i could see the potential for many people trying to reach those bases, causing chaos while they are trying to get in without the zombies coming in with them.

i'd rather hole up somewhere relatively few people know about, so i have more supplies for my crew.

11/15/2007 2:56:26 PM

how is this thread 30 pages?

[Edited on November 15, 2007 at 2:56 PM. Reason : .]

11/15/2007 2:56:31 PM

http://www.thepowerhour.com/news/items_disappearfirst.htm

1/6/2008 7:50:18 AM

grab my guns go meet pwerstrkedf250 w/ his guns get on the boat and start sniper school

1/6/2008 9:45:43 AM

This is in the tool box next to my bed:

Stanley Fat Max Hammer



What I want:

28 inch Titanium Pry Bar



Machete Cutlass from Ka Bar
[image]http://http://www.ebladestore.com/uploads/ka_1248.jpg[/image]


Sidearm:

Serbu Firearms Super Shorty
modified Mossberg 500, 3 rounds max 12 gauge shotgun, 16.5" overall length


and/or

Glock 22 w/ light and laser

and a Gemtech Blackside Suppressor Package



Mid-range carbine:

Ruger 10/22 Magnum modified for portability
ex:

1/6/2008 10:20:56 AM

If any of you are planning a survival kit, I'd suggest you keep some wipes or something.

Cause after like a day, my vag is gonna start smelling. And it's worse than zombies.

1/6/2008 11:02:02 AM

bait

1/6/2008 11:02:54 AM

yeah if your smelly cooz attracts the undead I'm just going to shoot you

how's that for a wipe?

1/6/2008 11:11:33 AM

I'm desperately trying to think of something valuable I could add that would make better off alive.

But I got nothing.

I think me and my vag are gonna have to fly solo.

As usual.

1/6/2008 11:36:06 AM

Maybe if you weren't so much of a cunt, your vag wouldn't smell.

1/6/2008 11:42:07 AM

better bite your tongue

[Edited on January 6, 2008 at 11:56 AM. Reason : e]

1/6/2008 11:56:04 AM

^^Did I fuck your mother or something?

1/6/2008 12:00:39 PM

Dear snewf... that 10/22 wouldn't be what you want to use on the un-dead....

it won't drop shit immediately ..i know cause i have one... its my varmint gun (pretty much a weak ass sniper rifle) I've shot many a squirrel with it and they laughed at me till they bled out the exit wound but since zombies wouldn't bleed out i don't think it would do too well

everything i would have would be large caliber.

i'd carry my .50 s&w mag, a shot gun and try to steal a .50 bmg from a gun store somewhere... or team up with someone who does have one ... or a .60 or .70 NE

1/6/2008 1:22:15 PM

I'm hoping that the .22 magnums will penetrate skulls at a mid to semi-close range
I chose it because the ammo is small (which lets me carry more) and readily available

do you think it won't penetrate the skull at 20 feet?
it doesn't need to exit... just skip along the inside of the skull and puree shit

1/6/2008 1:24:27 PM

anyone else going to see Diary of the Dead? There's a sneak of it a the Carolina Theater tonight with a zombie costume contest.

2/14/2008 11:55:41 AM

what? more info please^

[Edited on February 14, 2008 at 12:04 PM. Reason : ]

2/14/2008 12:04:30 PM

wat?

2/14/2008 12:06:34 PM

22 mag is no good it gets dirtier than a thai hooker after a few dozen through

2/14/2008 12:28:53 PM

it's at the carolina theater tonight at 7:30pm, costume contest at 7pm.

If you dress like a zombie they have to let you in right? But i know passes are available at the comic shop in Chapel Hill and I think at the theater. Just dress up, how can anyone turn you away then.

Afterwards there is a zombie dance party at Bull McCabe's -- a bar around the corner from the Carolina. It's free and open to anyone.

Also, just a rumor right now, but I hear the grand prize for the zombie costume contest is something signed, by someone awesome in the world of zombies, but that's just a rumor right now as I haven't seen anything yet.

2/14/2008 12:30:23 PM

Dear Diary,

EERRRRAAAGGGGHGHGHBRAINS

XOXO,
Zombie Ed

2/14/2008 12:32:54 PM

Silly rabbits. A shotgun is far from an ideal zombie killing weapon. If you're close enough for a shotgun to be effective, you're too close. Shotgun can be good and getting out of a tight situation, but at the ranges that you can reliably but shot gun ammo through the skull of a zombie that it trying to eat you, the spread isn't much wider than a pistol or rifle. Remember, you must hit the head. A zombie with a shotgun blast to the chest is just a pissed off zombie. Shot placement counts when it come to zombies, even with a shotgun at close range. And at close range, you're going to be fighting off panic because the zombies will be very close and you won't have any margin for error.

Everyone should be considering a small carbine type weapon or a small assault rifle; something like an M4 or a Sig556. Both are chambered in 5.56, are accurate and deadly at extended range, and are easily portable. You can carry a hell of a lot more 5.56 ammo than you can 12 gauge ammo. Zombies are best dealt with at range. The further you are from the zombies, the calmer you'll be and the better your marksmanship will be. Thus, you're going to want something that can reliability put zombies down without weighing you down. An M4 or a Sig556 will be effective in almost all zombie engagements at almost all ranges.

2/14/2008 12:39:00 PM

I see your point, but shouldn't you be only shooting zombies when they are attacking you, thus within shotgun range? If you start shooting zombies at a distance, they will be alerted to you and then you are in more trouble than if you had let them pass.

Obviously, you need a wide range of weapons. I don't really play into the "what if you could only choose one gun" because chances are, you would have the option to take many if you could. I doubt that a zombie outbreak is going to leave lots of people at gun shops debating shotguns over riffles, you grab and go and hope you get their before me.

2/14/2008 12:43:29 PM

Quote :

"you grab and go and hope you get their before me."

word

2/14/2008 12:46:06 PM

Yeah but the best defense against zombies is running away from them and carrying multiple guns is gonna weigh you down too much. Another thing is that whatever gun you do get... you need to make sure that ammo is readily available for it. I agree that a shotgun is far from perfect as a zombie defense weapon, but you can probably find shotgun shells at just about any Wal-Mart. I'm not much of a gun expert so correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't get assault rifle ammo unless it is at a gun shop.

(PS - You don't have to reload blades)

2/14/2008 2:27:54 PM

Weapons are one thing, but you never have to use them if you're in the right fortress. Getting out of town and into a good stronghold away from the zombie masses is probably best. A wide open farm would work pretty well and you could bet not many "scavenger" gangs are going to be stopping by like they would at a Costco or Sams. Fighting off zombies is one thing, but desperate people is another all together.

Ultimately, I think it's about waiting it out, letting them starve. This could take months, or close to a year. After that you would have to reevaluate your situation, but that should probably be your first thoughts. Taking things as they come and making sure you can stay put in one good spot for at least 6 months should be priority.

2/14/2008 4:56:35 PM

It depends on the zombies though... if they are capable of moaning or something, then if even one sees you it will make noise which will bring about the attention of other zombies. And if you are holed up in a farmhouse, it's only a matter of time before they break in or you run out of water.

2/14/2008 5:09:56 PM

Without a doubt, I would hold up at



THE WINCHESTER!

2/14/2008 5:15:41 PM

^ YES!!!

2/15/2008 10:05:49 PM

Queen

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22oz Pool Cue

2/15/2008 10:06:55 PM

i came into possession of the zombie survival guide, some great stuff in there. if it was earlier i'd comment on some stuff for this page but its bed time

3/10/2008 1:43:02 AM

Really, there are a lot of variables that make this hard.

Guns (ammo):
.50? Most places I've been only carry a few boxes of this due to the fact that they may only sell a few boxes a week. .22 and 9mm? Loads of it to keep up with demand.
In an ideal situation, I'd like multiple caliber weapons (4 that I can think of right off the bat). Increasing my chances that if I run across some random store (not/slightly looted) it will have some ammo that I can use. Even better (less weight), firearms capable of swapping out barrels (such as the Sig Sauer P250) to reduce weight.

Food:
Those MREs you're carrying are going to go fast.
Storing enough food in your basement? Going to need a really large basement.
What's your next option? Searching? Really increases your chances of running into zombies. But, may be necessary.

Housing:
Farmhouse: nice and secluded (please have a water pump). Not going to have many zombies run across you either. Scavengers? Possibly. But, you'd still want enough people to guard 24/7... which would require a lot of food/water. Possibly too much for that farmhouse to handle.
Fortress: Nice as well. Have guards. Food. Water. Hell, that's why the human race started congregating. Makes things easier for everyone. Have a skill other than fighting? Great, we needed that blacksmith/cook/engineer. You will need to deal with lots of people though and if it broke down, you're probably not going to have the supplies you would have at the outbreak of the zombies.
As supplies run down though, scavenger parties will have to travel farther and farther to get enough supplies to support everyone. And yes, a nice fortified position is good, but worthless without food/water. Would be why castles were built near/on sources of water. And the king/soldiers protected the lands around them (fields of grain).



Probably the most preferable thing (in my opinion), somewhere deep in a forest where I'm probably only going to run in to a zombie park ranger. Be able to live off the land (food? hunting and fishing. water? water collection and there's a stream a half mile north).
In a fortress situation, it would be not just to have the fortress, but the surrounding lands protected as well so that we could produce our own food instead of constantly searching for new supplies.

Ideal fortress? Prison. Some are built in the middle of nowhere. Can expand the walls later to allow farming. And definitely have guard towers.

[Edited on March 10, 2008 at 8:14 AM. Reason : prison]

3/10/2008 8:11:04 AM

So in conclusion, as we are fighting off all the zombies, the inmates get to live.

3/10/2008 8:16:41 AM

^^ A mountainous forest would be ideal, zombies would lack the coordination to walk up steep inclines and climb if necessary. You'd have to be careful not to be too far north though or else you'll have a hell of a time in the winter.

[Edited on March 10, 2008 at 9:02 AM. Reason : ]

3/10/2008 9:01:44 AM

FMG-9

+

TNT Tool

=

WIN

3/10/2008 9:07:56 AM

^^^^,^^ problem with those ideal locations is that you're not the only survivor who would have thought of those places. Other parties will head to those areas, and zombies will follow. Gangs of raiders will scour those places searching for developments to rape and pillage.

Ideally, the best place to survive through the holocaust would be a place in an isolated area of the world that is incredibly inhosbitable, like a swamp or rain forest/jungle, if I remember correctly.

3/10/2008 9:11:49 PM

Yet, I seem to recall that humans live in those types of environments naturally as well. Don't believe it would take that long for those "remote" environments to be infiltrated by zombies as well. Unless we're talking about middle of the fucking Amazon that you almost died to get to and will surely die just trying to get out.

And sometimes, it is good to have a community. No one person can do everything. And that was what I was pointing out. You have a pre-built fortress that you can add onto. Are there going to be issues with some people? Yes. There are always going to be.

And zombies following you to a prison, what's bad about that? Besides laying in a cot listening to them groaning when you're trying to sleep at night.



Maybe you feel uneasy about being with a couple hundred other people in one place. I understand that. But, I would feel a little more comfortable knowing that I had 20 guys protecting me during the day shift and I would change out for the night shift. A lot more comfortable than putting all my faith in one guy not falling asleep. And definitely more comfortable than sleeping in a tree.

In the end, no one place is ever going to be absolutely perfect.

(sidenote: How would you get to these isolated places after the zombies invade? Supposing major transportation avenues being shutdown. Carrying enough fuel for the entire trip?)

3/10/2008 11:33:10 PM

^ best way to get out there is to go before everything goes to shit/when avenues of transportation still exist. but back up plans are always good.

3/10/2008 11:36:55 PM

Of course you wouldn't go it alone, that's suicide. You would need a good group of people that had a knowledgeable leader in order to survive the zombie world.

Quote :

"Yet, I seem to recall that humans live in those types of environments naturally as well. Don't believe it would take that long for those "remote" environments to be infiltrated by zombies as well."

Yes, you'll likely run into some zombies in a remote location. However, the frequency of these attacks would be much less, since you are far away from large population zones (ie zombie zones) and would get hit by strays. You would have to take out the zombies that did find you though, since their moans could attract more zombies, and they would moan, etc. The point of living in isolation is that you will see less zombies and pillagers. A basic fortress can hold off many zombies, but raiders will bring down your walls with fire and whatever weapons they have, take your women and food, and move on, leaving you high and dry in the face of any zombie that might come through. They will be scouring in areas that they expect to find people, so an isolated area will not be high on their hitlist.

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"And zombies following you to a prison, what's bad about that? Besides laying in a cot listening to them groaning when you're trying to sleep at night."

Groaning when you go to sleep and in your dreams. When you wake up. While you work around the fortress during the day. While killing all the zombies you can during your shift. When you're eating. When you're trying to go to sleep, a non stop groaning of a mob that continues to grow day by day as hundreds of moans carry through the air for miles, attracting even more zombies that will travel all day and all night to irritate you. That would start to get on your nerves and drive you insane.

If you can maintain a community of a couple hundred people who are constantly being oppressed, then that's great, as food supplies or morale dwindles and they begin to turn on each other over petty stuff. [In the World War Z book there is a community of people who are camped out in Canada during winter and their society breaks down, with families not being able to trust others and the main character's father trading a radio for a stew of human flesh.]

^is right, supposedly you remain vigilant in everyday life and pay attention for signs of the zombie apocalypse. When you start seeing the signs you start preparing to leave, checking the campsite, etc, until you know its time to go, and you go as early as possible. Ideally, you find a place that you can get to without having to fly into another country. However, you maintain backup plans and locations B,C,D, and E with preplanned routes to get to these areas.

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3/10/2008 11:56:40 PM

Quote :

"problem with those ideal locations is that you're not the only survivor who would have thought of those places."

Never going to find a place no one has thought of before. Always will have the possibility of scavengers. I was thinking of it though that if you decide to bring someone into the prison, they're less likely to back-stab you than in a small group when they are watched less.

Heading West to the Rockies or such, I meant building your own location. Yes, you may have scavengers who run across you, but, less likely than if you were on a main road (figuring they will stick to major roads/towns/cities to maximize finding supplies).

Quote :

"but raiders will bring down your walls with fire and whatever weapons they have, take your women and food, and move on, leaving you high and dry in the face of any zombie that might come through."

Hopefully, they'd have killed me during the siege.

I was also thinking of this whole thing in the sense that you may have minor plans for a zombie attack (some weapons/ammo, a general idea of where you'd go), but not everything. Unless this thread causes people to start getting plans/materials together now.

3/11/2008 7:34:20 AM

I for one can't wait for the zombies to get here.

3/11/2008 8:48:30 AM

i just put a down payment on an old titan-1 missile silo

3/11/2008 8:50:16 AM

In the zombie survival guide, it does stress living in an extremely harsh and inhospitable environment. Humans can adapt to a place like this, but obviously zombies couldn't. If you could find a means of transportation and a way of staying warm, upper Canada/Alaska would leave you pretty much safe from any zombies since they would literally freeze solid.

3/11/2008 9:45:25 AM

I don't buy into all of what the zombie survival guide says.


here's a question... what would happen if things got desperate, and you had to eat the flesh of a zombie... would that have the same effect as being bitten by one of the zombies?

3/11/2008 10:27:04 AM

I'm pretty sure it would. Just about any situation which results in zombie fluids getting into your bloodstream is going to infect you. And even if it didn't, a zombie's flesh is gonna be all rotten and nasty and will make you sick anyway.

3/11/2008 2:13:34 PM

^ Which is why I wonder why you should bother with melee weapons anyway, unless you can completely count on being covered head to toe so as not to be infected yourself. (i.e. 28 Days Later)

3/11/2008 2:17:48 PM

zombie posting on tww:

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3/11/2008 2:20:05 PM

Well you would only really need to cover your mouth and wear some kind of goggles over your eyes. Zombie blood can get all over your skin and hair, just as long as there aren't any open wounds on you. All you ADD people who bite the skin around your fingernails would probably need gloves. But melee weapons obviously would only be useful as a last resort or in closed quarters anyway.

3/11/2008 2:36:01 PM

Oh man... I would love to have a full-head gas mask and body armor. Granted, I just think it would look cool though.

3/11/2008 4:51:35 PM

all you need is some riot gear

3/11/2008 7:07:19 PM

Quote :

"i just put a down payment on an old titan-1 missile silo"

the one place that is immune to zombie attacks AND moaning.

3/11/2008 8:48:04 PM