Like your one vote matters. As long as your decision to vote for whoever doesn't influence another then vote for whoever the fuck you want.

3/11/2016 7:36:29 PM

Vote for Sanders

3/11/2016 7:42:57 PM

Quote :

"I was thinking to add more votes to non-trump totals to take some steam out of trump, to reduce any chance of him being president. The lower his percentage, the greater the chance of a brokered convention."

nah man. it's going to be close in NC. we lost by huge margins in the rest of the south because the campaign didn't invest in ground game.

we will win ohio and missouri. illinois is possible. NC is possible. Florida we'll probably lose even w/ substantial investment, but the campaign is trying to minimize the delegate gap there.

and then after the 15th it's game fucking on

[Edited on March 11, 2016 at 7:49 PM. Reason : .]

3/11/2016 7:46:17 PM

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/north-carolina-democratic/

Doesn't seem like it's going to be close; the projected results are 63 Clinton, 33 Sanders, and we're only a few days away.

3/12/2016 10:25:06 AM

Get that noise outta here, this is the REPUBLICAN thread.

3/12/2016 10:52:12 AM

Weekend results:

Virgin Islands: they directly elect 6 of the 9 delegates, this very small party voted for 6 candidates all Uncommitted to a presidential candidate. A little controversy here as 3 of the winning candidates were under investigation locally for carpetbagging and not being real residents. So someone is orchestrating something.

District of Columbia: to show this city is off in its own little world, Rubio won with 37% and Kasich was next with 36%, Rubio got 10 delegates and Kasich 9

Guam: ditto the Virgin Islands minus the alleged carpetbaggers, but Cruz got 1 person voted in committed to him

Wyoming: they do theirs in a piecemeal fashion, this weekend was County conventions, results were Cruz 9, Trump 1, Rubio 1, Uncommitted 1

Count is Trump 464 (43%), Cruz 372, Rubio 166, Kasich 63, Others 15

Florida: 99 delegates, winner take all
Illinois: 69 delegates, not winner take all but close to it
Missouri : 52 delegates, winner take most
North Carolina: 72 delegates, proportional
Ohio: 66 delegates, winner take all
Northern Marianas: 9 delegates, winner take all

3/14/2016 9:15:29 AM

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/10/a_contested_republican_convention_explained.html

An Extremely Detailed Guide to What the Heck Might Happen at a GOP Contested Convention

By Josh Voorhees

for any question you've ever had

3/14/2016 6:09:21 PM

http://theslot.jezebel.com/sad-marco-rubio-on-the-way-out-is-deeply-sonned-by-fo-1764842124

3/15/2016 11:29:54 AM

rubio out.

as a florida resident i kinda feel bad since i definitely voted for trump

3/15/2016 8:24:22 PM

^ lol

3/15/2016 8:28:33 PM

Kasich wins Ohio.

One step closer to chaos!

3/15/2016 8:49:22 PM

So who gets rubios delegates?

3/15/2016 9:48:48 PM

As I understand it, suspended campaigns keep their delegates for the first vote

3/15/2016 10:03:23 PM

The short answer is it varies on a state by state basis and is also dependent on what names are officially put into nomination. It also depends on whether the candidate releases them.

3/16/2016 12:29:49 PM

Paul Ryan should have ran this year.

3/16/2016 4:56:38 PM

He's playing hard to get. Likes to tease.

3/16/2016 5:49:46 PM

i thought he was the only person who could be speaker. if he was president then there would be no viable speaker.

3/16/2016 7:25:28 PM

^^ Not a bad strategy. Someone once said "a man shouldn't seek the presidency, the presidency should seek the man."

3/17/2016 7:56:32 AM

Quote :

"Paul Ryan should have ran this year."

He would have gotten my vote

3/17/2016 8:21:08 AM

Doing some looking forward math with delegates with educated guesses. I gave Kasich more support than he's getting now based on Rubio dropping out and we're going to more blue states coming up. Whether Trump becomes the nominee pre-convention will depend on him winning the California primary on June 7th. It's a winner take all state with 172 delegates.

[Edited on March 17, 2016 at 8:51 AM. Reason : .]

3/17/2016 8:50:30 AM

I still can't believe Rubio is out SO early. He was like knocked out by one punch in the face.

3/17/2016 10:33:31 AM

Cruz is going to have to change his point of view on a brokered convention soon.

3/17/2016 11:05:39 AM

^ Why? He's clearly in second place and could easily make the case he'd have many more delegates if Rubio had dropped out before March 15. It's going to be very difficult for Trump to get to 1237 as long as Cruz remains, especially if the delusional Kasich finally runs out of money and has to drop out with even more votes likely going to Cruz.

3/17/2016 12:20:47 PM

Quote :

"could easily make the case he'd have many more delegates if Rubio had dropped out before March 15"

What exactly does that have to do with the delegate math above, or the associated point you're replying to?

But speaking of Cruz:

3/17/2016 12:23:07 PM

Just bolstering the point that he doesn't need to revisit his position on a brokered convention based on current delegate math.

3/17/2016 12:28:51 PM

The only way Cruz will be able to win in a few weeks is for the convention to be brokered. Without the support of Uncommitteds and other candidates' delegates, he'd be mathematically incapable of reaching 1237.

[Edited on March 17, 2016 at 1:23 PM. Reason : .]

3/17/2016 1:21:36 PM

Agree it's almost impossible he wins outright. My point was only that the Donald isn't guaranteed a delegate majority if Cruz stays in. Maybe I misunderstood your statement that he'll have to change his point of view. Math based problem solving does frighten and confuse me easily and you did use a lot of numbers and numerals and such.

[Edited on March 17, 2016 at 1:31 PM. Reason : strike that, I think he already has over 50%]

3/17/2016 1:30:18 PM

Quote :

"Just bolstering the point that he doesn't need to revisit his position on a brokered convention based on current delegate math."

So you actually think he can win 90% of the remaining delegates?

[Edited on March 17, 2016 at 1:52 PM. Reason : V sure, right after you said you were bolstering the idea he doesn't need a brokered convention]

[Edited on March 17, 2016 at 1:52 PM. Reason : math is hard! wtf does 90% even mean?????????]

3/17/2016 1:45:49 PM

I just said I agree it's almost impossible he wins outright.

3/17/2016 1:48:36 PM

-Cruz won't win based on delegates
-Cruz isn't going to get "designated" in a contested convention

I see no way for Cruz to win. Cruz supporters are only slightly less delusional than Bernie at this point.

3/17/2016 8:05:42 PM

I assume Cruz is hanging on until Kasich runs out of financial backing, and once that happens he has leverage with Trump to get something out of dropping out, whether that be a cabinet position or a VP ticket.

3/17/2016 8:39:54 PM

If they try to pull something and give the nomination to someone other than Trump when he has a majority of the delegates they will be digging their own grave because I would nearly guarantee Trump would go third party. I don't think he would if he didn't have the majority of the delegates but that's not happening.

3/17/2016 8:47:41 PM

Quote :

"If they try to pull something and give the nomination to someone other than Trump when he has a majority of the delegates they will be digging their own grave because I would nearly guarantee Trump would go third party. I don't think he would if he didn't have the majority of the delegates but that's not happening."

The theories I've heard, which I think are credible, is that the GOP views losing as better than nominating Trump. If Trump wins, they lose the party.

3/17/2016 9:00:33 PM

Quote :

"If they try to pull something and give the nomination to someone other than Drumpf when he has a majority of the delegates..."

That's all assuming he doesn't win outright, which he has a pretty good shot at.

3/17/2016 9:03:24 PM

Quote :

"The theories I've heard, which I think are credible, is that the GOP views losing as better than nominating Trump. If Trump wins, they lose the party."

I wouldn't doubt it but I think if they do that and Hillary wins they lose the party. People would be furious.

3/17/2016 9:37:07 PM

Quote :

" If Trump wins, they lose the party. "

they also won't magically heal/fix their party by blocking Trump from getting the nomination. i feel like it's too late for that. the divide within the party has been exposed so badly during this....they might lose the party no matter what.

3/17/2016 9:44:14 PM

60% of the party isn't voting for trump so far, it wouldn't be mathematically wrong or usual for someone more broadly acceptable to be nominated. Trumps muddying the waters saying bad things will happen. More people don't want trump to be the nominee, and considering trumps record unfavorability, it would be a bad idea all around to nominate trump, in addition to being the less democratic thing to do.

In a multiple voting system, trump would most likely lose, and nothing is unfair about this , this should be the message the GOP is pushing.

3/17/2016 10:45:23 PM

The one positive of this whole thing is that it has exposed the parties for being completely undemocratic. I was hopeful that it would happen in both parties, but it looks like only the GOP will be broken apart.

Parties aren't particularly enthused about being held to the will of the people, that's why they have the rules they have. What's funny is that the Democrats have even more firewalls in place for this kind of thing than the Republicans. Up until now the party leadership hasn't had this kind of grass roots/outsider situation. They really should have seen something like this coming though given the splintering that had occurred in the last few elections and the rise of the "tea party" faction. If they had they would have put something like the super delegate safeguard in place before this election cycle.

3/18/2016 12:08:27 AM

Quote :

"60% of the party isn't voting for trump so far,"

Right, but by my rough count 50% has, delegate wise.

3/18/2016 12:16:18 AM

^^
The democrats are worse in that regard. A direct democracy always ends in mob rule, this is what the constitution was created to avoid, there's no virtue in embracing direct democracy in the primary level. If anything, it shows the need for a better voting method (instant runoff voting or similar system). A multiple voting method is most ideal at the primary level I think.

If trump were people's #2 favorite then he would win handily, but if it were Kasich or Rubio, this would solve the problems the GOP is having.

3/18/2016 12:30:14 AM

^^It's also a little bit pointless. I'm not about to do the math, but if you remove the votes that have gone to people who are or will be ineligible for the candidacy (have to win 8 states, etc.) and have withdrawn he may actually be over 50% now.

There's still a long way to go, but it's shaping up to be a gloriously entertaining disaster in Cleveland.

[Edited on March 18, 2016 at 12:36 AM. Reason : sdfsdf]

3/18/2016 12:31:09 AM

Quote :

" A direct democracy always ends in mob rule, this is what the constitution was created to avoid"

Yup. And yet we've foolishly eliminated many of the things in place to add more separation and diffusion of power (direct election of senators, VP no longer being the person who gets second most presidential delegates, etc.). Our political system is a complete clusterfuck and isn't well suited to running a large country anyway. We have so many of the same problems as Rome. A system set up for a single city-state doesn't work well when you expand it into an empire. Our system was set up for a small, agrarian, low population country with very limited central power.

3/18/2016 12:39:57 AM

I'd be perfectly happy with the Republican party splitting in two. The Freedom Caucus in the House has already by fact done that in a sense by holding a veto to Boehner and then McCarthy. In the short-term it'd benefit the Democrats but in the long-term there's large sections of the country they'd be kicked out of 2nd party status.

The two parties nowadays only exist for ballot access and because a majority of the electorate will only vote for a Rep or Dem, that's it, and I'm thankful to Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders for illustrating that.

Regarding the Rule 40 "majority of delegates", Cruz picked up one more when Rubio withdrew. Alaska reallocated proportionally the delegates of those that drop out, so it went from Cruz 12-11-5 to Cruz 15-13. So he now has 5. He should get #6 in Utah next week. (If Cruz can't beat Trump in Utah, he should quit.)

He has to get 8, but there are going to be 7 slates in some form of Uncommitted at the end. Rubio had all 23 delegates from Puerto Rico and won D.C. 10-9 over Kasich (in reality, if he stays in this should go to Kasich). The Virgin Islands and Guam are officially Uncommitted. And American Samoa, North Dakota, and Pennsylvania based on their rules will be Uncommitted. So Cruz, Kasich, or some late entry could in theory be put up for nomination by any or all of these.

[Edited on March 18, 2016 at 9:23 AM. Reason : .]

3/18/2016 9:03:13 AM

Quote :

"I still can't believe Rubio is out SO early. He was like knocked out by one punch in the face. "

I figured he would stick around for the brokered convention......

By the way, what is the drama with the Wyoming votes?

3/18/2016 1:15:59 PM

so Kasich is the only one who even came close to a somewhat maybe kinda sorta OK answer to the whole Brussles thing and he STILL thought that the office of the President of the United States should basically be paralyzed by overseas events and cease all diplomatic actions to go home and do nothing.

This GOP field is so amazingly trash.

3/22/2016 10:13:31 PM

I think it is now safe to say there is no longer any chance of a Trump/Cruz ticket coming together at or before the convention. How is it that Trump has lived this long without getting into multiple fisticuff encounters?

3/25/2016 10:42:42 AM

I think it's safe to say there was never a chance for a Trump/Cruz ticket

[Edited on March 25, 2016 at 2:59 PM. Reason : Imma chalk that up to wishful thinking on your part]

3/25/2016 2:58:50 PM

^^ wasn't he sent off to boarding school for fighting?

But he was always rich enough to have body guards and sycophants as advisors, so i imagine that helps...

3/25/2016 3:03:45 PM

I wish there were another debate. We might have seen an actual fistfight.

3/25/2016 3:05:01 PM

It's pretty nuts how trump is ripping through the GOP, trashing Fox News, tarnishing the brand. Democrats haven't been able to do this much damage in 10 years of trying.

Also kinda scary how trump is making me feel bad for Ted Cruz.

3/25/2016 4:47:46 PM