Look

I know the average TWW user is way beyond the average idiot in not being able to extrapolate meaning unless its explicitly written in big, 42 point font but dude I'll try it:

BLU RAY


IS OUTSELLING


HD DVD


BY NEARLY A 2-1 MARGIN

So all you arguing about STANDALONE HURRRR RHURRRR DURKA DURKISTAN is pretty fucking funny considering the actual market is proving you wrong every second of every day and judging from the upcoming HD DVD titles will continue to do so.

I mean I dont even want to defend this shit, but you guys are so amazingly ass-stupid that I feel compelled too.

Let me also just BLOW your mind.

Are you ready?

My prediction: In a year, your boner inducing stand alone Blu Ray player will drop below 200$

HOLY SHIT HE's A PROPHET TOO FOLKS.

1/3/2008 11:28:04 PM

The fact that it's only outselling HD DVD by a 2:1 margin is more embarassing for Blu-ray than it is for HD DVD.

1/3/2008 11:43:16 PM

looking at today's sales doesn't meant much when 95% of blu-ray sales are by PS3 owners, how dumb do you have to be to believe that's the entire movie industry market is a bunch of video game owners

Quote :

"I mean I dont even want to defend this shit, but you guys are so amazingly ass-stupid that I feel compelled too."

you're not defending jack squat just posting numbers of current sales without looking at who's buying the shit, only making yourself look stupid

i'm unbiased and i can even tell there's a difference here

[Edited on January 4, 2008 at 12:23 AM. Reason : .]

1/4/2008 12:20:01 AM

I'm waiving the white flag because I feel dirty for defending sony this long.

Carry on and pray we don't stay duel format.

[Edited on January 4, 2008 at 2:37 AM. Reason : >.<]

1/4/2008 2:25:04 AM

sony & microsoft it's the battle of two evils

1/4/2008 2:50:48 AM

^^^^You know what's embarrassing? $100 players, 15 free movies, and they still can't get anyone to buy their garbage.

[Edited on January 4, 2008 at 7:25 AM. Reason : :]

1/4/2008 7:17:27 AM

^funny you should post that, I just picked up Robocop on Blu-Ray last week

Back to the topic at hand, the writing's on the wall folks. HD-DVD had their chance when Blu-Ray players were still outrageously expensive, they should've hit hard then. Now, BD players are only going to get cheaper and we'll see Blu-Ray pull away even more this year.

And to whoever thinks Warner will be going HD-DVD exclusive, I think you've got it backwards. If you're a movie studio releasing on two formats, and your titles always sell more on one format than the other, are you really going to go 'exclusive' with the losing format???

1/4/2008 8:45:06 AM

^

That's one way to look at it, and I think it's a valid opinion. As I said earlier, Warner has stated they don't want to leave the market in the hands of gamers. I'll dig up that quote if needed, but I hope you'll take my word for it. Warner has always leaned a little red, but I agreee that that isn't a promise they are going exclusive. I think most titles released on both Blu and HD DVD by Warner usually have somewhere between a 1.2-1.5:1 ration in favor of Blu-Ray. I think Warner's willingness to cozy up to Sony and it's DRM will be a factor in deciding who they favor.

I'm very interested to see the sales/statistics for HD DVD since Christmas. I feel the race will be even tighter with the amount of players and software that was purchased.

1/4/2008 11:26:55 AM

^ Granted, a lot of the blu-ray players out there are PS3s, but let's not forget there's a HD DVD accessory for the Xbox 360 as well.

My money's on blu-ray. I haven't bought a player yet, but I really hope they win and win sooner rather than later.

[Edited on January 4, 2008 at 12:20 PM. Reason : ]

1/4/2008 12:19:54 PM

Quote :

" but I really hope they win and win sooner rather than later."

once either format wins the war, wave goodbye to all the BOGO offers on movies.

I hope it goes on for a while longer (as long as Blu-Ray wins and they go back and release all the current HD-DVD exclusives on BD).

1/4/2008 12:30:13 PM

^ actually I think if one format were to clear win, they'd go absolutely nuts with BOGO offers.


They need to kill DVD you see.

1/4/2008 1:05:05 PM

Quote :

"but let's not forget there's a HD DVD accessory for the Xbox 360 as well. "

While it works seemlessly with the 360, it also works well with computers as just an external HD DVD drive.

1/4/2008 1:53:19 PM

Quote :

"That's one way to look at it, and I think it's a valid opinion. As I said earlier, Warner has stated they don't want to leave the market in the hands of gamers. I'll dig up that quote if needed, but I hope you'll take my word for it. Warner has always leaned a little red, but I agreee that that isn't a promise they are going exclusive. I think most titles released on both Blu and HD DVD by Warner usually have somewhere between a 1.2-1.5:1 ration in favor of Blu-Ray. I think Warner's willingness to cozy up to Sony and it's DRM will be a factor in deciding who they favor."

Warner's in it to make money, and they're doing an outstanding job of it by having their new releases in both formats (you leave it up to the consumer to decide by giving them a choice, not by going exclusive). Check out this advertisement in HomeMediaMagazine, directed at retailers...

"By year's end, nearly 5 million households will own HD DVD and Blu-ray Disk players, generating close to $300 million in Hi-Def movie sales. All the best-selling titles are being released in HD DVD and Blu-ray Discs, giving your customers what they want. Carry both Blu-ray and HD DVD movies. That's the best recipe for your success."

Quote :

"I'm very interested to see the sales/statistics for HD DVD since Christmas. I feel the race will be even tighter with the amount of players and software that was purchased."

Very strong sales by the 3rd in the Bourne trilogy, but overall Blu-ray still outsells HD DVD. The 5th Harry Potter movie was 55%/45% in favor of Blu-ray, which is also close but still favors Blu-ray. These don't include the years 1-5 giftset.




Simpsons and Superbad make small splashes. Comedies usually don't sell as well in HDM as action. Planet Earth just won't die, will it?

1/4/2008 1:58:21 PM

Aaaaaaaaand, we're done. Move it along folks, nothing to see here.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=969068

Quote :

"WARNER BROS. ENTERTAINMENT TO RELEASE ITS HIGH-DEFINITION DVD TITLES EXCLUSIVELY IN THE BLU-RAY DISC FORMAT BEGINNING LATER THIS YEAR"

1/4/2008 3:49:12 PM

The Bourne movie makes me scratch my head. Funny that's the top title, but I've yet to see the movie. I have it on my Netflix queue coming up, so we will see how it is.

And yes, Planet Earth will not die.


EDIT: That announcement looks legit, bad news for HD DVD indeed. Important lesson learned, speculation is just that. I'm glad I don't gamble

I'll be interesting to see how CES unfolds with Warner speaking at the HD DVD meeting.

[Edited on January 4, 2008 at 3:56 PM. Reason : wow]

1/4/2008 3:50:22 PM

It's legit.

http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssConsumerGoodsAndRetailNews/idUSN0432340820080104

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/2008-01-04-warner-brothers-blu-ray_N.htm

Quote :

"WARNER BROS. ENTERTAINMENT TO RELEASE ITS HIGH-DEFINITION DVD TITLES EXCLUSIVELY IN THE BLU-RAY DISC FORMAT BEGINNING LATER THIS YEAR Decision Made in Response to Strong Consumer Preference for Format (January 4, 2008 - Burbank, CA) - In response to consumer demand, Warner Bros. Entertainment will release its high-definition DVD titles exclusively in the Blu-ray disc format beginning later this year, it was announced today by Barry Meyer, Chairman & CEO, Warner Bros. and Kevin Tsujihara, President, Warner Bros. Home Entertainment Group. "Warner Bros.' move to exclusively release in the Blu-ray disc format is a strategic decision focused on the long term and the most direct way to give consumers what they want," said Meyer. "The window of opportunity for high- definition DVD could be missed if format confusion continues to linger. We believe that exclusively distributing in Blu-ray will further the potential for mass market success and ultimately benefit retailers, producers, and most importantly, consumers." Warner Home Video will continue to release its titles in standard DVD format and Blu-ray. After a short window following their standard DVD and Blu-ray releases, all new titles will continue to be released in HD DVD until the end of May 2008. "Warner Bros. has produced in both high-definition formats in an effort to provide consumer choice, foster mainstream adoption and drive down hardware prices," said Jeff Bewkes, President and Chief Executive Officer, Time Warner Inc., the parent company of Warner Bros. Entertainment. "Today's decision by Warner Bros. to distribute in a single format comes at the right time and is the best decision both for consumers and Time Warner." "A two-format landscape has led to consumer confusion and indifference toward high definition, which has kept the technology from reaching mass adoption and becoming the important revenue stream that it can be for the industry," said Tsujihara. "Consumers have clearly chosen Blu-ray, and we believe that recognizing this preference is the right step in making this great home entertainment experience accessible to the widest possible audience. Warner Bros. has worked very closely with the Toshiba Corporation in promoting high definition media and we have enormous respect for their efforts. We look forward to working with them on other projects in the future."

[Edited on January 4, 2008 at 3:59 PM. Reason : may as well post the whole release]

1/4/2008 3:58:54 PM

^^Yep. GG everyone. It's been fun...

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/2008-01-04-warner-brothers-blu-ray_N.htm

1/4/2008 3:59:56 PM

I would say I told you so, but...

actually, you know what? I told you so.



And to think, I was actually contemplating picking up an HD-DVD player just last week...

[Edited on January 4, 2008 at 4:09 PM. Reason : glad i didn't]

1/4/2008 4:00:05 PM

with this, blu-ray will be worth buying at 2.0

1/4/2008 4:31:52 PM

Heh glad I didn't pick up that hddvd box for my 360.

1/4/2008 4:33:45 PM

PS3 has been deployed, I admit defeat, HD DVD had a good run though

1/4/2008 4:41:55 PM

doh.

now we just need a cheap bluray player that can decode lossless formats..

1/4/2008 4:45:21 PM

I win.

Again.

1/4/2008 4:51:48 PM

Quote :

"now we just need a cheap bluray player that can decode lossless formats.."

And sometime in the next century, we might actually get one.

This is terrible for consumers.

1/4/2008 5:02:16 PM

Oh shut up.

Plug your computer into your sound system.

1/4/2008 5:02:49 PM

My computer is plugged in to my sound system.

1/4/2008 5:09:00 PM

Good man.

1/4/2008 5:10:18 PM

And my HD DVD player would be plugged into my TV, except OH HEY WHERE DID MY HDMI CABLE GO

1/4/2008 5:13:03 PM

It is terrible for consumers, but sometimes thats just how it goes. No doubt a huge payout persuaded Warner, but I guess it's now Blu-Ray vs. DVD.

Time to dust off your PS3s!

1/4/2008 5:14:24 PM

And my HD DVD player would be plugged into my TV, except OH HEY WHERE DID MY HDMI CABLE GO I've already got access to every HD movie released on both formats on my computer.

[Edited on January 4, 2008 at 5:19 PM. Reason : keke]

1/4/2008 5:19:11 PM

This is why the only thing I'm upset about is that there's absolutely no reason for Sony to drop prices if they become the only show in town.

1/4/2008 5:25:19 PM

snap. it pretty much over, but hddvd wont go out without a fight

1/4/2008 5:31:38 PM

Quote :

"No doubt a huge payout persuaded Warner"

The idea that the format war has been keeping people from adopting HD players does have some merit though, but yeah I smell payout.

1/4/2008 5:36:36 PM

you mean like the Dreamworks payout?

1/4/2008 5:40:55 PM

Meh, they're all motivated by payouts. I'm just saying the argument they used might not be complete shit.

1/4/2008 5:41:40 PM

Yea, it's all motivated by payouts. Paramount, Universal, Warner. I totally agree with Warner's reassons for doing what they did (minus payouts of course). I just wish it was red instead of blue.

1/4/2008 5:51:24 PM

thank God, we finally have one format, let's just hope we see the prices still come down.

this is for all the people that though putting blu-ray in the PS3 was a mistake, validation has finally come for sony's decision, let's just hope they don't screw us with their proprietary crap

*personally i think they gave in too early (in terms of making a decision with so few of sales), but apparently the lack-luster sales were to consumers being confused, not necessarily price or features*

Quote :

"All sides of the format war had agreed it was confusing to consumers and a stumbling block for a potential multibillion-dollar industry."

[Edited on January 4, 2008 at 6:04 PM. Reason : .]

1/4/2008 6:02:20 PM

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS230058+04-Jan-2008+PRN20080104

[Edited on January 4, 2008 at 6:22 PM. Reason : the toshiba response]

1/4/2008 6:21:34 PM

^^ really the whole blu ray stems from sony forcing you to buy it, instead of giving you a choice. i commend ms for allowing me to have that choice. sony gambled and i don't like gamblers. they could still stand a small chance of losing, as it is still not over, just saying. since ms gave me a choice i can now decide what to actually buy instead of having a seem-soon-to-be-dead-format in my console, whereas altho this looks like the deal maker for sony, they still took a chance and forced people to buy it.

[Edited on January 4, 2008 at 6:45 PM. Reason : dgh]

1/4/2008 6:42:47 PM

^nobody forced anybody to buy anything.

1/4/2008 7:11:22 PM

so you bought a ps3 without it having a bluray disc drive in it?

1/4/2008 7:14:35 PM

well honestly, sony won by not making anyone buy a blu-ray player, they just won because 60% of PS3 owners out there bought a blu-ray disc to check it out most likely

1/4/2008 7:20:58 PM

...or their plan actually worked and they got PS3 users (like myself) who NEVER used to buy movies (I own maybe 3 or 4 DVDs) to start buying Blu-Ray movies (I already own 40+ in the one year I've owned a player, and I'd own much more than that if more titles were available).

It was a smart move by Sony, I've said it all along. All you Sony haters can bitch and moan about how it was forced on people, but it was a brilliant business move. In my eyes, their only gamble was putting the system out at $600 and they LOST that bet. They had to make the biggest price cut in console history, and are taking HUGE losses on all the hardware they sell.

Seems like it might pay off after all, though, doesn't it?

1/4/2008 7:31:42 PM

it was a gamble for sony, and technically still is because no one format had been abandon as of yet, however, what ms was did was right too. they did not force you to buy hddvd because they knew it might not pan out. so ....

1/4/2008 7:34:29 PM

ok ok, you got me. i lied. i know it sounds amazing, but i was actually held at gunpoint in circuit city. the clerk wouldn't let me leave until i bought a PS3. it was horrible!

1/4/2008 7:36:39 PM

i think all he's saying is that you couldn't buy a PS3 w/out blu-ray

1/4/2008 7:41:39 PM

Quote :

"they did not force you to buy hddvd because they knew it might not pan out."

you really think that's why??

1/4/2008 7:47:43 PM

^^Yeah and that's what it sounds like without inserting bizarre brand-sentiment-based rhetoric into it. Sony no more "forced" anyone to buy blu-ray than MS "robbed" people of a potential deal by not including it in the 360.

Sony banked, possibly incorrectly, on people seeing the bundle of blu-ray plus high tech gaming console as a great deal while microsoft reasoned that what gamers wanted out of a console was games and for it to be affordable- something nintendo kind of beat them at in a way. Microsoft's strategy worked in terms of victory as a gaming console and sony's strategy worked on the format war but didn't pan out so much in terms of the world of gaming. See- no BS fanboi rhetoric.

[Edited on January 4, 2008 at 7:51 PM. Reason : ]

1/4/2008 7:51:37 PM

hopefully Warner will push back the release of Amadeus and give it a 50GB worthy encode + some lossless audio.

1/4/2008 7:52:17 PM

"See- no BS fanboi rhetoric." -- thank you.

1/4/2008 7:55:41 PM