"keep it civil"

that got nc state into a whole mess of silliness

9/25/2007 6:38:02 PM

HAY GUYZ LETS BRING JESUS INTO THIS

9/25/2007 6:39:03 PM

That hair is for real.

9/25/2007 6:40:00 PM

SNITCHES GET STITCHES

9/25/2007 6:53:49 PM

how can Bob Ley do this moderating with a straight face with all this ridiculousness in the background

9/25/2007 7:10:37 PM

They need to warn the crowd during the commercial break that if they can't "keep it civil" then they will be asked to leave. Kick some of those assholes out. It's getting ridiculous.

9/25/2007 7:15:28 PM

Wha' bout that Bellycheck white boy! He done bad stuff too!

He oughts to be ospended too!

9/25/2007 7:18:54 PM

i tuned it off at 6:38

it was just a circus

9/25/2007 7:19:28 PM

Dude, they asked the audience if dogfighting should be legal and it sounded the like the majority of them thought it should be legal.

9/25/2007 7:28:56 PM

look at who the majority of them are

they just booed when the guy said the people pretending he didnt commit a crime arent helping him, so that sums this bullshit up perfectly

9/25/2007 7:31:50 PM

actually i think it was a much smaller, but louder, portion that was pro-dogfighting. really i think the chick with the black hat and Vick jersey accounted for about 90% of the noise by herself

9/25/2007 7:36:20 PM

I've got to say that the columnist Terrence Moore was on point along with the white guy. Even Chuck Smith was good.

The one guy that talked after the guy that rehabbed the images and perceptions of high profile people was booed for saying that he will likely be back in the NFL after he paid his debt to society, but wouldn't be playing for the Atlanta Falcons. No doubt that a lot of Falcons fans would welcome him back, but he was just saying that the trust between Vick and the Falcons organization, which includes the owner and team, had been severed. These idiots boo him for stating the obvious.

9/25/2007 7:41:15 PM

so is this gonna be re-aired anytime soon? I had no plans on watching it but I wanna see what all of you are talkin about now

9/25/2007 9:05:41 PM

This just in:

Vick busted for marijuana in his system in September.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3037175

9/26/2007 1:19:42 PM

gg mr mexico

9/26/2007 1:48:21 PM

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"so is this gonna be re-aired anytime soon? I had no plans on watching it but I wanna see what all of you are talkin about now"

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3036419

there is a video of the whole thing on that page. Once it gets to the end of the bar it will start a new segment. I'm watching it right now and wow...just...wow.

9/26/2007 8:51:50 PM

15 drops tonight by the falcons "receiving" corp

10/15/2007 11:37:12 PM

Its all because Vick is a terrible passer

10/16/2007 12:12:00 AM

Vick would just throw it nowhere near the receiver

[Edited on October 16, 2007 at 12:28 AM. Reason : sentence structlure]

10/16/2007 12:26:39 AM

well now he'll be the "receiver" if you know what i mean

10/16/2007 2:47:02 AM

I need to dig up the Falcons record over the past 5 seasons with Vick starting and their record without him starting.


It looks like everyone's hard-on for Matt Schaub has disappeared too.

11/4/2007 1:36:16 PM

sentencing day!

12/10/2007 10:10:59 AM

so apparently 23 months and 3 yrs probation

12/10/2007 10:46:15 AM

damn

23 months is a long time to be in prison

12/10/2007 10:47:10 AM

Michael Vick is a Golden God an inmate

12/10/2007 10:49:32 AM

Michael Vick is a will be the recipient of a Golden God Shower in jail.

12/10/2007 10:52:59 AM

He deserves 5 years....he consider himself lucky that POS

12/10/2007 11:22:47 AM

wow, that was quick

12/10/2007 11:32:03 AM

man he got off easy

i know i know 2 years in prison is no cakewalk by any means

but he was the funding of the operation

i think he should have gotten at least 3 years

12/10/2007 2:31:02 PM

2 years is too much for a crime with no human victims. There are worse crimes that actually hurt people where you get less time.

[Edited on December 10, 2007 at 4:21 PM. Reason : .]

12/10/2007 4:19:46 PM

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"no human victims"

i guess all the people who had dogs as pets and had their pets stolen to be easy victims to help train vick's dogs don't technically count as human victims

12/10/2007 4:27:19 PM

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"2 years is too much for a crime with no human victims"

Are you familiar with gambling and how the legal system views it, especially an 8 figure gambling ring. The law could care less he tortured a couple dogs, the gambling is what's gotten him in jail with the law, the dogs are what's gotten him in trouble with the public.

12/10/2007 6:00:46 PM

my punishment wouldnt have had jail time

i would have made him donate like 20 million dollars to charity and do 10000 hours of community service

12/10/2007 6:02:32 PM

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"my punishment wouldnt have had jail time i would have made him donate like 20 million dollars to charity and do 10000 hours of community service"

dumbest thing I've ever heard. His legal team is probably costing him half that, he'd have gladly paid that up front. And Community service is a joke in general, for celebrities, it's the entire circus.

12/10/2007 6:05:00 PM

hell, I say just put him in a kennel with a bunch of pissed off pits and if he survives an hour, he's set free.

12/10/2007 6:06:02 PM

^^^^ even better for vick -- Gambling laws are some the most wrong, shadiest laws this country has and exist for no other reason other than to protect state monopolies on gambling. If there were ever a reason to deserve a slap on the wrist, violating a fucking gambling law is that reason.


[Edited on December 10, 2007 at 6:09 PM. Reason : .]

12/10/2007 6:08:29 PM

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"^^^^ even better for vick -- Gambling laws are some the most wrong, shadiest laws this country has and exist for no other reason other than to protect state monopolies on gambling. If there were ever a reason to deserve a slap on the wrist, violating a fucking gambling law is that reason. "

I'm not the judge of it, but yea, if the government is getting cut out of the profit, then yea, they are going to lay down the boom, it's just the way it goes (see liquor licenses). To the government, its not just "violating a gambling law" it's more of "this guy's trying to screw us out of our cut" and the government isn't to fond of people "stealing" (in their view) money from them.

[Edited on December 10, 2007 at 6:19 PM. Reason : .]

12/10/2007 6:18:01 PM

^which makes the steep fine an even better solution. As it is now, the state and taxpayers are getting screwed because we have to lock up vick. It will probably cost even more to lock vick up than a regular prisoner. All the state and taxpayers get in return is a punished vick? Who cares; that's a pretty hollow victory.

[Edited on December 10, 2007 at 6:25 PM. Reason : .]

12/10/2007 6:25:05 PM

I would imagine fining any human being $20 M is unconstitutional. Now if they drum up something and call it restitution, or someone sues him, then I'm sure something could be figured out, but a flat out fine of that amount doesn't seem to fit. Either way, Vick's life is fine, if he wants it to be. He'll be out in time for the majority of the 09 season, if not all, we'll see how it all shakes out. I mean, which team in the NFL wouldn't want Vick as a backup, what's the going rate for the best backup in the NFL, 1-3 M. He can make that for 7 years, and live comfortably the rest of his life. He obviously can't be bankrolling his scholarly friends anymore or buying 250K cars every month, but he can certainly support his immediate family. Can you imagine if he writes a book? Another 5-7M easy, if I were him, I'd start on it now, assuming he can read and write. Bottom line is that if Vick wises up, he still will lead a life that 98% of Americans only dream of, he's just going to have to endure 20 months of Hell to do so, but who wouldn't do that?

12/10/2007 6:41:26 PM

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"I need to dig up the Falcons record over the past 5 seasons with Vick starting and their record without him starting. It looks like everyone's hard-on for Matt Schaub has disappeared too."

Did you start the vick > favre argument. Or am i making that up in my head for my own amusement.

12/10/2007 6:46:10 PM

so a dog bites a man....the dog is put to death

a man kills multiple dogs, inhumanly.......and????

12/11/2007 3:22:35 PM

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"Are you familiar with gambling and how the legal system views it, especially an 8 figure gambling ring. The law could care less he tortured a couple dogs, the gambling is what's gotten him in jail with the law, the dogs are what's gotten him in trouble with the public. "

It was hardly an 8 figure gambling ring. Thats why the whole thing is so fucking ridiculous. They wre only gambling like $10k and $20k on fights. Thats one of the main reasons people are asking why he could be so stupid in all this. You have tens and tens of millions coming in, and you risk/piss it all away over fights only worth around $10k.

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" i guess all the people who had dogs as pets and had their pets stolen to be easy victims to help train vick's dogs don't technically count as human victims"

Show me one article that says they were stealing dogs from people.

[Edited on December 11, 2007 at 4:26 PM. Reason : /]

12/11/2007 4:25:55 PM

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"Vick's operation also petnapped dogs from surrounding counties to use as 'easy prey' to train their dogs. Molly Smith says she thought her dog had just run away until she heard about her neighbors. "I thought it was odd that a few dogs in my neighborhood had apparently run away in the period of about 2 weeks.""

12/11/2007 4:36:15 PM

Got a link for that?

If it is true, then fuck. Thats some bullshit. I hadn't heard anything about that anywhere.

12/11/2007 4:58:04 PM

Thats from earlier in the thread, I'll see if I can find a link

But apparently that is fairly common in surrounding towns and counties of lots of the larger dogfighting rings that they busted up...cause remember, this might seem like a manhunt for Vick since he's the posterchild, but Vick controlled one of 12 rings that was being investigated jointly in a large longterm federal operation...he just happened to be the most famous and recognizable face to the public

12/11/2007 5:10:04 PM

Vick is a genius

Stole this from sign on san diego chargers forums

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"As previously reported Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick was sentenced to prison to 23 months in prison, close to the maximum penalty, for helping to finance a dogfighting operation and destroying dogs that didn't fight aggressively enough. Now we have learned that the NFL star may actually serve less than 1 year in prison! Vick wants to enter the prison's Residential Drug Abuse Treatment Program (RDAP) - an intensive substance abuse treatment program which qualifies eligible graduates for a one year sentence reduction. The NFL star entered the prison before his sentencing date so he may be out again by the beginning of the next year´s NFL season. He was smoking the weed on purpose, near the end"

12/13/2007 4:31:06 PM

Sneaky bastard. I love it.

12/13/2007 4:37:09 PM

sounds like he's on the fast track to the arena football league!

12/13/2007 4:38:29 PM

Riiiight. He will be back in the NFL. No doubt about it.

12/13/2007 4:39:44 PM

^so, your a falcons fan. hes obv not playing there again. not sure why you would care about him gettin out early

12/13/2007 5:48:49 PM