^nicely spun terp. My apologies.

Quote :

"Cheney did something shifty"

Which was what?

Obama not wanting to put gang related murders up for the death penality in chicago would be a prime example. Esp if one can prove, like the writer said, that he did so bc it would discriminate against blacks.

[Edited on May 15, 2008 at 4:47 PM. Reason : .]

5/15/2008 4:43:46 PM

Quote :

"Obama has displayed none of the flaws Wright displayed"

no Obama supporters even admitted that Wright had flaws until Obama denounced him and gave Obama supporters the tacit 'ok' to admit that Wright was a paranoid racist bigot

5/15/2008 4:45:31 PM

Was that an intentional red herring, or do you just not get what I said?

5/15/2008 4:47:01 PM

do you always answer questions with questions instead of addressing the content of my post?

5/15/2008 4:49:50 PM

do you always answer questions with questions instead of addressing the content of my post?

5/15/2008 4:52:45 PM

words

5/15/2008 4:53:07 PM

Quote :

"^nicely spun terp. My apologies."

go ahead and believe it was a spin if it keeps you from seeing how fucked your mind works

You see, it isn't race that determines whether or not you think Obama's fucking pastor would influence his presidency (or judgement), it's your level of stuipdity, and willingness to believe something out of line to align that something with your hardened beliefs



[Edited on May 15, 2008 at 5:01 PM. Reason : ]

5/15/2008 4:54:47 PM

nice job Boone of ignoring my statement about people not even ACKNOWLEDGING Wright's flaws until Obama gave him the ok

with strong willed minds like Obama supporters seem to have, they won't realize Obama has any flaws until Obama himself admits them

5/15/2008 4:56:01 PM

Quote :

"Obama not wanting to put gang related murders up for the death penality in chicago would be a prime example. Esp if one can prove, like the writer said, that he did so bc it would discriminate against blacks."

There's an extremely large gap between "GOD DAMN AMERICA RAWR RAWR RAWR" and opposing a bill that would hurt blacks more than whites (even if his rationale is indeed silly, imho).

No one's saying Obama isn't to the left of Limbaugh when it comes to race issues. I've still not seen anything from Obama that indicates he's even in Wright's ballpark, though.

YET, this association with him is being used for just that purpose.


^ So again-- why did you bring that up? It has -nothing- to do with the argument I made.

[Edited on May 15, 2008 at 4:58 PM. Reason : .]

5/15/2008 4:57:16 PM

Quote :

"a bill that would hurt blacks more than whites (even if his rationale is indeed silly, imho)."

"silly"

not racially motivated, just "silly"

Quote :

"So again-- why did you bring that up? It has -nothing- to do with the argument I made."

i thought you were smarter than that...sigh

5/15/2008 4:59:31 PM

Boone, as I said before, I dont think he is the same as wright, but I do feel he does share some of his views. Esp when you consider his own wive's comments and that chicago example. But Im not voting for him anyway, and like the news said last night the younger votes dont care as much about facts, they are more emotionally driven.

None of this will influence anyones decision, its already been made and everyone seems to just tow the company line.

5/15/2008 5:03:41 PM

Quote :

"Esp when you consider his own wive's comments"

HOLY.

CRAP.

ALL THIS TYPING FOR NAUGHT.

5/15/2008 5:07:55 PM

you cant even legitimately address his post as well as calling out his grammar? just the grammar? cant do both?

i mean i really dont care, but when you love calling out other people for doing the exact same shit, i'll let you know when you're just as guilty yourself

5/15/2008 5:10:27 PM

I wasn't calling out his grammar.

I was pointing out that after my thorough explanation of what exactly guilt by association is-- he went and did it again.

Did you not get that, either?

5/15/2008 5:15:07 PM

haha, sorry. Writing and Grammer werent my thing in school. Only C I got in high school. Compound the issue with my brain thinking faster than I type.

Boone, maybe the fact that we cant point to a voting record or real acheivement for examples isnt a BAD thing for OUR arguement. At least worth considering. Im giving you examples of why I question his judgement and beliefs.

[Edited on May 15, 2008 at 5:17 PM. Reason : ..]

5/15/2008 5:15:22 PM

i figured you called him out for spelling it "wive's"

considering your "explanation" was "ALL THIS TYPING FOR NAUGHT", how was anybody supposed to have a clue what you meant

5/15/2008 5:16:15 PM

Well if you were the type that constantly called people out for grammar, I can see why you'd jump to that conclusion.


If you're the type of person who stays on topic, you'd have read the actual content of the quote.

5/15/2008 5:18:05 PM

and if you had made a coherent critique of that post you quoted, instead of posting a few words in all capital letters, nobody at all would have trouble deciphering your intent

5/15/2008 5:23:18 PM

DAMN AMERICA=ok lets change america completely

Obama is a hippie's president. Obama is a communist's president. You've got all these spoiled college students and young people that don't know what they are doing exercising their right to vote just for the sake of feeling powerful and they are sending America off of a cliff. Obama being a black person's president is not even an issue. He's not even black and has stayed as far away from any black endorsements as he can. He's just using his dark skin to gain votes yet black people think he will magically solve all their problems. No president could do more for black than Bill Clinton anyway.

Obama is going to end America as we know it. This is why all these young college students want him. Obama doesn't like America he's not a patriot and his goal is change. He's going to change the constitution. He's going to change international relations. He's going to CHANGE AMERICA.

We will all be baking bread for China in four years.

5/15/2008 11:16:44 PM

i guess most of the north carolinian primary voters are hippies then

[Edited on May 15, 2008 at 11:18 PM. Reason : or commies. seriously, are you even trying?]

5/15/2008 11:18:04 PM

if you mean most of North Carolina's democratic non black primary turnout are hippies or commies yes

in a state thats about 50% dem lets say 50% turnout among them (really high) 25% of that turnout was black and 65% voted for Obama. So in the ~8% of North Carolinians pop remaining that voted for Obama, most of them are extremely liberal (hippies) or even borderline commie and yes they want to destroy American and make it something new.

Obama has been open about completely changing America himself and plans to change the constitution so my statements or Rev Wright's shouldn't shock anyone with regards to Obama.

5/15/2008 11:25:39 PM

they shoulda never let women use computers...god damn...

[Edited on May 15, 2008 at 11:28 PM. Reason : j/k the daire <3 ]

5/15/2008 11:27:58 PM

wow, she's straight up fuckin pwning all your asses

5/15/2008 11:48:25 PM

and i agree with everything she just said

5/15/2008 11:49:59 PM

Then you're arguably as mentally challenged as she is.

5/15/2008 11:51:21 PM

hey stein. how's your brother franken?

5/15/2008 11:53:33 PM

Quote :

"hey stein. how's your brother franken?"

Doing great. How's the whole wallowing around in sewage thing working for you and your fellow Rats?

5/15/2008 11:54:37 PM

Are all of you democrats that mean?

5/15/2008 11:55:25 PM

Feel free to pretend there was more animosity in that then was intended.

It'd be the status quo in this thread.

[Edited on May 15, 2008 at 11:58 PM. Reason : .]

5/15/2008 11:57:29 PM

^^lol wait til we win

5/16/2008 1:05:18 AM

Quote :

". You've got all these spoiled college students and young people that don't know what they are doing exercising their right to vote just for the sake of feeling powerful and they are sending America off of a cliff."

The entirety of your post was pretty much wrong.

But the empirically provable nature of this comment makes it the easiest to show that you don't have a clue what you're talking about. In NC, it wasn't just the young people who voted for Obama (and they were only 14% anyway), it was all the age demographics except for 65 and older. They could make it completely illegal for anyone under 30 to vote, and Obama would have still won by double-digit margins in NC.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#NCDEM

5/16/2008 1:33:37 AM

Quote :

"^^lol wait til we win"

Why do you post in TSB? I rarely post in because of the damn arguments and how people believe that their side is the only way or else you are wrong, much like most of America. Most don't have a clue what they are talking about. Shouldn't you stick to CC?

5/16/2008 1:48:31 AM

FINALLY, FINALLY, FINALLY!!!!

Someone is writing about the lack of clarity in Obama's position on the Iraq War. I literally thought I was the only one that noticed. You know all those quotes I keep posting? That wasn't from some e-mail forward. I had to scrounge for each one of those. I've seriously been trying to figure out Obama's position for 2 months. Well, it turns out The New Republic agrees...they don't know his position either.

Quote :

"[T]he fine print of his plan is filled with caveats, ambiguities, and wiggle room--leaving open the possibility of maintaining anything from a token troop contingent by late 2010 all the way to a major force numbering many tens of thousands of American soldiers."

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=6001af15-399f-4b11-b7fb-6f52baca6bcc

They even mention Obama's changing position on withdrawal time-tables!!! Seeing it in print feels so good. Now I can just point people to an article they will never read, rather than a list of quotes they will never read. Politics is so fun.

5/16/2008 1:56:53 PM

^you aren't allowed to know these things about obama

prepare to be branded a racist in 3...... 2......

5/16/2008 2:07:46 PM

and mccain just says "most of our troops will be out by 2013", osama will be dead and we'll be exporting more because of trade deals with unknown countries. no mention of ANY specifics of any of it. and no one bats an eye.

5/16/2008 2:24:34 PM

Yeah, McCain's little speech the other day sounded about as realistic and well conceived as a 4 year old's Christmas list.

5/16/2008 2:28:39 PM

sarijoul,

Leaving by 2013 is not a policy platform, it's a hope for the future. Obama's promice to immediatley begin withdrawing troops after he becomes President and to bring the majority of troops home in 16 months, on the other hand, it an actual policy proposal.

And you think he's given enough specifics on that?????

5/16/2008 3:17:32 PM

Quote :

"Leaving by 2013 is not a policy platform, it's a hope for the future."

it's pretty scary in itself that his "hope" for the future includes at least 5 more years with major forces in Iraq.

5/16/2008 3:20:23 PM

^ scary or realistic? And if Sarijoul want's to talk specifics let's talk specifics. How specifically would Obama pull us out in 16 months (assuming he actually believes that and as I've pointed out before that is not for certain)? Here's the last few paragraphs of the TNR article.

Quote :

"Finally, it's worth considering the potential challenges of a rapid exit. "We have moved an iron and concrete Mount Everest to Iraq since 2003. Heavy stuff that cannot be flown out, that has to be driven by truck," says Biddle. Ten thousand truck trips, some estimate. There are also 1,900 tanks and armored vehicles, 43,000 trucks, plus 700 aircraft in Iraq. And it won't be easy getting it all out. Most materiel would travel down Route Tampa, an asphalt highway that makes a conveniently narrow target for insurgents, who already bomb the route regularly. Some military planners anxiously recall the way the Red Army battled home from Afghanistan in 1988 and 1989 through mujahedin rocket ambushes at perilous choke points. The exit of 120,000 Soviet troops cost 523 lives. "Who wants to be the last to die for a withdrawal?" asks Biddle. But who wants to be the last to die for a failed occupation, either? Such are the gruesome choices that a president Obama will face, regardless of whether his euphoric supporters realize it yet."

5/16/2008 3:24:48 PM

Quote :

"scary or realistic"

if you mean realistic in the same sense that the original estimation of major combat operations in the war was less than a year....then yes, realistic.

and there isn't going to be a drawdown on the scale of your quote....more like a slow trickle out so the Iraqis get a sense of urgency....it seems funny that the article quotes lessons learned from the soviet/afghan war as a deterrent for withdrawl, but those "lessons learned" arguments never had any thought before the ill conceived Iraq war began.

5/16/2008 3:48:27 PM

^^It should be real hard to get those planes home.

5/16/2008 3:50:20 PM

^^ Funny, but irrelevant. I was against the war too. But now we're there and we have to figure out the best strategy moving forward. I don't think rushing out in 16 months is a good idea. Having legislators set arbitrary withdrawal dates that disconnected from the realities on the ground is a really bad approach to shaping military policy. And guess what? That's exactly what Obama thought in 2006.

Then it "just so happened" that he changed his mind when he started running for President.

PS* If Obama doesn't think we will leave in 16 months, then he is consistantly lying misrepresenting his position to get votes.

[Edited on May 16, 2008 at 4:00 PM. Reason : ``]

5/16/2008 3:57:13 PM

Opinions and stances have a way of changing as people become better informed.

Of course, that's not to say that this happens to everyone, as our current administration has shown.

5/16/2008 4:21:42 PM

lol its kinda obvious whatever he says is bullshit until he gets in power

5/16/2008 4:23:03 PM

Stein,

So....Obama was uninformed about the war before 2006...does that mean he shouldn't get credit for opposing the war in 2002? And does that also mean he should be punished (or at least scolded) for taking positions on the war when he was uninformed? Like in 2004 when he said his stance on the war was not much different President Bush's (he said they both agreed America needed to remain in Iraq)? Or in 2006 when he opposed the idea of congress setting withdrawal deadlines for withdrawal (10 months before he changed his mind and proposed his own deadlines)?

So apparently, the guy lost track of the war for 4 years and didn't hit the books until he was running for President. That's EXACTLY what I want in a President.

5/16/2008 4:50:31 PM

I'd rather have someone in office who is willing to change their mind or correct themselves if they've made a mistake, Obama or not Obama.

We've seen what the alternative has net us.

[Edited on May 16, 2008 at 5:35 PM. Reason : .]

5/16/2008 5:34:42 PM

^ !!! Changing your mind for good reasons is NOT what I am talking about (I think this is the 6th time I've said it in this thread alone). The point is that we don't know why Obama is changing his mind.

I personally think it's all for political reasons. His mind "just so happens" to change when the polls change. Having a President that makes policy on poll numbers is VERY bad.

Your statement actually implies that he has been willfully uninformed for at least 4 years (assuming you think he was informed when he opposed the war in 2002). Also a bad quality in a President. And you DON'T CARE!

It's amazing how Obama supporters want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to give Obama credit for being right in 2002, then ignore the fact that he has been against immediate withdrawal for about half his time in the Senate. You know, when he actually had the power to do something about it?

I would think people would be pissed off that Obama is so transparently pandering to their core beliefs. Instead they eat up. It blows my fucking mind.

[Edited on May 16, 2008 at 6:03 PM. Reason : ``]

5/16/2008 6:02:12 PM

obama's a pussy if he pulls out.

5/16/2008 6:14:15 PM

it blows my mind that people will vote for mccain honestly

5/16/2008 6:16:10 PM

Quote :

"Your statement actually implies that he has been willfully uninformed for at least 4 years (assuming you think he was informed when he opposed the war in 2002). Also a bad quality in a President. And you DON'T CARE!"

My statement implies nothing of the sort.

5/16/2008 6:22:36 PM