Miss me yet?

9/26/2011 8:20:24 PM

guys lets be realistic here for god's sake.

It's over for TOB at NC State. I'm not saying he'll be fired after this season, but there's no way in hell he makes it more than 3 years.

Let's look at this.

We suck total nuts this year, obviously. Things will be hot going into next season.

Next year Glennon is a senior so we have a chance to be competitive if he improves and learns to read defenses and stop taking so many sacks.

After that? We are going to be fucked the following year. Several straight poor recruiting classes have left the cupboard bare and without a good/great QB we are going to suck total shit.

I don't think anyone realizes how much we'll miss TJ Graham's help in the return game and as a bonafide #1 WR.


Do you really think we'll keep TOB after this shitty season, next years unspectacular results, and a final awful season when god knows who (prob a 2-3 star freshman or Soph.) will be starting at QB???

It's over.

9/26/2011 8:35:10 PM

The sky is indeed falling after one conference game. Thanks for putting it into perspective.

9/26/2011 8:40:25 PM

Lol here we go again. Sidney Lowe v2 but without decent recruits.

[Edited on September 26, 2011 at 8:50 PM. Reason : I don't care if we lose by 50 Saturday, I still didn't/dont want Paul Johnson]

9/26/2011 8:46:16 PM

19-17

thats enough said.

9/26/2011 8:50:44 PM

He's Butch Davis without the notoriety and NCAA violations (but worse recruiting, not sure how much the BMFD ncaa violation played into losing recruits)

the 4-0 record against UNC is keeping everyone from jump of the wagon, so he better keep that up or there will be a meltdown.

9/26/2011 9:04:19 PM

the comparison of O'Brien to Lowe is stupid. Insanely stupid. So stupid, its stoooopid.

Lowe inherited a team that had been to 5 straight NCAA tourneys. O'Brien inherited a team that was 3-9. He didn't inherit a good team, he inherited a shitty team full of overhyped, undisciplined prima-donnas. I don't understand why you want to keep comparing him to Lowe. This comparison only reinforces the notion that O'Brien inherited a decent team trying to get over the hump. He didn't. He inherited a BAD team. And everyone knew Lowe had to go before his final season even started, and that it was going to take a magical run through the tourny to keep him. O'Brien is coming off of a good season (compared to NC State standards) and is having a shaky season during an otherwise steady program re-build. Lowe took over a proud program with a history of NCAA success, two national championships, and multiple ACC championships. O'Brien is taking over a program that is best known nationally for tailgate homicides and great facilities.

This isn't an issue of fans not knowing or not wanting to accept that change is needed. Everyone knew it was time for Amato to go after that 3-9 season, and everyone knew Lowe was in over his head. If anything, the situation is more analogous to Herb Sendek -- not that I think these comparisons offer us any insight--they don't. It is more about an impatient fanbase that desperately wants to see immediate success rather than patiently wait to build a solid program the right way.

Fire him after 5 years? Ha, good luck getting any coach to come to NC fucking State after that.

9/26/2011 10:28:07 PM

its about the $$$ these days dawg.

9/26/2011 10:30:23 PM

Oh shit, really?

9/26/2011 10:31:41 PM

Quote :

"Lowe took over a proud program with a history of NCAA success, two national championships, and multiple ACC championships."

Haha

Quote :

"It is more about an impatient fanbase that desperately wants to see immediate success rather than patiently wait to build a solid program the right way."

I would agree but he's 64 years old.

9/26/2011 10:39:49 PM

the only reason why i brought up the national championships and acc championships was to illustrate why our fanbase feels entitled to basketball success. the same can't be said for football, where we have little to no history, aside from a few seasons with a couple of key skill players.

[Edited on September 26, 2011 at 10:59 PM. Reason : ]

9/26/2011 10:58:24 PM

dug this gem up from a few pages back:


mambagrl
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"Theres no point in delaying the inevitable. Each year we wait is another year before we can be decent again and soon all the chuck talent will be gone. "

irving/wilson are finally gone. haha

9/26/2011 11:20:39 PM

Did you really just pull out a mambagrl quote? Really?

[Edited on September 26, 2011 at 11:25 PM. Reason : O]

9/26/2011 11:24:59 PM

pack_bryan credibility watch?

9/26/2011 11:32:15 PM

no Hoops quotes to share?

9/26/2011 11:33:01 PM

don't know about you guys but our DC looks like he'd much rather be in Mexico with a Corona on the beach than coaching defense

9/27/2011 1:36:21 PM

0-fer on the road against division rivals is pretty weak

9/27/2011 1:46:30 PM

Quote :

"Did you really just pull out a mambagrl quote? Really?"

I've been suspecting for a while that pack_bryan is an alias of mambagrl, or The E Man/Earl

[Edited on September 27, 2011 at 2:02 PM. Reason : .]

9/27/2011 2:02:35 PM

^ you sir are fucking retarded.

go spend some time raising your kid or something more productive. what are you doing wasting time on a troll forum trying to pair up user aliases. (doing a horrible job at it too) what a waste.

[Edited on September 27, 2011 at 3:21 PM. Reason : .]

9/27/2011 3:19:56 PM

NC State: where great coaches go to die (or at least fall into obscurity)

9/27/2011 3:20:49 PM

or

NC State: where great [assistant] coaches go to die (or at least fall into obscurity) get a better job somewhere else

See:
Pete Carroll
Norm Chow
Doc Holiday
Manny Diaz
Reggie Herring



[Edited on September 27, 2011 at 3:38 PM. Reason : ....sure I'm missing a few]

9/27/2011 3:36:48 PM

dana bible for head coach? ha

9/27/2011 3:38:28 PM

^^old school list:

Monte Kiffin (never mind he was head coach) 80-82 with Pete carroll
Tyrone Willingham

[Edited on September 27, 2011 at 3:48 PM. Reason : NM]

9/27/2011 3:47:35 PM

fess up. who would object to.....

9/27/2011 3:48:18 PM

LOL DebbieYow

9/27/2011 3:49:39 PM

I would be fucking pissed if we got fat ass Friedgen and his horrible accent.

I am upset at how this season has gone and I know GT is going to embarass us on Saturday, but hopefully we can win against CMU and then get back some guys on defense and see where it takes us. Maybe we can finish strong like TOB did his 1st couple years and sneak into a bowl game (highly unlikely with the back loaded schedule).

I still have relatively no hope for the future of this program. Maybe TOB can pick up the in state recruiting once UNC get hammered by the NCAA, but until we consistently recruit in the 30s in ranking, then we'll forever be mediocre.

9/27/2011 4:09:24 PM

I'd rather have TOB lose over and over than have Fridgen.

9/27/2011 4:11:10 PM

Quote :

"^^old school list: "

( If we're talking head coaches) Don't forget Lou Holtz

[Edited on September 27, 2011 at 4:23 PM. Reason : ]

9/27/2011 4:22:22 PM

Over/under on thread pages come Sunday morning = 40

9/28/2011 4:59:51 PM

this thread? if we got blown out with all our starters sure. i could see that.

last week we predicted a close loss to UC and got blown out.

this time we are EXPECTING the blowout. we gotta wait a few games for this thread to explode. we just simply don't have our team to boil it down 100% to bad coaching.

9/28/2011 6:06:20 PM

RW could not have saved us but a defensive end would have totally won the game for us.

9/28/2011 6:21:58 PM

9/28/2011 9:59:16 PM

Quote :

"When Wake Forest started running out of healthy, experienced bodies on the defensive line last season, coach Jim Grobe made the bold decision to switch from a 4-3 scheme to a 3-4. It’s a change that helped produce an immediate improvement for the Deacons. But despite that example, N.C. State coach Tom O’Brien said that moving to a 3-4 is not an option he’s considering – at least not yet – for his own injury depleted defensive unit. “We really have not talked that way just yet,” O’Brien said Wednesday on the ACC’s weekly coaches conference call."

It's always seemed to me that O'Brien always tries to fit whatever size pegs we have into the same size hole. I know coaches know their systems and you can't change them around easily even from year to year, but it's the incessant "these guys aren't good...(possibly because they aren't the right fit for my system" mentality that sort of drives me nuts.

9/29/2011 7:38:46 AM

^Yeah, that's the impression that I've always got - try to make the players work for a specific system instead of trying to adapt the system to fit your current set of players.

9/29/2011 7:49:01 AM

TOb's just a bad coach. Lack of creativity is about the worst trait you can have in a leader of anything.

9/29/2011 7:55:39 AM

Speaking of lack of creativity, here's what Paul Johnson had to say about us in his PC.

http://northcarolinastate.scout.com/2/1111667.html

Quote :

"Q: N.C. State last year beat you with Russell Wilson the quarterback, and replaced him with Mike Glennon who has very good numbers. What kind of different problems does he present preparing for defensively than Wilson? A: Well, I think they're both good players in their own right. Certainly Glennon has a strong arm. He's probably not quite as mobile as Wilson, but he's probably got a little stronger arm overall. So they're going to do their stuff. They don't vary much. They've got a system that they run, and I'm sure they plug him in and continue to run it."

9/29/2011 9:37:02 AM

Are you insinuating that PJ thinks TOB lacks creativity because he runs a system?

9/29/2011 11:20:28 AM

^ Yeah because we do a whole lot of different things on offense

Seriously when is the last time State tried a trick play or even something like an end around? Our offense is boring outside of the long bombs we try.

9/29/2011 6:17:10 PM

A hand-off to a FB is our trick play - we're sitting on it for a time when we really need it.

9/29/2011 8:04:13 PM

There is being gimmicky and there is keeping the defense on their toes.

We don't have the personnel to tell a team what we are going to do in advance and dare them to stop us...well, I mean, we do, it's just that they stop us.

9/30/2011 9:53:24 AM

i'm going to say something, and i really can't believe i'm saying it but here it goes:

when we hired TOB, it was immediately obvious how similar of a situation it was to herb, except i was pretty confident that we were right about herb and that BC was wrong about TOB. as it turns out, we were both right.

9/30/2011 10:05:13 AM

blue birdies are chirpin. ha

9/30/2011 10:54:11 AM

Quote :

"Seriously when is the last time State tried a trick play or even something like an end around? Our offense is boring outside of the long bombs we try."

Up 17 against VT, on their side of the field driving after Moose broke a 60 yarder. Ran the reverse. Fumbled. You know the rest. It was the first and last trick play we will ever see from TOB.

9/30/2011 11:03:37 AM

^ ha i was just gonna say. that happened no more than 50 feet in front of my face. vtech comeback and win ensued. and that 60 yard run by moose almost brought the stadium down from the noise. that was indeed the climax of last years season. the home crowd never really got that loud again that season except at the end of the FSU game for a few minutes.

[Edited on September 30, 2011 at 11:17 AM. Reason : .]

9/30/2011 11:15:57 AM

^ Or the Champs Bowl game with the Tedder 2 pt try thing that went very awry

9/30/2011 11:15:59 AM

Quote :

"Are you insinuating that PJ thinks TOB lacks creativity because he runs a system?"

No, I'm saying that PJ is essentially saying that it's not that different between playing RW and MG because our system is so boring. Saying an opponents offense doesn't vary much is a slap in the face.

Coaches are typically very complimentary or sandbag a bit regarding their opponent during these pregame PC's, but i got the feeling he's just like, "meh, seen it before, no big deal, doesn't matter who the QB is, same ole same ole." I'm sure I'm reading too much into it out of recent frustration with Pack football, but it certainly doesn't bode well.

9/30/2011 11:18:12 AM

glennon had a pretty convincing hand off fake against south alabama does that count?



we are going to beat central michigan, maryland, BC, virginia and carolina. mark it down.

[Edited on September 30, 2011 at 11:23 AM. Reason : ,]

9/30/2011 11:18:37 AM

ok guys, i'm going to do a sort of quantitative easing regarding TOB's credibility. i'm going Bernanke on yalls asses -- going to attempt to back some of you off the ledge by dosing you with actual TOB wisdom:

(1) Coach has often said that when you win you're not as good as you think, and when you lose you're not as bad as you think.

(2) Coach keeps a banner/sign in the locker room that says, "Most games are won or lost before they are played". This is paraphrasing Sun Tzu: "Battles are won or lost before they are fought." Preparation is thee key ingredient to execution.

The fact that TOB understands these things lets me believe that all the things wrong with the team are measurable and fixable. This season can be salvaged, but it wont be easy. The main truth that has become self evident is that Archer needs to go. Either Coach will be reunited with his DC from Boston at the end of the season or Tenuta will step up to DC sometime in the middle.

[I also hope Dantonio Burnette is back on the staff either with strength and conditioning or linbackers.]

In any case, while Cinci and WF's offense exposed our D, i still think its too early to panic. If we get torn apart by GT i'll change my tone, but right now im doubling down on my faith in TOB.

9/30/2011 11:38:40 AM

^^^ I guess my point is the PJ is the definition of a "system coach", and I think he can be pretty creative.

9/30/2011 11:42:41 AM

^^
as much as i want to believe it, if the team is plagued by same issues for 4 out of 5 years that TOB has been around, measurable/fixable stuff is not really happening.

and did we really have 0 rushing yards in the cinci game? i couldnt watch the second half

9/30/2011 11:46:49 AM