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6/1/2005 9:13:11 AM

Okay look

All this "they used the force on the platforms" talk is just speculation on your part because there was no evidence of it in the movie. Given the cheesy nature of Star Wars and its total disregard to explaining why things are the way they are, there's no basis to how the platforms moved other then the fact that they just did.

Furthermore, Obi Wan became quite dead when Vader cut him down. He may be a "force ghost" or whatever those things are called, but he no longer has a physical body. Obviously with his and Yoda's and Vaders and Palpatines death, the "2=2 Balance" theory fails because Luke is the sole remaning Jedi that we know of. Abandon this idea already.

6/1/2005 9:46:43 AM

I've never taken the balance of the Force to rely on the number of opposed Force users. I've always taken it as referring to the proportions of the light side and the dark side. I mean, I'm pretty sure Emperor Palpatine isn't a one-to-one comparison with some punk-ass padawan. More like for every Emperor Palpatine, you need a hundred punk-ass padawans.

Of course, on the real? I don't buy the Jedi myth of balance anyway. For every Jedi in the galaxy, there's probably two or three Force users operating outside of the Jedi tradition. How you gonna measure balance by you and the Sith alone when there are God knows how many Force witches on Dathomir who don't give a damn about your ideas of balance? Chew on that.

6/1/2005 9:51:21 AM

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"Outside of his actual death, I can't recall when Obi-Wan demonstrated a disregard for his own life. He's certainly been brash at times, like when he jumped down into a room full of droids to fight Grievous, but I think in most instances any "disregard" he showed was due to the fact that he had a duty as a Jedi and had faith in the Force."

I think that, if anything, Obi-Wan is just reckless (I think he and Yoda even mention this in Ep V).

Furthermore, although Anakin has probably more natural talent in the Force, Obi-Wan has more experience and discipline, plus he doesn't over-estimate his abilities like Anakin does (a tragic flaw).

6/1/2005 10:27:56 AM

General Grievous--

Does anyone know anything about his origin? Did he make a cameo in the previous two movies or is this his first appearance?

6/1/2005 10:40:00 AM

He first appeared in the Clone Wars shorts originally aired on Cartoon Network.

6/1/2005 10:40:56 AM

and he was way more of a badass

6/1/2005 11:18:56 AM

I swear right as he pulled out all those lightsabers, I heard the Transformers sound

6/1/2005 11:38:25 AM

When he whipped out the lightsabers, did anyone notice that they recoiled when activated?

they're supposed to be massless.

6/1/2005 12:22:19 PM

They are massless, but the force of the ignition is what caused the recoil. Some lightsabers do it, some don't. It's all in how the crystals are arranged to focus the beam and how the power cell puts out the power. Some sabers extend slowly, some explode out, etc.

6/1/2005 12:25:18 PM

Yeah, dumbass.

6/1/2005 12:26:54 PM

the game is pretty cool.

6/1/2005 12:28:37 PM

So a light saber runs off of batteries? How long can you leave a saber on before it dies, then? It'd kinda suck to lose your light saber in the middle of a fight.

And then of course, considering light sabers can cut through just about any material and melt pretty much any metal, it must take a shitload of energy to maintain the blade. What the hell sort of battery can store that much energy?

6/1/2005 12:38:18 PM

I thought it was some sort of crystal energy source which also focused the beam...?

6/1/2005 12:44:25 PM

it depends on the saber design.

Even tho its considered EU, luke used a power pack from a standard Blaster Rifle to recharge is saber in "Splinter of the Minds Eye" or whatever it was called.

6/1/2005 12:48:03 PM

^ Worst Star Wars book ever, and I read most of them back in the day.

6/1/2005 12:51:03 PM

A lightsaber blade doesn't expend that much energy at all at rest. They barely heat the air. When they come into contact with stuff, they'll cut through it, sure. You've got to remember that the published power scales in Star Wars are RIDICULOUS. Droid batteries lasting centuries! Starship cannons destroying cities!

6/1/2005 12:56:35 PM

^ that's a good point

6/1/2005 12:57:27 PM

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"Starship cannons destroying cities!"

Big lasers destroying planets!

6/1/2005 1:12:46 PM

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"You've got to remember that the published power scales in Star Wars are RIDICULOUS. Droid batteries lasting centuries! Starship cannons destroying cities!"

This is true.

FroshKiller pwns once again.

6/1/2005 1:16:42 PM

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"All this "they used the force on the platforms" talk is just speculation on your part because there was no evidence of it in the movie. Given the cheesy nature of Star Wars and its total disregard to explaining why things are the way they are, there's no basis to how the platforms moved other then the fact that they just did."

so anakin's platform (which was way behind obi wan's) just so happened to go to obi wan's platform by itself?

and then it just so happened to stay with obi wan's?

so did the flow of the lava increase for anakin and then slow down to match the flow where obi wan was?


it's simple and makes complete sense that they were using the force to move their platforms. there's an entire scene devoted to showing that anakin is moving his platform.

if they aren't using the force how did they avoid the larger droids working in the lava?

6/1/2005 1:18:52 PM

i still think its like a space-age segway

that thing runs purely off your balance

6/1/2005 1:28:03 PM

I thought the droids and aliens working in the lava was hilarious. I mean seriously, they were picking up about a gallon of lava at a time with those buckets. WTF are they gonna do with a little bit of lava???

Now had they been the same size as the molten metal containers in episode 2 that would make sense. So basically they are there so that anakin and odiwan can land on them. And it didnt even make the scene better. Though it did set up a way that anakin can get both legs cut off other hand cut off and catch on fire all at once.

6/1/2005 1:32:29 PM

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"i still think its like a space-age segway"

they were 2 different platforms

one was like a 4ft by 4ft square pice of debris

anakin's was a freakin lava droid thing

6/1/2005 2:23:12 PM

oh yeah
i forgot one of them was a sentient worker droid

my bad

ha, i even remember thinking it looked like the things from "Batteries Not Included"

6/1/2005 2:55:46 PM

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"You've got to remember that the published power scales in Star Wars are RIDICULOUS. Droid batteries lasting centuries! Starship cannons destroying cities!"

Which is why the Star Wars v. Star Trek argument is so clear cut.

We win because Lucas doesn't care about science.

6/1/2005 4:38:12 PM

Star Wars looks like rigid science compared to Star Trek. Saying a device has incredible power output isn't necessarily bad science. Saying there is a mirror world filled with bad versions of people probably is.

6/1/2005 4:42:45 PM

yea as sad as it is to me star wars seems more scientific than star trek haha

6/1/2005 4:52:04 PM

Fair enough, then.

6/1/2005 4:55:31 PM

but then again its like deciding whether an apple or an orange is more like a turkey

6/1/2005 4:56:19 PM

...

Possible but complicated and ultimately beyond you?

6/1/2005 4:58:38 PM

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"Saying a device has incredible power output isn't necessarily bad science. Saying there is a mirror world filled with bad versions of people probably is."

BUT THE MUSTACHES

6/1/2005 5:02:17 PM

Trek stuff is more goofy mainly 'coz it's a show.

If this Star Wars TV thing goes through I'm sure there will be some really bad episodes.

6/1/2005 5:47:10 PM

No need to start the Star Trek vs Star Wars shit again.

6/1/2005 7:17:00 PM

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"one was like a 4ft by 4ft square pice of debris"

That was a shielded, hovering platform. It's the same thing the lava scoopers were riding on.


So. No one else was disappointed by the lack of force-flung lava?

6/1/2005 7:29:09 PM

^ i think they avoided force flung lava because then it would just become a splash fight, with one person trying to block the lava while flinging it at the same time. that would be pretty lame, and it wouldn't look as cool as two people twirling light sabers around really fast.

6/1/2005 7:34:22 PM

Lava flinging never even crossed my mind, actually.

Okay, so I figure that Vader needed the suit because all his skin was burned away, which would've left his body open to rampant infection, and so I guess the suit basically sealed him away from the outside world. But why did he need the respirator? He didn't seem to be having trouble breathing.

6/1/2005 7:37:53 PM

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"A lightsaber blade doesn't expend that much energy at all at rest"

and thats why you look to ask english majors when you want a science question answered.

last i checked it was never explained exactly how a light saber works

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6/1/2005 7:41:03 PM

In KOTOR it involves putting crystals together. I'm not sure how that produces a laser sword, but whatever.

6/1/2005 8:15:22 PM

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"Okay, so I figure that Vader needed the suit because all his skin was burned away, which would've left his body open to rampant infection, and so I guess the suit basically sealed him away from the outside world. But why did he need the respirator? He didn't seem to be having trouble breathing."

If you listen closely, you can hear him gasping for breath on Mustafar. Then he's given a respirator when he's put in the medical capsule (although he apparently has no problem screaming on the table when being operated on).

6/1/2005 8:24:44 PM

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"and thats why you look to ask english majors when you want a science question answered. "

more like

THATS WHY YOU NEVER DOUBT FROSH FUCKING KILLER

i mean, the guy don't post unless he knows the shit he's typing

6/1/2005 8:30:21 PM

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"Once unleashed, the power channels through a positively charged continuous energy lens at the center of the handle. The beam then arcs circumferentially back to a negatively charged high energy flux aperture. A superconductor transfers the power from the flux aperture to the power cell. As a result, a lightsaber only expends power when its blade cuts through something. So efficient is the blade, that it does not radiate heat unless it comes into contact with something."

That's coming straight from the Star Wars.com Databank. It doesn't get much more canonical than that.

Yeah, okay. Don't ask an English grad science questions if that's how it's gotta be, but don't motherfuckin' question an English grad regarding a story detail pertinent to the discussion of a work of fiction.

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6/1/2005 9:17:59 PM

This is what separates Star Wars from Star Trek.

It's not there to explain why the lightsaber or the transporter or warp drive or whatever works. It's all merely a vehicle to get on with the story.

6/1/2005 9:19:32 PM

Exactly! Lightsabers could just as easily be broadswords, and starships could just as easily be longboats.

6/1/2005 9:20:39 PM

god forbid you tell people star wars is not science fiction

6/1/2005 9:57:23 PM

I think that freedom Star Wars has with technology is what makes it so interesting. Who cares that Star Destroyer's are techinically impractical, they look fucking cool.

6/1/2005 10:28:51 PM

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"Who cares that Star Destroyer's are techinically impractical, they look fucking cool."

God damn amen.

6/1/2005 10:39:38 PM

can i just say this again:

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"more like THATS WHY YOU NEVER DOUBT FROSH FUCKING KILLER i mean, the guy don't post unless he knows the shit he's typing"

6/1/2005 10:42:27 PM

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"Who cares that Star Destroyers are techinically impractical, they look fucking cool."

Another amen. I don't care nearly so much about the scientific/technical aspect of it so much as I do the "this single warship can lay siege to your entire PLANET" aspect. Star Destroyers = fear and control.

Oh yeah, and I laughed like a schoolgirl when I saw that HUGE blue laser bolt shoot out from the belly of the Star Destroyer and bisect that Trade Federation ship at the beginning of ROTS. Now that's what I'm fuckin' talkin' about.

6/1/2005 10:56:43 PM

I just watched "A New Hope". Man, the Vader vs Kenobi fight in episode 4 looks like shit compared to 3. Their feet never even left the ground. I'd take a lava fight any day.

6/1/2005 11:50:26 PM