ThatGoodLock All American 5697 Posts user info edit post |
even in the law school that i'm at they straight up tell you it doesn't matter how good you are, the recommended way to get a job is just to network till someone likes you and luck out 11/8/2011 11:11:15 PM |
UJustWait84 All American 25821 Posts user info edit post |
So what this thread has taught me is that capitalism works perfectly well for those who work hard, know the right people, and get lucky... 11/9/2011 2:02:10 AM |
GeniuSxBoY Suspended 16786 Posts user info edit post |
capitalism should work in a way that's compatible with the American dream.
however, it's come to our attention that it was taken from us millimeter by millimeter right under our noses. 11/9/2011 2:05:01 AM |
UJustWait84 All American 25821 Posts user info edit post |
Well it's obviously not working, because 150 million people are too lazy, unlikeable, or unfortunate enough to succeed
[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 11:04 AM. Reason : asdf] 11/9/2011 11:00:37 AM |
pack_bryan Suspended 5357 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " it's come to our attention that it was taken from us millimeter by millimeter right under our noses" |
how so?
did govt take away the ability to spend money literally anywhere and in any fashion you want or something? are you openly ignoring the fact that socialist and communist societies take away those privileges openly and outright?11/9/2011 11:04:48 AM |
pack_bryan Suspended 5357 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Well it's obviously not working, because 150 million people are too lazy, unlikeable, or unfortunate enough to succeed" |
exactly. the 99% vs 1% is complete shit and is fabricated to simply get free handouts and rob and plunder success.
it's 150 million vs 150 million in 2 groups:
the part that doesn't pay any taxes includes:
20 million = lazy (EBT) 10 million = unlikeable (EBT and OWS and mentally ill) 60 million = under employed at the moment because of illness(15 mil)/ bad decisions(40 mil)/ or bad luck (5 mil) 60 million = old and can't and don't need to work or young kids
the part that does pay taxes, builds up a working society, and basically babysits the group up above:
the other 150 million americans are hard workers, good decision makers, productive at work and keep jobs, mexicans, and generally persistent in the market place.
[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 11:15 AM. Reason : ,]11/9/2011 11:08:03 AM |
MinkaGrl01
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11/9/2011 11:11:03 AM |
face All American 8503 Posts user info edit post |
I really hope that no one in this thread truly believes that making money is "lucky".
You do realize there are numerous ways to make $100k, almost guaranteed.
Here's a few off the top of my head.
1) Get a professional degree
2) Get a job in sales and put forth effort
3) Get a professional designation and then get a job
4) Build your own business
5) Work a moderate paying job and save your income and invest it in assets that will produce income for you (this takes longer than 1-4, but requires much less effort)
6) Become really good at something that people are willing to pay you for. This could be entertainment, teaching a skill, gambling, etc (this one is more difficult that 1-5, and isn't possible for everyone. Tough shit.)
The common factor in all of these is effort. That's really all it takes to make $100k. Luck can help determine how quickly it happens or how much you might make beyond that. But effort is a common denominator.
You don't truly believe Doctors (#1), Salesmen (#2), Accountants (#3), Zuckerberg (#4), people who live frugally (#5), and NBA players (#6) are all just lucky, do you? 11/9/2011 2:07:50 PM |
GeniuSxBoY Suspended 16786 Posts user info edit post |
^the value of the money is worth less than it was 10 years ago.
the value of $100,000 doesn't get you as far as it did back in the day.
We need to focus on retaining the value.
i.e. pay off debts. i.e. stop printing money.
[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 2:32 PM. Reason : .] 11/9/2011 2:31:17 PM |
face All American 8503 Posts user info edit post |
While I certainly agree with that statement of fact, at the moment $100k is certainly enough to raise a family comfortably. Also bear in mind that most of the people in 1-6 are making more (and some many times over) $100k. 11/9/2011 2:37:15 PM |
BoobsR_gr8 All American 30000 Posts user info edit post |
Ssly why not protest something worth protesting. All the things wrong with the world and people are fighting about distribution of wealth in the richest country in the world. People in 75% of the world's countries would die so that their families could live in the USA being part of the 99%. 11/9/2011 2:45:48 PM |
McDanger All American 18835 Posts user info edit post |
lol yeah the problem is that people don't have enough incentive to hoard 11/9/2011 2:45:48 PM |
GeniuSxBoY Suspended 16786 Posts user info edit post |
We deserve to be better than the other countries because we worked for it.
There is nothing that says other countries can't be as rich as us. 11/9/2011 2:50:37 PM |
McDanger All American 18835 Posts user info edit post |
lol 11/9/2011 2:52:29 PM |
BoobsR_gr8 All American 30000 Posts user info edit post |
You just proved the hypocracy of the whole occupy movement.
I would say the majority of the 1% worked for it.
Now with your statement you are being the 1%. except for in the cases of people in 3rd world countries where they have no chance, People in the US actually have a chance of making a nice living for themselves with hard work 11/9/2011 2:54:26 PM |
David0603 All American 12764 Posts user info edit post |
^^^^
Yeah. Went to lunch with a coworker who lived in France for a while. He said you can't declare bankruptcy there, have to put up several hundred thousands of dollars earnest money when starting a new business, credit card debt is unheard of, and bouncing a check will pretty much get you black balled from every bank in the country. 11/9/2011 2:55:14 PM |
BoobsR_gr8 All American 30000 Posts user info edit post |
ahahaha i set him up for it 11/9/2011 2:59:24 PM |
McDanger All American 18835 Posts user info edit post |
it's pretty simple proceeds from economic activity have to come from consumption or investment
and nothing ensures this equals the amount required for full employment
dudes 11/9/2011 3:28:30 PM |
pack_bryan Suspended 5357 Posts user info edit post |
itt GeniuSxBoY admits that the whole united states is the 1% of the world because we WAIT FOR IT..... worked hard to get there.
you're a GeniuSxBoY
nice play-fake boobsrgreat. he fell into the truth too fast. he didn't have time to think about it try to skew it into lies.
[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 3:36 PM. Reason : ,] 11/9/2011 3:32:20 PM |
BobbyDigital Thots and Prayers 41777 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "You do realize there are numerous ways to make $100k, almost guaranteed." |
All of which are subject to the dynamics of supply and demand.
Here's the unemployment rate by education level:
Here's the education level as a proportion of overall population.
Let's just pretend we lived in a magical world where we could take everyone with a high school diploma or less-- that's 44% of the population 25 and over (or 44% of 200 million) and get them professional degrees.
Well, now you have a large number of educated unemployed people because there simply aren't enough jobs to go around even if you could educate everyone. The best case scenario is that the glut of skilled workers would lead to significantly lowered salaries, but disproportionate to any increase in opportunity.
Yes, it's absolutely true that there are lots of jobs that companies cannot fill due to a lack of qualified candidates, and there's no question that this exposes a gap in our education system, but the number of available highly skilled job openings is exceeded by the number of unemployed individuals many times over.
So it's intellectually dishonest to simply dismiss the unemployed and underemployed as lazy. There's simply not enough economic activity to bring our unemployment rate down to where it was 5 years ago.
[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 3:43 PM. Reason : is exceeded by. doh. ]11/9/2011 3:34:28 PM |
McDanger All American 18835 Posts user info edit post |
it's either "we worked for 100% of it" or "we worked for 0% of it" to you people ^^
[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 3:35 PM. Reason : .] 11/9/2011 3:35:00 PM |
ActionPants All American 9877 Posts user info edit post |
I can't wait to join the 1% by killing a bunch of natives and taking their land and then using slave labor to produce my wares
v yeah unemployment for recent college grads is like 10-15%. I dunno what unemployment for recent law grads is but it's high.
[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 3:41 PM. Reason : ] 11/9/2011 3:36:40 PM |
pack_bryan Suspended 5357 Posts user info edit post |
^can you name a western nation that has had slavery for the last several generations?
if you want to find some slavery, you're going to have to look in South Africa,Ethiopia,Chad, Mali,Mauritania,Sudan,Ghana, Togo, and Benin all ironically which are in africa
and i guess you think those same people sold to various countries 200 years ago would be better off there today too i suppose.
thanks for pointing out that simply having a 2 year degree or higher basically guarantees you are employed currently
/thread credit -> bobbydigital
[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 3:44 PM. Reason : ,] 11/9/2011 3:38:37 PM |
McDanger All American 18835 Posts user info edit post |
lol 11/9/2011 3:41:22 PM |
GeniuSxBoY Suspended 16786 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "We deserve to be better than the other countries because we worked for it.
There is nothing that says other countries can't be as rich as us." |
Do you understand that no other country gave us what we have? Do you understand that we invented our wealth.
Do you understand that we the people don't control our country anymore and everything is going to shit?11/9/2011 3:45:24 PM |
pack_bryan Suspended 5357 Posts user info edit post |
um a bubble popped in 2001-2003 also. we get it life is hard sometimes. it isn't a fucking piece of cake every single month of every single year
v he just can't stop. i say let him go. it will just end this sooner rather than later.
[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 3:50 PM. Reason : ,]11/9/2011 3:48:15 PM |
BoobsR_gr8 All American 30000 Posts user info edit post |
Do you understand that you're better off not commenting further on this as you have been shamed to insignificance? 11/9/2011 3:48:50 PM |
GeniuSxBoY Suspended 16786 Posts user info edit post |
You're living in your own world, boobs. 11/9/2011 3:49:43 PM |
McDanger All American 18835 Posts user info edit post |
yo genius boy the US has always played dirty pool, man 11/9/2011 3:49:52 PM |
GeniuSxBoY Suspended 16786 Posts user info edit post |
Whoooooo cares.
It doesn't make it right. 11/9/2011 3:50:41 PM |
ActionPants All American 9877 Posts user info edit post |
Well which is it? Are you basically guaranteed to be employed currently or not? 11/9/2011 3:51:01 PM |
pack_bryan Suspended 5357 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "we the people don't control our country anymore" |
yep. it's all in exxons hands now. they make all the laws. you got us. you win.11/9/2011 3:51:51 PM |
GeniuSxBoY Suspended 16786 Posts user info edit post |
change "exxon" to "corporationssss" and you got yourself a valid sentence. 11/9/2011 3:52:39 PM |
pack_bryan Suspended 5357 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Well which is it? Are you basically guaranteed to be employed currently or not?" |
do you not watch tv? literally every single moron out there is complaining that they can't land a 75k job or higher. reporters are basically showing them job openings on the same sidewalks they are dancing on, and they are spitting in their faces.
man the fuck up and make 10 dollars an hour until you can get a real job???? shit man. if you do that interim job well you might just get a promotion because of a baby boomer retiring or some aweful shit.
god damn. it's almost pathetic at this point to comment.11/9/2011 3:54:17 PM |
McDanger All American 18835 Posts user info edit post |
haha the only thing that's pathetic is your reliance on the dummy media and the lies they pipe to you
[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 3:55 PM. Reason : .] 11/9/2011 3:54:52 PM |
GeniuSxBoY Suspended 16786 Posts user info edit post |
pack_bryan, the media is run by corporations. the news presented to you is screened by corporations. 11/9/2011 3:57:00 PM |
pack_bryan Suspended 5357 Posts user info edit post |
so you morons are saying actual video of actual people saying actual sentences with no breaks in the feed is censored 'lying media'?
[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 3:57 PM. Reason : l] 11/9/2011 3:57:11 PM |
ActionPants All American 9877 Posts user info edit post |
I don't watch TV because I'm usually working too much 11/9/2011 3:57:32 PM |
GeniuSxBoY Suspended 16786 Posts user info edit post |
absolutely.
they do it in fiction films all the time. 11/9/2011 3:57:55 PM |
McDanger All American 18835 Posts user info edit post |
what i'm saying is that the interviews that the media chooses to show you is the equivalent of going to the south and picking somebody like you (or any member of your family) as a representative. you'd get on TV, dribble oatmeal onto your chin, and people would laugh at the south as usual 11/9/2011 3:58:30 PM |
GeniuSxBoY Suspended 16786 Posts user info edit post |
LoL... what's spike tv's motto?
It's not reality, It's actuality. 11/9/2011 3:58:41 PM |
pack_bryan Suspended 5357 Posts user info edit post |
for the 'corporations' no doubt
while i'm being lied to by actual crystal clear 1080p live feed from the actual sidewalks where real actual human beings are expressing bullshit opinions in broad daylight.
right 11/9/2011 4:00:57 PM |
McDanger All American 18835 Posts user info edit post |
do you know what the fuck a video camera is 11/9/2011 4:01:23 PM |
ActionPants All American 9877 Posts user info edit post |
Man we really do need to restart this thread with some basic assumptions laid out 11/9/2011 4:07:48 PM |
McDanger All American 18835 Posts user info edit post |
no we're just bein trolled or whatever i guess
but sometimes i think kindly on the lurkers and decide to post 11/9/2011 4:09:49 PM |
State Oz All American 1897 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "man the fuck up and make 10 dollars an hour until you can get a real job???? shit man. if you do that interim job well you might just get a promotion because of a baby boomer retiring or some aweful shit. " |
Or, it's more likely that they view you working for $10/hour as being for some extenuating reason, and not as a career. Why promote you to assistant department manager for $12.50/hour when it won't be long before you leave for a job that requires your degree and pays you more?
A decade of raises at Kroger or Toys R Us probably gets you to your post-college starting salary in your chosen degree field.
[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 4:13 PM. Reason : .]11/9/2011 4:11:40 PM |
pack_bryan Suspended 5357 Posts user info edit post |
^yeh man those are the only options available.
also. whats the fuck-up about making only 40k a year? is it like a 'requirement' now that everybody makes 60k a year just to fucking survive?
hang on i need to go watch a youtube video of some OWS'ers that were CGI'd into the video with better than Avatar level graphics/lighting and sound
lol
[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 4:22 PM. Reason : ,] 11/9/2011 4:19:13 PM |
settledown Suspended 11583 Posts user info edit post |
so basically you're admitting you've formed your opinion about the goals of the OWS movement by watching a few carefully selected interviews of dumbasses?
cool, now i understand and can comfortably disregard everything you say 11/9/2011 5:17:01 PM |
LiusClues New Recruit 13824 Posts user info edit post |
They shut down the Yard to everybody but those with IDs because we have students protesting right now.
http://occupyharvard.tumblr.com/ 11/9/2011 8:21:23 PM |
ActionPants All American 9877 Posts user info edit post |
http://toomuchonline.org/madison-ave-declares-mass-affluence-over/ 11/9/2011 8:33:48 PM |