crack down on the companies hiring them....
Start enforcing $50K fines per illegal laborer and i'm sure the demand for illegal workers would tank. 5/13/2016 4:42:01 PM |
moron All American 34078 Posts user info edit post |
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donald-trump-alter-ego-barron/2016/05/12/02ac99ec-16fe-11e6-aa55-670cabef46e0_story.html
Quote : | " A recording obtained by The Washington Post captures what New York reporters and editors who covered Trump’s early career experienced in the 1970s, ’80s and ’90s: calls from Trump’s Manhattan office that resulted in conversations with “John Miller” or “John Barron” — public-relations men who sound precisely like Trump himself — who indeed are Trump, masquerading as an unusually helpful and boastful advocate for himself, according to the journalists and several of Trump’s top aides" |
He's nuts...5/13/2016 7:47:56 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148326 Posts user info edit post |
Sounds like a smart way to deal with questions from reporters
Or is he nuts because you think this is some type of legit schizophrenia, and not just a way to do public relations?
[Edited on May 13, 2016 at 8:21 PM. Reason : .] 5/13/2016 8:18:56 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37584 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Also, it's not our duty to help Mexico solve its problems. " |
except mexico's #1 problem is the drug cartels. And drug cartel make there money off the huge American demand for drugs as well as the American govt's insistence that it be ilegal, here and elsewhere.5/13/2016 9:48:46 PM |
eleusis All American 24527 Posts user info edit post |
The United Nations insists on drugs being illegal, not just the US. 5/13/2016 10:35:39 PM |
moron All American 34078 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Sounds like a smart way to deal with questions from reporters
Or is he nuts because you think this is some type of legit schizophrenia, and not just a way to do public relations? " |
Are you joking...? It's not schizophrenia, it's a looney thing to do by someone with some screws missing. I don't think anyone disputes Trump is a little messed up in the head, but the evidence just keeps mounting.
Trump wouldn't be trying to lie about it if it's such a good idea.
[Edited on May 13, 2016 at 11:07 PM. Reason : ]5/13/2016 11:06:33 PM |
synapse play so hard 60935 Posts user info edit post |
You know it's bad when someone is posting racist shit that HUR, our resident racist-in-chief, disagrees with.
Also Trump is far from crazy. You can give up that BS narrative right now.
[Edited on May 14, 2016 at 12:28 AM. Reason : Also props to price for bringing the fire] 5/14/2016 12:26:19 AM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148326 Posts user info edit post |
if jaybee followed politics on tww, he'd call out moron for being an unobjective fucke 5/14/2016 12:36:53 AM |
synapse play so hard 60935 Posts user info edit post |
And in this case it'd be wildly accurate. 5/14/2016 12:41:38 AM |
Kurtis636 All American 14984 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "The United Nations insists on drugs being illegal, not just the US." |
Where do you think that came from though? The US pretty much dictated worldwide drug policy for 40 years.5/14/2016 1:38:00 AM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39221 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Also Trump is far from crazy. You can give up that BS narrative right now." |
have you read the transcript from his meeting with editorial board of the Washington Post?
dude is crazy and one of the most thin-skinned people on the planet5/14/2016 1:49:50 AM |
JCE2011 Suspended 5608 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "So, either you help Mexico, if you really care about solving immigration issues. Or you really don't care about immigration issues, and you just want to spout some racist banter." |
Or you just, you know, enforce our laws?
Fuck it, lets have more and more peasant-class immigrants in a welfare state that is trillions in debt, let's get some Syrian migrants while we are at it. Also we can call anyone that disagrees a Xenophobe or a Racist.5/14/2016 2:43:36 AM |
moron All American 34078 Posts user info edit post |
Trump is objectively a loose cannon, this isn't a two sides of the same coin situation.
You can't let yourself become desensitized to his nuttiness.
And trump is definitely crazy. Most people who would run for president have some level of personality disorder, but trump is clearly worse. His thin skin, aggressive past history, and this weird alternate, self congratulatory persona makes me think narcissistic personality disorder, but I'm not a doctor.
Trump is a loon though, shouldn't be anywhere near the presidency. 5/14/2016 3:59:12 AM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
I mean, that stuff is fine for some quasi-celebrity business man who controls a reality TV show. But how can anyone read things like that and think, "yeah let's give THAT guy the keys to the country." 5/14/2016 7:59:49 AM |
Big4Country All American 11912 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "So exactly like I said then. It's not the laborer's fault that your dad fired someone to hire another, cheaper employee, to save a few bucks." |
My dad didn't fire anyone. Him and a few people who moved to NC with us back in the 80s have been working together for years. They are starting to get undercut more and more every year though. The builders are going with the cheaper Hispanic labor and not all of them are legal.5/14/2016 10:09:30 AM |
EMCE balls deep 89753 Posts user info edit post |
^ I think the point you are missing is it's not the immigrants fault they are willing to work for a lower wage. The blame in your scenario lies fully on the businesses who choose to employ the immigrants. You seem to be happy with capitalism until you get the raw end of the stick.... 5/14/2016 10:18:36 AM |
rwoody Save TWW 37584 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " The builders are going with the cheaper Hispanic labor and not all of them are legal." |
Aha, the crux, he's mad at ALL Hispanics, not just illegals5/14/2016 10:23:08 AM |
SSS All American 3646 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Also Trump is far from crazy. You can give up that BS narrative right now." |
Wait, are...are YOU crazy? Have you not seen and heard him interact with other humans, particularly ones who are asking him pointed, relevant, and intelligent questions? How can you not see the ball of unstable insanity that he is? Dude has a squirrel running around inside his head.5/14/2016 11:48:29 AM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148326 Posts user info edit post |
All the other candidates give straightforward and honest answers 5/14/2016 12:03:14 PM |
Big4Country All American 11912 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Aha, the crux, he's mad at ALL Hispanics, not just illegals" |
Actually I'm not mad at our painter friend Juan. He came here legally. He's not a fan of the illegals from other countries either. I don't care who comes here as long as they do it legally.5/14/2016 12:18:45 PM |
moron All American 34078 Posts user info edit post |
^ So you support making it faster and easier for more of Juan's people who are going to come here, come here legally? 5/14/2016 1:42:52 PM |
SSS All American 3646 Posts user info edit post |
^^^ Look, I know all of them avoid questions.... But by bringing up a completely different topic, such as the LOOKS of the person asking the question? He's nuts and people take that as "saying exactly what he's thinking. We need that!" 5/14/2016 2:25:32 PM |
Kickstand All American 11564 Posts user info edit post |
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donald-trump-alter-ego-barron/2016/05/12/02ac99ec-16fe-11e6-aa55-670cabef46e0_story.html
I'm voting for Trump because he is his own publicist. Other public figures have a publicist who speaks for them and tells them when not to reveal personal feelings or drama. Trump is his own person and doesn't need that shit. 5/14/2016 2:50:28 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39221 Posts user info edit post |
that why he used an alias? 5/14/2016 2:59:10 PM |
SSS All American 3646 Posts user info edit post |
Yeah, since he's doing a great job being his own publicist. It's basically like someone insisting on being their own lawyer because they think they're smarter than the most seasoned professional. That rarely ends well. People who fall for his scam act that he's above needing a publicist or actually is qualified to be president are idiots. 5/14/2016 3:50:52 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "All the other candidates give straightforward and honest answers" |
Look I know you like being contrarian but there is a huge difference in disagreeing with the views and policies of a Kasich/Rubio and saying this about Trump. It's absolutely not a Republican/Democrat thing. He evidently has a history of being unhinged or at the very least is a chronic and severe narcissist. This guy needs to be nowhere near the presidency..5/14/2016 4:36:03 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148326 Posts user info edit post |
You sound a lot like the tea party neocons in 2007-08 talking about Obama, btw.
[Edited on May 14, 2016 at 5:18 PM. Reason : lol at him being a narcissist. As if everyone who wants to be POTUS isn't that way.] 5/14/2016 5:17:51 PM |
SSS All American 3646 Posts user info edit post |
You know what, never mind. No one is going to convince you to change your mind. It's unfortunate, though.
[Edited on May 14, 2016 at 7:21 PM. Reason : sss] 5/14/2016 7:10:06 PM |
moron All American 34078 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-history-women-new-york-times-report-election-2016/
I guess it's not surprising that the owner of a beauty pageant is a major creep, but c'mon people, we don't want this running our country.
^^ LOL at TT trying to paint Trump as equivalent to any other politician. 5/14/2016 7:26:52 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148326 Posts user info edit post |
Just pointing out that the fear mongering from the left is eerily similar to the fear mongering from the right a couple elections ago. OMG we don't want this corrupt community organizer who is friends with domestic terrorists running this country! This Obama candidate is a serious, serious threat to the future of the United States and I am genuinely scared of what might happen to our country!
Of course not everyone is going to pick up on that if they have strong political feelings to one side or the other.
^They're all narcissists. Hope you'd at least agree anyone who wants to be the most powerful person in the world has some strong narcissistic traits.
[Edited on May 14, 2016 at 7:43 PM. Reason : add another vote] 5/14/2016 7:40:58 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25462 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "^They're all narcissists. Hope you'd at least agree anyone who wants to be the most powerful person in the world has some strong narcissistic traits. " |
this is definitely true. but i'd argue that it's pretty clear that the rhetoric and style of obama and trump are very different. i see the connection you're trying to make and i can get where you're coming from. but i feel like the anti-trump shit is based in more reality and fact than the anti-obama stuff ever was.5/14/2016 7:58:54 PM |
wolfpack2105 All American 12428 Posts user info edit post |
Trump or Hillary?
Fuck sake...i'm staying at home 5/14/2016 11:55:49 PM |