^My parents were from the US, not Honduras, Mexico, Panama, etc.

5/12/2016 9:32:57 PM

Lol

Funny how there isn't a single trump supporter here that has anything remotely resembling a grip on reality.

5/12/2016 10:26:48 PM

Those are b4c quotes

[Edited on May 12, 2016 at 10:43 PM. Reason : Oh, sorry that was e man]

5/12/2016 10:36:50 PM

I feel like this thread is perhaps unwelcoming to Trump supporters. What say you? ↓

5/12/2016 10:42:25 PM

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"^My parents were from the US, not Honduras, Mexico, Panama, etc. "

So you are a native american. Got it. My apologies.

5/12/2016 11:53:25 PM

^lol at the classic "it's ok for Mexicans to run across the border and have kids who automatically become US citizens because the white people took over the land that belonged to the Indians hundreds of years ago" argument. What happened hundreds of years ago isn't a valid excuse for allowing freebies to non-citizens and should be non-citizens.

[Edited on May 13, 2016 at 12:10 AM. Reason : .]

5/13/2016 12:09:27 AM

fear mongerers are all paranoid like

5/13/2016 12:22:10 AM

So are you saying people whose parents originally came here illegally, but have been here so long that its all they really know should be able to stay?

You seem to think its a no brainer that white people born here are citizens but somehow the children of mexicans should not be citizens because their parents didn't in your mind "belong" here. You seem conflicted because on one hand you want to go back and punish crimes of the past but on the other hand you want to say things that happened long ago should be forgotten. You justify this xenophobic stance with "but we've been here a lot longer" as an excuse for the illegal actions of your ancestors so I really want you to be clear.

What, in your opinion, should be the statute of limitations on illegal immigration?

[Edited on May 13, 2016 at 12:28 AM. Reason : v]

5/13/2016 12:26:40 AM

Not me.

5/13/2016 1:00:04 AM

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"I feel like this thread is perhaps unwelcoming to Trump supporters. What say you? ? "

It's hard not to be when their reasons make literally zero sense.

Here are consistent reasons for voting for trump:
1) you hate america
2) you want to foment economic collapse to bring about a wild-west style America
3) youre wealthy and want to watch poor and middle class people suffer more
4) you're racist and are tired of having to hide it
5) You want to embolden Russia, China, S.A., Iran etc. to beef up their militaries and saber rattling
6) You legitimately think comprehensive, steep tariffs are a good policy to help Americans
7) You think a, unpredictable reality TV star that's a mediocre businessman, with no pertinent specialized knowledge or experience is a good choice to lead the country
8) You are an MMA fighter and have been hit in the head/knocked out 1 too many times

5/13/2016 1:17:24 AM

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"The illegals have undercut a lot of people in the construction industry and other fields. "

Oh horseshit. Don't blame the workers for what the employers are doing. I know as a republican you can't blame businesses and farmers for anything, as they are direct descendants of god. But immigrants didn't steal any fucking jobs. They didn't hold a gun to someone's head demanding employment at a lower wage. Your beloved system of ill-regulated capitalism lead to money-hungry business owners and farmers firing their work forces and hiring cheap, illegal workers. If you want to solve illegal immigration issues, then solve employment issues. Help Mexico solve its issues. A wall won't stop shit. Deportation won't stop shit.

5/13/2016 8:24:27 AM

we've been using cheap labor to fight off inflation. terrible strategy.

5/13/2016 9:33:53 AM

^ Um, we're not fighting inflation at all. We're below inflation targets; if we needed to fight inflation, we'd raise interest rates.

5/13/2016 10:16:31 AM

1) There is a net negative flow of immigrants at out Southern border at present

2) Is there a single economist out there who thinks Trumps deportation plan would do anything but hurt the economy?

5/13/2016 12:27:43 PM

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"Oh horseshit. Don't blame the workers for what the employers are doing. I know as a republican you can't blame businesses and farmers for anything, as they are direct descendants of god. But immigrants didn't steal any fucking jobs. They didn't hold a gun to someone's head demanding employment at a lower wage. Your beloved system of ill-regulated capitalism lead to money-hungry business owners and farmers firing their work forces and hiring cheap, illegal workers. If you want to solve illegal immigration issues, then solve employment issues. Help Mexico solve its issues. A wall won't stop shit. Deportation won't stop shit."

I've been in the construction industry with my dad off and on for many years. It's changed. More and more Hispanics are getting involved in it every year and willing to work for lower wages than white, or black people. Some subcontractors pay illegals under the table to save money too. The builders my dad works for have started going for the cheaper Hispanic labor over the past decade. No one really seems to even care about the quality of work anymore either.

Also, it's not our duty to help Mexico solve its problems. The only way that could possibly happen is if we send in our military to overthrow the country at which point we could install a new democracy that isn't corrupt. We know how well that works though.

5/13/2016 3:10:00 PM

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"I've been in the construction industry with my dad off and on for many years. It's changed. More and more Hispanics are getting involved in it every year and willing to work for lower wages than white, or black people. Some subcontractors pay illegals under the table to save money too. The builders my dad works for have started going for the cheaper Hispanic labor over the past decade. No one really seems to even care about the quality of work anymore either."

So exactly like I said then. It's not the laborer's fault that your dad fired someone to hire another, cheaper employee, to save a few bucks.

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"Also, it's not our duty to help Mexico solve its problems. The only way that could possibly happen is if we send in our military to overthrow the country at which point we could install a new democracy that isn't corrupt. We know how well that works though."

No one said it was our duty to help Mexico solve its problems. But if you want to solve illegal immigration issues (which is becoming less of an issue every year recently, including negative immigration rates), then you have to solve the underlying issues. Many being problems within Mexico. So, either you help Mexico, if you really care about solving immigration issues. Or you really don't care about immigration issues, and you just want to spout some racist banter.

[Edited on May 13, 2016 at 3:36 PM. Reason : .]

5/13/2016 3:36:21 PM

How do you really help Mexico other than wage war against the Sinaloa Cartel? And why do that when you're (the US govt) making huge bank with them?

5/13/2016 3:46:10 PM

How many of Mexico's problems are caused by their over consuming 'neighbors'?
How many 'Mexicans' have ancestors that are from 'our land'?

5/13/2016 3:55:23 PM

If we are so worried about illegal immigrant taking jobs, why doesn't the government just crack down on the companies hiring them....

Start enforcing $50K fines per illegal laborer and i'm sure the demand for illegal workers would tank.

5/13/2016 4:42:01 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donald-trump-alter-ego-barron/2016/05/12/02ac99ec-16fe-11e6-aa55-670cabef46e0_story.html

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" A recording obtained by The Washington Post captures what New York reporters and editors who covered Trump’s early career experienced in the 1970s, ’80s and ’90s: calls from Trump’s Manhattan office that resulted in conversations with “John Miller” or “John Barron” — public-relations men who sound precisely like Trump himself — who indeed are Trump, masquerading as an unusually helpful and boastful advocate for himself, according to the journalists and several of Trump’s top aides"

He's nuts...

5/13/2016 7:47:56 PM

Sounds like a smart way to deal with questions from reporters

Or is he nuts because you think this is some type of legit schizophrenia, and not just a way to do public relations?

[Edited on May 13, 2016 at 8:21 PM. Reason : .]

5/13/2016 8:18:56 PM

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"Also, it's not our duty to help Mexico solve its problems. "

except mexico's #1 problem is the drug cartels. And drug cartel make there money off the huge American demand for drugs as well as the American govt's insistence that it be ilegal, here and elsewhere.

5/13/2016 9:48:46 PM

The United Nations insists on drugs being illegal, not just the US.

5/13/2016 10:35:39 PM

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"Sounds like a smart way to deal with questions from reporters Or is he nuts because you think this is some type of legit schizophrenia, and not just a way to do public relations? "

Are you joking...? It's not schizophrenia, it's a looney thing to do by someone with some screws missing. I don't think anyone disputes Trump is a little messed up in the head, but the evidence just keeps mounting.

Trump wouldn't be trying to lie about it if it's such a good idea.

[Edited on May 13, 2016 at 11:07 PM. Reason : ]

5/13/2016 11:06:33 PM

You know it's bad when someone is posting racist shit that HUR, our resident racist-in-chief, disagrees with.

Also Trump is far from crazy. You can give up that BS narrative right now.

[Edited on May 14, 2016 at 12:28 AM. Reason : Also props to price for bringing the fire]

5/14/2016 12:26:19 AM

if jaybee followed politics on tww, he'd call out moron for being an unobjective fucke

5/14/2016 12:36:53 AM

And in this case it'd be wildly accurate.

5/14/2016 12:41:38 AM

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"The United Nations insists on drugs being illegal, not just the US."

Where do you think that came from though? The US pretty much dictated worldwide drug policy for 40 years.

5/14/2016 1:38:00 AM

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"Also Trump is far from crazy. You can give up that BS narrative right now."

have you read the transcript from his meeting with editorial board of the Washington Post?

dude is crazy and one of the most thin-skinned people on the planet

5/14/2016 1:49:50 AM

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"So, either you help Mexico, if you really care about solving immigration issues. Or you really don't care about immigration issues, and you just want to spout some racist banter."

Or you just, you know, enforce our laws?

Fuck it, lets have more and more peasant-class immigrants in a welfare state that is trillions in debt, let's get some Syrian migrants while we are at it. Also we can call anyone that disagrees a Xenophobe or a Racist.

5/14/2016 2:43:36 AM

Trump is objectively a loose cannon, this isn't a two sides of the same coin situation.

You can't let yourself become desensitized to his nuttiness.

And trump is definitely crazy. Most people who would run for president have some level of personality disorder, but trump is clearly worse. His thin skin, aggressive past history, and this weird alternate, self congratulatory persona makes me think narcissistic personality disorder, but I'm not a doctor.

Trump is a loon though, shouldn't be anywhere near the presidency.

5/14/2016 3:59:12 AM

I mean, that stuff is fine for some quasi-celebrity business man who controls a reality TV show. But how can anyone read things like that and think, "yeah let's give THAT guy the keys to the country."

5/14/2016 7:59:49 AM

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"So exactly like I said then. It's not the laborer's fault that your dad fired someone to hire another, cheaper employee, to save a few bucks."

My dad didn't fire anyone. Him and a few people who moved to NC with us back in the 80s have been working together for years. They are starting to get undercut more and more every year though. The builders are going with the cheaper Hispanic labor and not all of them are legal.

5/14/2016 10:09:30 AM

^ I think the point you are missing is it's not the immigrants fault they are willing to work for a lower wage. The blame in your scenario lies fully on the businesses who choose to employ the immigrants. You seem to be happy with capitalism until you get the raw end of the stick....

5/14/2016 10:18:36 AM

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" The builders are going with the cheaper Hispanic labor and not all of them are legal."

Aha, the crux, he's mad at ALL Hispanics, not just illegals

5/14/2016 10:23:08 AM

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"Also Trump is far from crazy. You can give up that BS narrative right now."

Wait, are...are YOU crazy? Have you not seen and heard him interact with other humans, particularly ones who are asking him pointed, relevant, and intelligent questions? How can you not see the ball of unstable insanity that he is? Dude has a squirrel running around inside his head.

5/14/2016 11:48:29 AM

All the other candidates give straightforward and honest answers

5/14/2016 12:03:14 PM

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"Aha, the crux, he's mad at ALL Hispanics, not just illegals"

Actually I'm not mad at our painter friend Juan. He came here legally. He's not a fan of the illegals from other countries either. I don't care who comes here as long as they do it legally.

5/14/2016 12:18:45 PM

^ So you support making it faster and easier for more of Juan's people who are going to come here, come here legally?

5/14/2016 1:42:52 PM

^^^ Look, I know all of them avoid questions.... But by bringing up a completely different topic, such as the LOOKS of the person asking the question? He's nuts and people take that as "saying exactly what he's thinking. We need that!"

5/14/2016 2:25:32 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donald-trump-alter-ego-barron/2016/05/12/02ac99ec-16fe-11e6-aa55-670cabef46e0_story.html

I'm voting for Trump because he is his own publicist. Other public figures have a publicist who speaks for them and tells them when not to reveal personal feelings or drama.
Trump is his own person and doesn't need that shit.

5/14/2016 2:50:28 PM

that why he used an alias?

5/14/2016 2:59:10 PM

Yeah, since he's doing a great job being his own publicist. It's basically like someone insisting on being their own lawyer because they think they're smarter than the most seasoned professional. That rarely ends well. People who fall for his scam act that he's above needing a publicist or actually is qualified to be president are idiots.

5/14/2016 3:50:52 PM

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"All the other candidates give straightforward and honest answers"

Look I know you like being contrarian but there is a huge difference in disagreeing with the views and policies of a Kasich/Rubio and saying this about Trump. It's absolutely not a Republican/Democrat thing. He evidently has a history of being unhinged or at the very least is a chronic and severe narcissist. This guy needs to be nowhere near the presidency..

5/14/2016 4:36:03 PM

You sound a lot like the tea party neocons in 2007-08 talking about Obama, btw.

[Edited on May 14, 2016 at 5:18 PM. Reason : lol at him being a narcissist. As if everyone who wants to be POTUS isn't that way.]

5/14/2016 5:17:51 PM

You know what, never mind. No one is going to convince you to change your mind. It's unfortunate, though.

[Edited on May 14, 2016 at 7:21 PM. Reason : sss]

5/14/2016 7:10:06 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-history-women-new-york-times-report-election-2016/

I guess it's not surprising that the owner of a beauty pageant is a major creep, but c'mon people, we don't want this running our country.

^^ LOL at TT trying to paint Trump as equivalent to any other politician.

5/14/2016 7:26:52 PM

Just pointing out that the fear mongering from the left is eerily similar to the fear mongering from the right a couple elections ago. OMG we don't want this corrupt community organizer who is friends with domestic terrorists running this country! This Obama candidate is a serious, serious threat to the future of the United States and I am genuinely scared of what might happen to our country!

Of course not everyone is going to pick up on that if they have strong political feelings to one side or the other.

^They're all narcissists. Hope you'd at least agree anyone who wants to be the most powerful person in the world has some strong narcissistic traits.

[Edited on May 14, 2016 at 7:43 PM. Reason : add another vote]

5/14/2016 7:40:58 PM

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"^They're all narcissists. Hope you'd at least agree anyone who wants to be the most powerful person in the world has some strong narcissistic traits. "

this is definitely true. but i'd argue that it's pretty clear that the rhetoric and style of obama and trump are very different. i see the connection you're trying to make and i can get where you're coming from. but i feel like the anti-trump shit is based in more reality and fact than the anti-obama stuff ever was.

5/14/2016 7:58:54 PM

Trump or Hillary?

Fuck sake...i'm staying at home

5/14/2016 11:55:49 PM