Quote :

"see I still won't use the SVD just because of accuracy - I actually pick up an assault rifle or the medic gun first.. because in a sniper rifle I want that one shot to the head guaranteed kill if I am within even the slightest visible range... if I put that fucking cursor on your head and fire more than twice and you are not dead - I am pissed off.. ..and the SVD seems to piss me off more than most"

Amen to that. I hate the SVD. In my experience, it has proven to be woefully inaccurate. I suppose now that I have access to everything, I'll give it another chance as well just to see which I have the greatest success with.

Quote :

"I love the unlocked medic rifle. It is perfect for medium range."

Absolutely. The SA-80 is bar none my favorite unlockable weapon. I have had some unbelievably long range kills with it. It doesn't seem to have the same stopping power as the M16, but I still enjoy it more.

10/13/2005 3:38:15 PM

Ditto on the SA-80. I can't wait to unlock it.

10/13/2005 6:44:52 PM

play on dontcamp.com

69.44.157.113

all weapons unlocked

[Edited on October 13, 2005 at 6:53 PM. Reason : .]

10/13/2005 6:53:03 PM

That's no fun, but I'll try it out tonight.

10/13/2005 6:56:31 PM

about to own the shitty helo pilots with my tv guided skills

10/13/2005 10:05:43 PM

Who else thinks we need an anti-air kit?

10/13/2005 10:31:06 PM

NO

10/13/2005 10:42:48 PM

^^ NO

I'll get to play tomorrow

10/13/2005 10:44:29 PM

Hahah

10/13/2005 10:49:52 PM

On a 64 player server I'm constantly dodging ground AA as it is.

10/13/2005 10:56:42 PM

There was an SA-80 anti-air kit in BFV. It was great to get like 3 or 4 guys on a hilltop near an ammo crate with those things. You could take out any helicopter around.

They did a good job with balance though because the only other weapon you had was a pistol and you could only carry 3 rockets at a time.


That being said, if EA adds an anti-air kit to BF2, I'll uninstall the game.

10/13/2005 10:57:15 PM

Y'know, something which I've observed is that the AAA turrets on the aircraft carrier are almost completely emasculated. It's difficult for me to believe that they have such an exceptionally short range, and yet in a straight gunfighting duel, they will lose to an incoming plane almost EVERY time. I've traded direct hits with a J-10 on more occasions than I can count on Wake Island, and while I land the first hits and keep a constant stream of fire on the plane, it can STILL outgun the turret. That makes no sense to me at all. The stern turret is the #1 target any fighter pilot is going to go after when attacking the carrier, and yet it goes down with so little effort that it's almost completely ineffective. And the bow turret has almost no cone of fire to help cover any approaches, so no one ever uses it. I definitely feel like this should be addressed somehow, and this is coming from a dedicated fighter pilot.

10/13/2005 10:57:43 PM

^I think that is mainly because the programmers didn't want to go into so much detail. In actuality, about 2 seconds of being hit from that gattling gun would at least cause enough damage so that the plane wouldn't be able to shoot back. That is if the gun didn't shred it to pieces first.


After just completing a nice long 40 minute round I have come to 2 conclusions:

1. A single USMC medic, with the right vehicles and at least one competent squad member can completely pwn the entire People's Liberation Army.

2. Attack choppers rule once you get used to flying them.

10/13/2005 11:02:59 PM

dude the SVD and chinese sniper rifle are ridiculously superior. Just wait about 1 or 2 seconds before firing after you stop moving. It's dead accurate, you get the X when you hit and NO zooming out, so you can stay with your target. With the bolt-actions, the enemy has a chance to stand up and run for cover, despite the higher damage. You'll get more kill assists with a bolt action, but more KILLS with an SVD.

10/13/2005 11:12:58 PM

i have been using the g3 assault kit a lot
and i love it
if you know how to use it
i can take out just about anyone on a one on one encounter if you are quick about dropping to the ground and putting 3-4 bullets in them and they are dead!
ive gotten my first bronze star with it getting a score of 74 to get the bronze (it was a fairly large map with a bunch of ppl)
and im getting pretty good at it
the only thing i have yet to work on is any air vehicles
i dont have a joystick or anything so its gonna be hard.
but yea
also i love getting the anti tank if the vehicles start to really piss me off ill blow them to hell and the auto shotgun for the anti tank is amazing! dao-4 or whatever it is

[Edited on October 13, 2005 at 11:25 PM. Reason : ]

10/13/2005 11:25:00 PM

the dao-12 is fucking ridiculous, I switched my main class from medic to A/T.


the DAO-12 is also the same as the Striker from resident evil 4



[Edited on October 14, 2005 at 12:16 AM. Reason : best gun ever]

10/14/2005 12:12:41 AM

was playing on this SAF clan server today.. and saw this one guy.. Wrist.. constantly doing this kind of.. drop to the ground, and jump back up again at the same time thing. so it looked like he was laying down while jumping up and down in the air, all the while instantly getting a shot on you with his 50cal. shit like that makes me not even want to play this game anymore...

10/14/2005 1:33:51 AM

dao is nice... just jump around and shoot ... but really that bunny hoppping shit is stupid ... games are suppose to be realistic i though, i doubt many soldiers have 3 ft verticals

10/14/2005 1:36:01 AM

I'm just waiting for the Desert Conflict mod and some of the WW2 mods from BF1942 (Forgotten Hope, BattleGroup 42) to be ported over and I doubt I will play regular BF2 again.

I have actually found myself playing BF1942 quite frequently as of late.

10/14/2005 1:36:32 AM

Quote :

"was playing on this SAF clan server today.. and saw this one guy.. Wrist.. constantly doing this kind of.. drop to the ground, and jump back up again at the same time thing. so it looked like he was laying down while jumping up and down in the air, all the while instantly getting a shot on you with his 50cal. shit like that makes me not even want to play this game anymore..."

Yeah, I've seen that, and it's incredibly lame. I don't know what motivates these people to be such assholes.

10/14/2005 6:22:58 AM

Hey found a good stats site finally

http://bf2s.com/

10/14/2005 10:42:58 AM

ops, that was posted on like page 10 of this thread

10/14/2005 11:04:10 AM

haha well I never saw it

Looks like they updated the site to include stuff post patch, like how many points to the new ranks. Gunnery SGT is now 8000 pts whereas Cpl used to be 10500. What a crazy change.

10/14/2005 11:49:23 AM

Quote :

"1. A single USMC medic, with the right vehicles and at least one competent squad member can completely pwn the entire People's Liberation Army. 2. Attack choppers rule once you get used to flying them."

yepo

they do need to balloon out the ranks some though i think... something like Sergeant at 10k or so and staff sgt at 22k gunny at 35-38k just to allow guys to get some unlocks and not have everyone almost the same rank

10/14/2005 12:20:55 PM

Kill streak of 46. I do so love the fighter bombers.

10/14/2005 7:02:44 PM

Oh screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew you and your plane.

This is why we need AA kits. I just logged off after being killed three times in a row by a diveboming Su.


How is killing 46 players in a row using the -exact same method- any fun?



[Edited on October 14, 2005 at 8:01 PM. Reason : .]

10/14/2005 7:58:25 PM

my best kill streak is 51 or 54, with the F15 on clean sweep.


I personally prefer the fighters, two bombs is much more sporting than 5.
also you're faster

10/14/2005 8:22:53 PM

Quote :

"How is killing 46 players in a row using the -exact same method- any fun?"

I did 44 on foot in a normal 32man server (just to clarify since lots of ppl seem to play weird shit)

I probably won't beat that either unless I play a long timer map with huge numbers of tickets over and over or just go bombing on the right map like some of you pilot nuts do

seriously - the best anti-air is to get a jet up for your own team with a decent pilot inside.. do that and you will keep the jets out of the equation for much of the ground fighting

10/14/2005 10:44:28 PM

Quote :

"seriously - the best anti-air is to get a jet up for your own team with a decent pilot inside.. do that and you will keep the jets out of the equation for much of the ground fighting "

YES

goddamn how many times have I said this!?!?!?

This is why, if you're on a team that has a cappable Airfield, you defend that shit until the last fucking man.

If the other team's airfield is cappable, thats the first thing the ground pounders need to take.

man my skills are going to be so rusty after my three week vacation.

10/15/2005 11:22:29 AM

The secret to getting planes is to shoot them with the guns, with bombs selected. I got right on this F15, like seriously about an arms reach behind it, and just let loose into his engines. Never saw it coming.

10/15/2005 12:30:48 PM

when shooting down planes, I don't use the missiles until I can smell what the guy ate for breakfast.

then I switch, unload two in the tailpipes without lock and go kill some pathetic groundpounder.

10/15/2005 12:52:18 PM

hmm unlocked, good thinking
I'm gonna try that later

10/15/2005 1:13:29 PM

it still goes towards the nearest heat sig.

not as well as when locked though. Beware, if playing against admins on a server, this WILL get you acused of hacking and probably kicked and banned.

Its happened to me on at least 5 separate occasions.

10/16/2005 12:07:18 AM

they just need SAM emplacements.... like the carrier ones but far more powerful like they should be

10/16/2005 2:12:13 AM

no they fucking don't

I'm sick and tired of people complaining that its too hard to shoot down airplanes.

Its not.

And its not the ground pounders job to do it either. Its the other pilots' job.

10/16/2005 10:05:13 AM

They really, really do need alternative means of downing planes.

Right now the only effective way is to out-dog fight them.

That means that if no one on the team is capable of doing so, the ace gets to bomb with impunity.

And I'm really tired of seeing fighter pilots consistently scoring more kills than the silver and bronze star players combined.

The people against new AA stuff are also the ones who brag about getting 40+ killing streaks. Do you really think that's fair? How is it even fun?

10/16/2005 12:28:22 PM

I'm sick and fucking tired of pilots thinking the only thing that should take them down is another jet. How many of the jets that were shot down or damaged in the last two gulf wars, bosnia, etc, were shot by other jets? What took out the F-117? NOT OTHER FUCKING JETS.

There shouldn't be a selectable kit, but there should be Stinger, GLA, etc kits that can be picked up by a few people...you know, like DC used to do. Fuck all you pilots who just strafe the fixed locations of the AA before you go rape somewhere else. If you're sooooo fucking good, you can dodge a shoulder launched missile too.

10/16/2005 1:31:00 PM

Or, make it so that the reload time on bombs is long enough so as to necessitate the pilot actually landing and waiting for a few minutes. As it stands the pilot essentially has a mini artillary strike every minute.

Or, make current SAMs much more capable, in that they hold locks even when the pilot flies beyond the max clipping plane. Also make it one missle = death like in real life.

[Edited on October 16, 2005 at 2:23 PM. Reason : .]

10/16/2005 2:20:26 PM

you know whats really gay

is that your whining will make EA change it, but we'll adapt and still be just as good.

I'm just as good if not a little less effective in BF2 than I was in DC with the jets. I don't strafe the AA emplacements until you start locking on to me. As far as I'm concerned, you're free game as soon as my lock indicator goes off.

What you want is a free shot at us without chance of retribution from the plane.

And it doesn't take another ace in the air to divert my attention. Just someone thats good at avoiding fire, which isn't that hard.

But continue to whine. I'm sure that EA will bend to your will like they do with all the whining lobbists and either nerf the jets or make some uber AA. Here's a novel idea, why don't you try shooting us down with your tank missile? I've seen it done.

And this game isn't supposed to model real-world warfare statistics. The planes are fine as they are now. It actually takes quite a bit of practice to get good at them.

10/16/2005 2:24:27 PM

waaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa waa waa waaaa


WwaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAA

if you want to make it one shot one kill or make it more "true to life" then give the jets the real guns that they really have and not the peashooters that they got. I mean I got to hit someone in the head to kill them as it is with a jet.

Give me the Mi-17 gun with three times the ROF.

Then we can call it even.


[Edited on October 16, 2005 at 2:30 PM. Reason : .]

10/16/2005 2:25:20 PM

Yeah, and let's also give you only about 10 seconds of fire time like with the real gun,

and a half hour reload time, like with the real gun.

[Edited on October 16, 2005 at 2:34 PM. Reason : /]

10/16/2005 2:33:54 PM

wtf are you smoking?

If the plane was an A10, then sure.

But I'm just talking 20mm cannon here on the fighters.

I don't want to hear you fuckers bitching when you can just sit by a goddamned autocrate and just launch M203s into outer space as if you're in an episode of star trek with scotty beaming you ammo.

10/16/2005 2:45:10 PM

I'm not arguing for absolute realism here.

I want balance. I figure we might as well make the balancing realistic while we were at it. My suggestions do that.

Do you honestly think the current situation is fair?



Plus, I've never, ever seen even a helo downed by a 203, let alone a fighter

[Edited on October 16, 2005 at 3:00 PM. Reason : .]

10/16/2005 2:58:04 PM

not a 203, your SRAW or whatever it is.

I think the situation is completely fair.

I think good pilots are able to stay alive while helping their teams.

I think shitty "casual" pilots get blown out of the sky quickly.

I think that there are hardly times when I'm not being harassed by a lock indicator regardless of whether or not theres an enemy plane in the sky. The only difference is that I can evade the ground AA easier than I can fire from another plane... which BRINGS US BACK TO THE BEST WAY TO EFFECTIVELY ELIMINATE A PLANE FROM PARTICIPATION IS WITH ANOTHER PILOT.

I think that ground AA was merely meant for helicopter defense, and for fighter deterrence nothing more. If it was supposed to shoot down jets with impunity, there would be no reason to use jets.

also, if you haven't seen a helo get downed by a 203 then you need to play more

specifically sharqi penninsula.

[Edited on October 16, 2005 at 4:13 PM. Reason : .]

10/16/2005 4:11:53 PM

I think that I should not die. Everyone elses weapons are better than mine. I need to email EA and complain that they need to make what I do easier for me and harder for everyone else so I dont completely suckass.

10/16/2005 5:46:48 PM

Touch my DAO and I'll kill you.

10/16/2005 5:50:08 PM

FYI, a vulcan cannon fires at ~6000 RPM...a fighter typically has 500 or 950 rounds, depending on what version of the gun it is. I think we can all do the math, but that's less than 10 seconds of firing time. I know when we would use the 20mm CIWS on the ship to take out a missile, it would fire for about half a second to destroy the target.

I'm not complaining, because I really just laugh at the fighters most of the time. If they kill me, they kill me - whatever. If someone gets their rocks off by flying in circles and bombing all the time, so be it. But don't sit here telling us we shouldn't be able to take out jets because it's not realistic when the jet reload and ammo capacity is anything but realistic.

They really need to allow missiles to maintain lock after they are fired from a linebacker...while you get a lock with your unit, these are self guided missiles...you shouldn't have to keep lock on after the missile is fired in order to hit the plane. That small adjustment would really be the only thing I care about.

But then again, I've taken out my fair share of jets with an eryx and never spend much time in the AA anyway. I'm too busy doing thangs that get more done anyway - taking/defending flags, reviving people who get bombed, etc.

[Edited on October 16, 2005 at 6:53 PM. Reason : .]

10/16/2005 6:52:07 PM

Well, let me play devil's advocate for a bit here. While I do indeed love air-to-ground combat more than anything else in this game, I think that in a way the fighters-vs.-fighters argument doesn't seem to fit the paper-rock-scissors scenario. The only thing I would do to change the current way things play out is that I'd have one mobile AA vehicle for each faction on every map. In my opinion, they are too few and far between.

I did not know that BFV had a man-portable Stinger kit. I kinda like that you get only the missiles and a handgun.

10/16/2005 7:05:23 PM

i think its obvious that something needs to be done, when people like this guy Maugan get 60 kills straight while flying around in circles bombing everything they see.

sometimes i wonder if they meant to buy MS Flight Simulator instead of BF2

10/16/2005 7:31:11 PM

The only time I have ever found it "unfair" is if your airstrip is captured so that you don't have any planes to launch against them. But that isn't really unfair, it is more strategy. If you see a bomber pilot pissing you off, jump in a plane and shoot him down. He won't be lining up for bombing runs if the missile lock beeper is going off, he will be trying to evade the fighter (which is very difficult when you are in a slower, less maneuverable bomber). All it takes is for a fighter to take down the same bomber pilot a few times in a row and the bomber will get the idea that he needs to try something new.

10/16/2005 7:57:04 PM