(30)

i like that bag idea....good way to try to move past a bad beat and you also get a workout
only thing is you think being fatigued might affect your play?


[Edited on June 16, 2005 at 12:36 PM. Reason : ssdae]

6/16/2005 12:25:45 PM

shit, I've got a 75lb bag in my basement, and everytime I get busted out of a sit-n-go on a sour note, I pound the shit out of that thing for a good 10 minutes.

6/16/2005 7:09:35 PM

More proof that low cards love me:

Seat 1: lefty300s ($1,500 in chips)
Seat 2: xCoonass ($1,500 in chips)
Seat 3: neo189 ($1,500 in chips)
Seat 4: orwego ($1,500 in chips)
Seat 5: DrOldSchool [2C,2H] ($1,500 in chips)
Seat 6: PanoramaTC ($1,500 in chips)
Seat 7: dogman46 ($1,500 in chips)
Seat 8: GhetoFabulus ($1,500 in chips)
Seat 9: usmc82587 ($1,500 in chips)
Seat 10: ajq2 ($1,500 in chips)



ANTES/BLINDS
orwego posts blind ($10), DrOldSchool posts blind ($20).

PRE-FLOP
PanoramaTC calls $20, dogman46 calls $20, GhetoFabulus folds, usmc82587 folds, ajq2 folds, lefty300s folds, xCoonass folds, neo189 calls $20, orwego calls $10, DrOldSchool bets $80, PanoramaTC calls $80, dogman46 calls $80, neo189 folds, orwego folds.

FLOP [board cards 5D,2S,4S ]
DrOldSchool bets $150, PanoramaTC folds, dogman46 calls $150.

TURN [board cards 5D,2S,4S,AH ]
DrOldSchool bets $300, dogman46 calls $300.

RIVER [board cards 5D,2S,4S,AH,2D ]
DrOldSchool bets $400, dogman46 bets $950 and is all-in, DrOldSchool calls $550 and is all-in.

SHOWDOWN
dogman46 shows [ 5H,5S ]
DrOldSchool shows [ 2C,2H ]
DrOldSchool wins $3,140.



SUMMARY
Dealer: neo189
Pot: $3,140
lefty300s, loses $0
xCoonass, loses $0
neo189, loses $20
orwego, loses $20
DrOldSchool, bets $1,500, collects $3,140, net $1,640
PanoramaTC, loses $100
dogman46, loses $1,500
GhetoFabulus, loses $0
usmc82587, loses $0
ajq2, loses $0

Does anyone know haw to play low ball or razz? I need to learn with all the luck i have in hold 'em with low cards

[Edited on June 17, 2005 at 1:49 AM. Reason : l]

6/17/2005 1:49:18 AM

I am not exactly sure what you were thinking on that one. Raising in the first hand of a sit and go with 22, not exactly solid play. Sure, you hit your set, but you were still really far behind after the flop. You won the hand with a miracle deuce on the river.... but I'm willing to bet you didn't win the tournament.

6/17/2005 3:35:16 AM

^^More proof that you got REALLY REALLY REALLY lucky.

6/17/2005 6:21:50 PM

I finished just out of the $, it was a multi-table with ~300 folks in it. Didn;'t get much in the way of cards all game.

I know it's not a "solid" play, but I always raise with 2s. I do realize I'm behind going into any flop with them.

And yes, I got lucky as hell, hence why I said they love me... I put him on high cards. But those out there who play with me will attest, I probably win with 2's more than anyone.

6/17/2005 6:39:49 PM

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

6/17/2005 8:29:42 PM

i've played with sean in many live games -- and he lives on pocket 2s. i hardly ever call a blind with him, but somehow, he always wins with them.

6/17/2005 10:06:30 PM

Quote :

"I know it's not a "solid" play, but I always raise with 2s. I do realize I'm behind going into any flop with them."

Actually, you aren't. You are even a favorite going into the flop against AK.

6/17/2005 10:34:07 PM

Quote :

"i've played with sean in many live games -- and he lives on pocket 2s. i hardly ever call a blind with him, but somehow, he always wins with them."

That's just ludicrous. It's just as bad as people who will call any bet with ace high because they "know an ace will come".

6/17/2005 11:04:47 PM

Quote :

"Actually, you aren't. You are even a favorite going into the flop against AK."

heads up, this is true (unless one of the 2's is the same suit as AKs).
if it's multi-handed, then the 2's are an underdog (since someone just needs to hit a pair).
a lot of beginners try to isolate and overplay low pocket pairs.
i think the only time they should be played is in late position with a lot of callers in an unraised pot. same goes for low suited connectors and other drawing hands.

there's my $0.02

6/19/2005 2:58:03 AM

I love calling raises with low pairs.

If my opponent and I both have respectable stacks and I have position, I'll call upwards of 5BB preflop raises. Great implied odds if you hit vs AA or KK, and occasionally you can steal the pot if you have a good read on them.

This is how I win most of my big pots.

6/19/2005 4:47:48 AM

^me too

6/19/2005 10:40:26 AM

Won a sit-n-go last night.... when it went heads up my opponent started going all-in on every hand. I laid the first three down, then doubled up on him on a A9 vs 107 type of scenario. In the next half dozen hands or so he managed to split the pot when dominated preflop three times on A9 vs. A7, K7 vs K4, and Q10 vs Q8. I realize low kickers can often not matter, but he'd have been smoked had I won any of those.

I finally lost with A10 against his J9, and crumbled down to like 400 chips (out of the 8000 on the board). I managed to win two in a row, then the poor SOB got disconnected. A couple dozen hands later he was blinded out. Poor bastard

6/21/2005 8:53:23 AM

So actually he lost the sit n go....you didn't technically "win" it.

6/21/2005 12:47:27 PM

he got 1st place money!


sounds like he won!

6/21/2005 1:57:10 PM

sounds like it was his first sit 'n go

i'm sure a lot of yall saw that state grad win wpt pp million right? i didn't even know pp million was a wpt event, he also won wsop '05 event #7, dude is pretty fucking good, knows what he's doing at least, and not scared to make some serious moves consistently

[Edited on June 21, 2005 at 2:16 PM. Reason : rgawef]

6/21/2005 2:15:08 PM

Quote :

"heads up, this is true (unless one of the 2's is the same suit as AKs)."

oops, i meant if one of the 2's isn't the same suit as AKs. it was 3am when i made that post. but it's virtually a coin flip (50.1% - 49.9%).

^ i've only heard of him, but i know people who have played with him before. have they shown the pp tourney on television?

6/21/2005 2:46:32 PM

yea, i was surprised to see it was limit, bc i just assumed pp million would be nl like all their other big tourneys, i may've tried to qualify if i knew it was limit, and on tv....

i thought i might've played with him before also, but now that i've seen him i dont think i have, i give him props though

6/21/2005 2:48:33 PM

Quote :

"Quote : "I know it's not a "solid" play, but I always raise with 2s. I do realize I'm behind going into any flop with them." Actually, you aren't. You are even a favorite going into the flop against AK."

but not a favorite going against suited cards with more straight possibilities. (ie. JTsuited)

6/21/2005 3:12:48 PM

Quote :

"sounds like it was his first sit 'n go"

Closer to 30th actually... thanks....

6/22/2005 9:53:56 AM

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

6/22/2005 12:40:30 PM

yeah, just a cheap $6 game ... but still!

***** Hand History for Game 2247114974 *****
NL Hold'em $5 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:13318376 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Wednesday, June 22, 17:57:01 EDT 2005
Table Table 12515 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 2: TonJa1380 ( $1150 )
Seat 10: Krom66 ( $1650 )
Seat 4: ejl1937 ( $5200 )
Trny:13318376 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TonJa1380 [ Qc Ac ]
Krom66 raises [200].
TonJa1380 raises [355].
ejl1937 folds.
Krom66 calls [170].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, Qh, 7d ]
TonJa1380 bets [200].
Krom66 is all-In [1280]
TonJa1380 is all-In [580]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kc ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4h ]
TonJa1380 shows [ Qc, Ac ] a pair of queens.
Krom66 shows [ Kd, 2c ] a pair of kings.
Krom66 wins 500 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of kings.
Krom66 wins 2330 chips from the main pot with a pair of kings.
TonJa1380 finished in third place and won $10.
suck out
TonJa1380 has left the table.

6/22/2005 6:02:28 PM

how did you only have 3 people left in the second level of the tournament?

6/22/2005 6:05:21 PM

it was a cheap one ... people are stupid; they go all-in quickly and, as you see, lose.

6/22/2005 6:12:05 PM

you should really consider moving up to the $10+$1 tournies on party.. almost every other site I can think of only takes $.50 for themselves for $5 tournies.

paying 20% in online tourney fees is pretty lame



[Edited on June 22, 2005 at 10:53 PM. Reason : .]

6/22/2005 10:51:38 PM

yeah it is.

6/22/2005 10:57:41 PM

i totally agree ... but it's more lame to lose $11 than win only $4. i can't win on the $10+1 tables to save my life. every time i play, i'm the third or fourth out. i'll get awesome starting hands and then the flop comes 5-8-3 rainbow. not helping my Ah,Kh much. i play two or three 5+1 tables a day. i usually win one, and place in at least one of the others. so, it's profit.
i do it for the entertainment value, not because i need the money supplement. god help me if i were depending on poker to pay my expenses. i'd be barefoot and homeless.

...then again, i won a $20 on absolute poker yesterday. i seem to do better on the higher tables there, and smaller tables on party.



[Edited on June 23, 2005 at 9:45 AM. Reason : .]

6/23/2005 9:42:36 AM

3rd hand of a home game,

KK vs. AA

guy was always super aggressive, nothing like losing first....


god i suck.

6/23/2005 8:45:25 PM

This is the biggest BS I have ever seen online. A guy gets back to back quads.

########################################################
Stage #144334728: Holdem Normal $0.50/$1 [ 2005-06-23 22:16:28 ]
Seat 1 - LDRUMMEL $33.12 in chips
Seat 3 - SARAH MAC $16.95 in chips
Seat 4 - JIMMYTOM $8.40 in chips
Seat 5 - SALSALADY $7.15 in chips
Seat 8 - VENOMPSYCHO $10.58 in chips
Seat 9 - LEEEEESA13 $10.29 in chips
*** BLIND [dealer 1] ***
SARAH MAC - Post small blind $0.25
JIMMYTOM - Post big blind $0.50
VENOMPSYCHO - Pocket [6s,Qs]
SALSALADY - Raises $0.50 to $1
VENOMPSYCHO - Folds
LEEEEESA13 - Calls $1
LDRUMMEL - Folds
SARAH MAC - Calls $0.75
JIMMYTOM - Calls $0.50
*** FLOP [Ad,10h,Ah] ***
SARAH MAC - Checks
JIMMYTOM - Checks
SALSALADY - Bets $0.50
LEEEEESA13 - Folds
SARAH MAC - Calls $0.50
JIMMYTOM - Calls $0.50
*** TURN [Ad,10h,Ah,8d] ***
SARAH MAC - Checks
JIMMYTOM - Checks
SALSALADY - Bets $1
SARAH MAC - Calls $1
JIMMYTOM - Calls $1
*** RIVER [Ad,10h,Ah,8d,7d] ***
SARAH MAC - Checks
JIMMYTOM - Checks
SALSALADY - Bets $1
SARAH MAC - Folds
JIMMYTOM - Calls $1
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SALSALADY - Show cards [As,Ac]
JIMMYTOM - Show cards [Jc,Jd]
*** RESULT ***
Total Pot($10.50) Rake ($0.50)
Board [Ad,10h,Ah,8d,7d]
LDRUMMEL - Folded on the POCKET CARDS
SARAH MAC - Folded on the RIVER
JIMMYTOM - HI:Two pair, aces and jacks [Jc,Jd - B:Ah,B:Ad,P:Jd,P:Jc,B:10h]
SALSALADY - Total ($10) HI$10)Four of a kind, aces [As,Ac - P:As,B:Ah,B:Ad,P:Ac,B:10h]
VENOMPSYCHO - Folded on the POCKET CARDS
LEEEEESA13 - Folded on the FLOP
########################################################
Stage #144335303: Holdem Normal $0.50/$1 [ 2005-06-23 22:17:29 ]
Seat 1 - LDRUMMEL $33.12 in chips
Seat 3 - SARAH MAC $14.45 in chips
Seat 4 - JIMMYTOM $4.90 in chips
Seat 5 - SALSALADY $13.65 in chips
Seat 8 - VENOMPSYCHO $10.58 in chips
Seat 9 - LEEEEESA13 $9.29 in chips
*** BLIND [dealer 3] ***
JIMMYTOM - Post small blind $0.25
SALSALADY - Post big blind $0.50
VENOMPSYCHO - Pocket [Ah,Jh]
VENOMPSYCHO - Calls $0.50
LEEEEESA13 - Calls $0.50
LDRUMMEL - Folds
SARAH MAC - Calls $0.50
JIMMYTOM - Calls $0.25
SALSALADY - Checks
*** FLOP [4s,4h,Kc] ***
JIMMYTOM - Checks
SALSALADY - Bets $0.50
VENOMPSYCHO - Folds
LEEEEESA13 - Calls $0.50
SARAH MAC - Folds
JIMMYTOM - Calls $0.50
*** TURN [4s,4h,Kc,3h] ***
JIMMYTOM - Checks
SALSALADY - Bets $1
LEEEEESA13 - Folds
JIMMYTOM - Calls $1
*** RIVER [4s,4h,Kc,3h,4c] ***
JIMMYTOM - Checks
SALSALADY - Bets $1
JIMMYTOM - Calls $1
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SALSALADY - Show cards [2s,4d]
JIMMYTOM - Show cards [7c,7d]
*** RESULT ***
Total Pot($8) Rake ($0.40)
Board [4s,4h,Kc,3h,4c]
LDRUMMEL - Folded on the POCKET CARDS
SARAH MAC - Folded on the FLOP
JIMMYTOM - HI:Full house, fours full of sevens [7c,7d - B:4s,B:4h,B:4c,P:7d,P:7c]
SALSALADY - Total ($7.60) HI$7.60)Four of a kind, fours [2s,4d - B:4s,B:4h,P:4d,B:4c,B:Kc]
VENOMPSYCHO - Folded on the FLOP
LEEEEESA13 - Folded on the TURN
########################################################

6/23/2005 10:23:40 PM

Rigged!

6/24/2005 12:47:11 AM

RIGGED!!!!!!

6/24/2005 7:17:26 AM

[generic consipracy theory]

but if you want to see rigged, go play casino del rio.

6/24/2005 8:22:38 AM

I played online yesterday for about 10hours. In that time, I got quads, a straight flush, and saw that guy get quads back to back, and an hour before saw another guy get them.

6/24/2005 11:12:31 AM

because the outcome of your hands you played yesterday (assuming single table 0.50/1, @ ~50hands/hour, you may have seen 500 hands) has any real issue with your long term outcome percentages. 500 hands is an awful small sample size. however, over the long term the final hand distrobutions will be roughly the same. and by long term i mean at minimum 200,000 hands. It doesnt matter at when they come, it just matters that they do.

You must learn the concept of variance. Also realize that you are seeing 500 hands, where the table is seeing 5000.

hell, what are your preflop chances of catching quads? im at work so i dont have my books or cant lookt it up.. lets say its 1,000:1. so it hitting twice in a row is 1,000*1,000:1. thats only 1,000,000:1. how many hands has party poker dealt? well over a billion im sure. so, with an average of 7 players per table, thats well over 7 billion times where someone could hit a 1 million to one shot. Id bet it has happened a few times before.

6/24/2005 11:27:14 AM

but then say only 35% of the people see the flop...

that's cutting down on 65% of the probability that someone will even see the flop to be able to hit the quads.. let alone stay in the hand long enough to hit on the turn or river

not saying it's impossible, or that it's rigged, but that's pretty unlikely, and i don't think it would happen as often as you think

6/24/2005 11:49:25 AM

10 hours * 3 tables *50hands/hour * 10 players per table is

15,000 single hands.

What you saw was not probable, but not impossible.

6/24/2005 12:17:54 PM

Quote :

"but then say only 35% of the people see the flop... that's cutting down on 65% of the probability that someone will even see the flop to be able to hit the quads.. let alone stay in the hand long enough to hit on the turn or river not saying it's impossible, or that it's rigged, but that's pretty unlikely, and i don't think it would happen as often as you think"

Ill be goddamned if the vp$ip at 0.50/1 is anywhere near 35%. usually about 80%. 2/4 maybe 35%, but thats a fucking rock garden.

6/24/2005 1:00:47 PM

and then throw in the fact that most of the time people will not throw away a pocket pair and it probably happens more often

6/24/2005 4:58:59 PM

We'll see if I can come back from this...

***** Hand History for Game 2257338261 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:13373777 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Friday, June 24, 19:19:38 EDT 2005
Table Table 35014 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 6: uofafan27 ( $775 )
Seat 8: howsthat ( $640 )
Seat 10: roderunner72 ( $1675 )
Seat 5: Kojack05 ( $1870 )
Seat 7: texas4life45 ( $710 )
Seat 4: RedJackal ( $440 )
Seat 1: Hangar18502 ( $630 )
Seat 9: bigvard ( $1260 )
Trny:13373777 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Kojack05 [ Ac Ks ]
howsthat folds.
bigvard folds.
roderunner72 raises [175].
Hangar18502 folds.
RedJackal folds.
Kojack05 calls [175].
uofafan27 folds.
texas4life45 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8d, Ah, Kd ]
roderunner72 checks.
Kojack05 bets [250].
roderunner72 raises [700].
Kojack05 is all-In [1445]
roderunner72 is all-In [800]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6c ]
roderunner72 shows [ 8s, 8h ] three of a kind, eights.
Kojack05 shows [ Ac, Ks ] two pairs, aces and kings.
Kojack05 wins 195 chips from side pot #1 with two pairs, aces and kings.
roderunner72 wins 3425 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, eights.

6/24/2005 7:24:50 PM

1st rule of profitable poker.... play with people who are worse than you....

***** Hand History for Game 2257422798 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:13374611 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Friday, June 24, 19:37:52 EDT 2005
Table Table 11176 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 10: EricTheEnema ( $1560 )
Seat 6: Arons19 ( $675 )
Seat 1: CRTPM ( $870 )
Seat 3: NewAtPoker1 ( $610 )
Seat 9: Kojack05 ( $665 )
Seat 8: FranKG_DMI ( $785 )
Seat 2: barkyle ( $790 )
Seat 7: hapman ( $1425 )
Seat 4: mjcyjc ( $620 )
Trny:13374611 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Kojack05 [ 5h 5d ]
EricTheEnema folds.
CRTPM folds.
barkyle folds.
Million Dollar Guaranteed Tournament tomorrow at 4:30 PM. Register now or play the daily qualifiers. Hurry up or you miss out!
NewAtPoker1 folds.
mjcyjc folds.
Arons19 folds.
hapman calls [15].
FranKG_DMI calls [5].
Kojack05 raises [35].
hapman calls [35].
FranKG_DMI calls [35].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jh, Ts, Ad ]
FranKG_DMI checks.
Kojack05 bets [100].
hapman calls [100].
FranKG_DMI calls [100].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4h ]
FranKG_DMI checks.
Kojack05 checks.
hapman checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 7d ]
FranKG_DMI checks.
Kojack05 is all-In [515]
hapman folds.
FranKG_DMI folds.
Kojack05 does not show cards.
Kojack05 wins 965 chips

6/24/2005 7:40:23 PM

Longshot time:

I need a game tonight.

The caveat is i live in richmond.

IF any of you cats know about and could get me into a game tonight, id be very appreciative.

hit the profile, and my aim profile for my cell number, im going out for dinner and drinks.

ill play just about anything,

1/2 - 10/20 LHE
.50/1 - 1/2 NLHE/PLHE (not my strong suit)
1/2 - 5/10 OH, OH8
.5/1 - 1/2 PLO, PLO8
.50/1 - 3/6 7CS, 7CS8

If i didnt have to work tommorow, id be in the car on the way to AC.

6/24/2005 7:46:46 PM

^^ Way to risk all your chips at level 1, for no particular reason.

That was not profitable poker.



[Edited on June 24, 2005 at 7:50 PM. Reason : .]

6/24/2005 7:49:30 PM

^the first thing I thought

6/24/2005 9:14:37 PM

never said it was a good move, just that I knew neither of them were smart enough to call...

6/25/2005 12:46:38 AM

It's a matter of risk/reward.

Against bad players, you run a very real risk of falling victim to a loose call such as A-6 in that spot. There's also the risk that you're playing against a passive bad player who has a big hand by the river to legitamitely call you with.

There are also bad players online with the "don't get bluffed" mentality. You showed weakness on the turn, and they're the type who would call you with 2nd pair on the river cause they "knew you were bluffing". These guys, and idiots who go all-in with nothing are the ones you see consistantly going broke in the first round or two of most every sit-n-go at party.

You put yourself in a position where you would lose to any one of these type of bad players. The risk was $11 of real money.

But you didn't go broke, and your reward was ~400 tournament chips with that all-in. However, at this stage in the tournament those chips have very little real money value(meaning they do not significantly increase your chances of finishing in the money), especially compared to the $11 you risked.


I know you already conceeded that it wasn't a good play, but it didn't work because you played smarter than your opponents. It was a pretty dumb play, and you just happened to be against two other bullshit hands that couldnt call you. The great thing about playing against bad players is that your good hands will get paid off, not that you can bluff your way out of every pot - cause you really can't.

Knowing how to play against bad players is what really makes you a good player. If you play badly against them, you are no better.

6/25/2005 3:36:33 AM

does anyone know what the odds are of being dealt the same pocket pair 3 hands in a row?

we were playing in a little $5 buy-in tourney at my friend's house, and my cousin was dealt pocket kings 3 hands in a row. we were playing with 2 decks of cards, and shuffled between every hand.

6/25/2005 12:12:56 PM

I think the odds of getting a pocket pair dealt to you 3 times in a row are 1 in 4,913, and that is any pocket pair, not necessarily repeated, for example 33, 88, KK.

The odds of getting the same pocket pair 3 times in a row is 1 in 830,297.

The odds of getting a particular pocket pair 3 times in a row is 1 in 10,793,861.

I am pretty sure that the way I came up with those numbers is correct. So last night, you saw a 1 in 10,000,000 chance.

Just to put that in perspective, consider a lottery that places 50 balls numbered 1-50 in a machine, and expels 6 of them. The odds that you pick only those 6 balls are 1 in 15,890,700... quite a comparable number.

[Edited on June 25, 2005 at 12:26 PM. Reason : hmmmm]

6/25/2005 12:25:30 PM

Quote :

"The odds of getting the same pocket pair 3 times in a row is 1 in 830,297. The odds of getting a particular pocket pair 3 times in a row is 1 in 10,793,861."

i realise there's probably a difference, but what is it??

6/25/2005 2:48:21 PM

In the first example, it's like if I were to say "I'm going to get the same pocket pair 3 times in a row." So let's say first hand I get JJ. Now I have to get 2 more consecutive hands of JJ. I calculated this by (1/17)(1/221)(1/221).

In the latter example, it's like if I were to say "I am going to get QQ 3 times in a row." So basically, in this case, I have specified the exact pocket pair I am going to get prior to the first hand being dealt, as opposed to the previous case in which I waited to get any pocket pair, then stipulated that I would get the same pocket pair the next 2 hands. I calculated this by (1/221)^3.

6/25/2005 3:56:52 PM