popular sci has been thru an exhaustive point by point refute as sci am states

why not refute their refutation?

5/30/2005 10:28:57 PM

He "refuted" it by pointing out that the author is a satanic zionist member of the NWO.

5/31/2005 9:29:33 AM

he was an elite jew also.

[Edited on May 31, 2005 at 9:34 AM. Reason : .]

5/31/2005 9:33:58 AM

ohhh

ok

5/31/2005 10:55:06 PM

Sibel Edmonds knows, but she can't speak.

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"Court Allows Government to Use Secrecy to Avoid Accountability FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: media@aclu.org WASHINGTON—In a one-line order with no explanation, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia today upheld the dismissal of FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds’ case, despite a Justice Department Inspector General’s report which concluded that Edmonds’ whistleblower allegations were in fact “the most significant factor” in the FBI’s decision to terminate her. “First the government claims that everything about me is a state secret, then the court hearing is closed to the public, and now the court issues a decision without any public explanation. The government is going to great lengths to cover up its mistakes,” Edmonds said. “If the courts aren’t going to protect us, then Congress must act.” "

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=18196&c=206

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"Former FBI Translator Sibel Edmonds Calls Current 9/11 Investigation Inadequate by Jim Hogue "If they were to do real investigations we would see several significant high level criminal prosecutions in this country. And that is something that they are not going to let out. And, believe me; they will do everything to cover this up." -Sibel Edmonds, former FBI translator INTRODUCTION: Sibel Edmonds and Behrooz Sarshar, beginning in December of 2001, began filing reports to their superiors at the FBI. These reports could lead to the collapse of a corrupt power structure that has a stranglehold on the very institutions that are obligated to control it. We cannot excuse these institutions, for while they fiddle, they pass death sentences on their own troops, and on the people of Afghanistan and Iraq. On April 30th, Sibel Edmonds was my guest for 50 minutes on WGDR radio. What follows is an edited transcript of the interview. The editing is for the sake of a more readable piece. Sibel Edmonds is a former FBI translator. She blew the whistle on the cover-up of intelligence that names some of the culprits who orchestrated the 9/11 attacks. These culprits are protected by the Justice Department, the State Department, the FBI, the White House and the Senate Judiciary Committee. They are foreign nationals and Americans. Ms. Edmonds is under two gag orders that forbid her to testify in court or mention the names of the people or the countries involved."

http://baltimorechronicle.com/050704SibelEdmonds.shtml

6/4/2005 2:02:39 AM

9/11 Whitewasher Grilled By Informed C-Span Callers
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/090605whitewashergrilled.htm

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"Wednesday's Alex Jones Show featured an analysis of former Vice Chairman of the 9/11 Commission Lee Hamilton's appearance on C-Span. During the course of the Washington Journal show they took around a dozen calls. Over half of them raised salient points pertaining to government involvement in 9/11. Hamilton and Brian Lamb squirmed as they attempted to dismiss the information as conspiracy theory, even when callers were quoting from actual Commission testimony. Issues such as the wargames on September 11, the collapse of Building 7 and the NORAD stand down were forcefully impressed upon Hamilton as he used the usual tactics to try and deflect them."

Video of the show provided at link above. More and more people are waking up to the truth about 9/11. Before long, the "nuts" and "whackos" are going to be those who still believe the government's version of 9/11.

6/9/2005 12:48:05 PM

I'm actually pretty certain that the "nuts" and "whackos" will always be the people who are convinced that every world event is actually caused by the satanic jews who run every aspect of the world and are trying to move mankind closer to global government. You know, those nutjobs who continually post links to conspiracy websites and who believe their claims like its the gospel.

6/9/2005 2:04:34 PM

oh no he didn't

6/9/2005 2:34:49 PM

psst....the Independent Counsel statute expired at midnight September 11, 2001. Coincidence?......

http://www.answers.com/topic/united-states-office-of-the-independent-counsel

[Edited on June 9, 2005 at 7:33 PM. Reason : sp]

6/9/2005 7:32:47 PM

Yes, it was most likely a coincidence.

Do you really want to go down the same dumb road that salisburyboy took?

6/10/2005 10:00:29 AM

dude....he is already there.....no one takes a word he says seriously

6/10/2005 1:18:52 PM

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/27302.htm

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"Former Bush Team Member Says WTC Collapse Likely A Controlled Demolition And 'Inside Job' Highly recognized former chief economist in Labor Department now doubts official 9/11 story, claiming suspicious facts and evidence cover-up indicate government foul play and possible criminal implications. June 12, 2005 By Greg Szymanski A former chief economist in the Labor Department during President Bush's first term now believes the official story about the collapse of the WTC is 'bogus,' saying it is more likely that a controlled demolition destroyed the Twin Towers and adjacent Building No. 7. "If demolition destroyed three steel skyscrapers at the World Trade Center on 9/11, then the case for an 'inside job' and a government attack on America would be compelling," said Morgan Reynolds, Ph.D, a former member of the Bush team who also served as director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis headquartered in Dallas, TX. Reynolds, now a professor emeritus at Texas A&M University, also believes it's 'next to impossible' that 19 Arab Terrorists alone outfoxed the mighty U.S. military, adding the scientific conclusions about the WTC collapse may hold the key to the entire mysterious plot behind 9/11. "It is hard to exaggerate the importance of a scientific debate over the cause(s) of the collapse of the twin towers and building 7," said Reynolds this week from his offices at Texas A&M. "If the official wisdom on the collapses is wrong, as I believe it is, then policy based on such erroneous engineering analysis is not likely to be correct either. The government's collapse theory is highly vulnerable on its own terms. Only professional demolition appears to account for the full range of facts associated with the collapse of the three buildings."

6/13/2005 6:43:46 PM

Here's an article by Morgan Reynolds, the former chief economist for the US Department of Labor under George W. Bush.

Why Did the Trade Center Skyscrapers Collapse?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds12.html

6/13/2005 6:50:01 PM

so, I'm supposed to believe an ECONOMIST'S fucking opinion on an ENGINEERING matter?

6/13/2005 6:52:03 PM

psssst

V
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050613-102755-6408r.htm

6/14/2005 9:46:23 PM

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"WTC 7 Collapse CLAIM: Seven hours after the two towers fell, the 47-story WTC 7 collapsed. According to 911review.org: "The video clearly shows that it was not a collapse subsequent to a fire, but rather a controlled demolition: amongst the Internet investigators, the jury is in on this one." FACT: Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom--approximately 10 stories--about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner. NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse. According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down." There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities. Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time." WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors--along with the building's unusual construction--were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse."

6/14/2005 10:16:12 PM

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"Intact Windows CLAIM: Many Pentagon windows remained in one piece--even those just above the point of impact from the Boeing 757 passenger plane. Pentagonstrike.co.uk, an online animation widely circulated in the United States and Europe, claims that photographs showing "intact windows" directly above the crash site prove "a missile" or "a craft much smaller than a 757" struck the Pentagon. FACT: Some windows near the impact area did indeed survive the crash. But that's what the windows were supposed to do--they're blast-resistant. "A blast-resistant window must be designed to resist a force significantly higher than a hurricane that's hitting instantaneously," says Ken Hays, executive vice president of Masonry Arts, the Bessemer, Ala., company that designed, manufactured and installed the Pentagon windows. Some were knocked out of the walls by the crash and the outer ring's later collapse. "They were not designed to receive wracking seismic force," Hays notes. "They were designed to take in inward pressure from a blast event, which apparently they did: [Before the collapse] the blinds were still stacked neatly behind the window glass.""

[Edited on June 14, 2005 at 10:20 PM. Reason : -]

6/14/2005 10:18:38 PM

Former Bush Admin Economist Says Official Story of WTC Collapse 'Bogus'
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050613-102755-6408r.htm

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"A former Bush team member during his first administration is now voicing serious doubts about the collapse of the World Trade Center on 9-11. Former chief economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term Morgan Reynolds comments that the official story about the collapse of the WTC is "bogus" and that it is more likely that a controlled demolition destroyed the Twin Towers and adjacent Building No. 7. Reynolds, who also served as director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis in Dallas and is now professor emeritus at Texas A&M University said, "If demolition destroyed three steel skyscrapers at the World Trade Center on 9/11, then the case for an 'inside job' and a government attack on America would be compelling." Reynolds commented from his Texas A&M office, "It is hard to exaggerate the importance of a scientific debate over the cause of the collapse of the twin towers and building 7. If the official wisdom on the collapses is wrong, as I believe it is, then policy based on such erroneous engineering analysis is not likely to be correct either. The government's collapse theory is highly vulnerable on its own terms. Only professional demolition appears to account for the full range of facts associated with the collapse of the three buildings." "

Former Bush Cabinet Member Appears On Alex Jones Show; Says Government Complicit In 9/11 (audio of interview at link below)
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/reynolds_on_jones_show.htm

6/17/2005 6:06:37 PM

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"so, I'm supposed to believe an ECONOMIST'S fucking opinion on an ENGINEERING matter?"

6/17/2005 8:37:58 PM

^^

please stop posting

"person X says omfg conspiracy"



rebut the science if you are actually serious

6/17/2005 10:23:02 PM

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"rebut the science if you are actually serious"

Buhwahahahahahahaha

You need to get serious. The official explanation of the collapse of the twin towers and building 7 defy science and logic.

What about the collapse of WTC Building 7? There was no major damage to it, and it collapsed in a symmetrical fashion. Modern steel buildings just don't collapse for no apparent reason or from a few small fires. THEN... Larry Silverstein, the leaseholder of the WTC complex, ADMITS that Building 7 was brought down in a controlled demolition. IT IS CLEAR THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS LYING ABOUT BUILDING 7. Why are they lying? Why has the media been silent about the true cause of the collapse of Building 7?

Take the twin towers. The official story is the "pancake theory." But if you look at the video of the collapse, that explanation is clearly false. The buildings fell too quickly for that to be the case. The videos show explosive charges going off well below the collapsed area. The firefighters and other witnesses have reported hearing bombs going off in the building.

The official government story on 9/11 flies in the face of science and logic. The official story is completely bogus. Think about it. 19 guys masterminded by a guy who lives in a cave supposedly outsmart the most sophisticated military and intelligence agencies in the world. Not only that, we are to believe that these bosos pulled off the most sophisticated terrorist attack in world history. That's only scratching the surface of the absurdity of the official story. We're supposed to believe that incompetent pilots who flunked out of flight schools and didn't even have the skills to fly a Cesna were able to fly commercial airliners? Oh...and it later comes out that many of the men originally identified as the "hijackers" are ALIVE. Is it not suspicious that the media and government don't seem very interested in this?

What about the fact that the U.S. Government was planning to invade Afghanistan PRIOR to 9/11?

The absurdities in the official story go on an on...the "hijacker's passport" that supposedly survived the crash into the WTC towers and was "found" near the WTC Complex...the completely bogus bin Laden tapes...the fact that the U.S. Air Force failed to respond to apparent hijackings according to standard procedure on the morning of 9/11.

6/19/2005 12:57:54 PM

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"There was no major damage to it, and it collapsed in a symmetrical fashion. Modern steel buildings just don't collapse for no apparent reason or from a few small fires."

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""The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom--approximately 10 stories--about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner. NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse. According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down." There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities. Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time." WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors--along with the building's unusual construction--were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.""

[Edited on June 19, 2005 at 4:03 PM. Reason : 4]

6/19/2005 4:01:25 PM

hahah he can't even spell "bozo" correctly

6/19/2005 4:08:03 PM

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"Take the twin towers. The official story is the "pancake theory." But if you look at the video of the collapse, that explanation is clearly false. The buildings fell too quickly for that to be the case. The videos show explosive charges going off well below the collapsed area."

Since when do you know anything about controlled demolitions? Oh wait, you don't. You're like one of those prehistoric people who had to make up silly explanations for everything that they didn't understand. I guess that the concept of thousands of tons of debris generating air pressure is just too much for you to comprehend.

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"The firefighters and other witnesses have reported hearing bombs going off in the building."

"The high winds of a tornado can cause a roar that is often compared with the sound of a freight train."
http://www.disastercenter.com/guide/tornado.html

Using your logic, this means that all tornadoes are actually freight trains.

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"Think about it. 19 guys masterminded by a guy who lives in a cave supposedly outsmart the most sophisticated military and intelligence agencies in the world. Not only that, we are to believe that these bosos pulled off the most sophisticated terrorist attack in world history."

...and this is exactly why go to such great lengths to rationalize 9/11. You just can't stand the thought of being vulnerable to outside attack. You can feel safe thinking that America is still impervious to the threat posed by its enemies. Your silly little theories are just a safety blanket that allow you to escape from the random and complex events that fill the world. They give you the illusion of control.

Wise up or shut up, dumb dumb.

6/20/2005 12:29:58 PM

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""Take the twin towers. The official story is the "pancake theory." But if you look at the video of the collapse, that explanation is clearly false. The buildings fell too quickly for that to be the case. The videos show explosive charges going off well below the collapsed area.""

i'm pretty sure it didn't topple over
although i guess the videos could have been doctored

6/20/2005 12:33:28 PM

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"Think about it. 19 guys masterminded by a guy who lives in a cave"

a guy who was trained by the best Intelligence agency in the world. a guy trained to be invisible and to carry out attacks with limited resources. a guy TRAINED to do what he feels needs to be done.

6/20/2005 12:52:38 PM

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"The videos show explosive charges going off well below the collapsed area"

how do you know thats not the structure collapsing? you dont.


if bush mastermindinded this attack, why blow up this building? it was already gonna come down, and its not like it would have mattered had it did either way


it makes NO SENSE!

6/20/2005 4:37:59 PM

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/28031.htm

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"WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High; Eye Witness Testimony Is Conclusive That North Tower Collapsed From Controlled Demolition WTC janitor pulls burn victim to safety after basement explosion rocks north tower seconds before jetliner hit top floors. Also, two other men trapped and drowning in a basement elevator shaft, were also pulled to safety from underground explosion. June 24, 2005 By Greg Szymanski His eyewitness account, backed up by at least 14 people at the scene with him, isn’t speculation or conjecture. It isn’t a story that takes a network out on a journalistic limb. It’s a story that can be backed up, a story that can be verified with hospital records and testimony from many others. It’s a story about 14 people who felt and heard the same explosion and even saw Rodriguez, moments after the airplane hit, take David to safety, after he was burnt so bad from the basement explosion flesh was hanging from his face and both arms So why didn’t NBC or any other major news outlets cover the story? They didn’t run it because it shot the government story to hell and back. They didn’t run it because "the powers that be" wouldn’t allow it. Since 9/11, Rodriguez has stuck to his guns, never wavering from what he said from day one. Left homeless at times, warned to keep quiet and subtly harassed, he nevertheless has continued trying to tell get his message out in the face of a country not willing to listen."

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/27928.htm

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"Former Asst. Sec. Of Treasury Under Reagan Doubts Official 9/11 Story; Claims Neo Con Agenda Is As 'Insane As Hitler And Nazi Party When They Invaded Russia In Dead Of Winter' June 22, 2005 By Greg Szymanski A former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under President Reagan stepped back into the political spotlight this week, expressing doubt about the official 9/11 story and claiming "if they lied to us about Ruby Ridge, Waco and weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, why should we believe them now." Paul Craig Roberts, listed by Who’s Who in America as one of the 1,000 most influential political thinkers in the world, has evolved over the years into a major Bush basher as well as neo con critic."

6/25/2005 5:27:39 PM

Former MI5 Agent Says 9/11 An Inside Job
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/270605insidejob.htm

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"Attack Was 'Coup de'tat,' Buildings Were Demolished By Controlled Demolitions Prison Planet | June 27 2005 Former MI5 agent David Shayler, who previously blew the whistle on the British government paying Al Qaeda $200,000 to carry out political assassinations, has gone on the record with his conviction that 9/11 was an inside job meant to bring about a permanent state of emergency in America and pave the way for the invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq and ultimately Iran and Syria."

6/27/2005 11:48:34 AM

OH MY GOD!!! YOU THINK THAT IT WAS A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION?!?! WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY SO SOONER!?!?!?!

I SURE HOPE THAT YOU HAVE SOME WILD AND UNSUBSTANTIATED EVIDENCE THAT USES COINCIDENCE AND CONJECTURE TO POINT US IN THE GENERAL DIRECTION OF WHAT YOU CLAIM IS A FACT!!!

6/27/2005 11:59:03 AM

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"His eyewitness account, backed up by at least 14 people at the scene with him, isn’t speculation or conjecture. It isn’t a story that takes a network out on a journalistic limb. It’s a story that can be backed up, a story that can be verified with hospital records and testimony from many others."

but isn't that still speculation and conjecture?

6/27/2005 12:00:57 PM

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"His eyewitness account, backed up by at least 14 people at the scene with him, isn’t speculation or conjecture. It isn’t a story that takes a network out on a journalistic limb. It’s a story that can be backed up, a story that can be verified with hospital records and testimony from many others."

So why haven't the 14 people come forward with their testimony? Why didn't anyone see smoke rising from the basement of the WTC? Why didn't any of those evacuated suffer from smoke inhalation as was the case in the 1993 bombing?

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"Since 9/11, Rodriguez has stuck to his guns, never wavering from what he said from day one. Left homeless at times, warned to keep quiet and subtly harassed, he nevertheless has continued trying to tell get his message out in the face of a country not willing to listen."

So the organization that leveled several blocks of New York City, killing thousands of people, could do no more than "subtly harrass" a janitor? Apparently this guy could have blown the lid off of their entire carefully orchestrated conspiracy, and all that they are willing to do is to subtly harass him and warn him to keep quiet? No that he's gone public why haven't they killed him? Thats how a threat works.

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"Former Asst. Sec. Of Treasury Under Reagan Doubts Official 9/11 Story; Claims Neo Con Agenda Is As 'Insane As Hitler And Nazi Party When They Invaded Russia In Dead Of Winter'"

Well, since the Nazi invasion of Russia began on June 22, 1941, I would say that this guy has no idea what he is taling about.

Once again, why should we be listening to another economist about something like this?

6/27/2005 12:19:47 PM

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"The following are suggested as tools for testing arguments and detecting fallacious or fraudulent arguments: * Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts * Encourage substantive debate on the evidence by knowledgeable proponents of all points of view. * Arguments from authority carry little weight (in science there are no "authorities"). * Spin more than one hypothesis - don't simply run with the first idea that caught your fancy. * Try not to get overly attached to a hypothesis just because it's yours. * Quantify, wherever possible. * If there is a chain of argument every link in the chain must work. * "Occam's razor" - if there are two hypothesis that explain the data equally well choose the simpler. * Ask whether the hypothesis can, at least in principle, be falsified (shown to be false by some unambiguous test). In other words, it is testable? Can others duplicate the experiment and get the same result? "

6/28/2005 3:09:15 AM

Reaction To Bush Insider Claim WTC Collapse Bogus Gets 'Huge Response' And Read By Millions Worldwide
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/290605hugeresponse.htm

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"After the dust settled, a former chief economist in Labor Department shocked by enormous support for his story and vows to keep writing about glaring inconsistencies in government's version of 9/11. Greg Szymanski | June 29 2005 ... Two weeks ago, the former chief economist in the Labor Department during President Bush’s first term told the world he thought the WTC fell from a controlled demolition, indicating 9/11 was "an inside government job." Reynolds, a respected economist and former Republican conservative, made his claims after researching many aspects of 9/11, including scientific and engineering data for and against the government story. ... "I had a huge response and it really was amazing. I never expected so many people to respond so passionately," said Reynolds this week in a telephone interview. "I literally received hundreds and hundred of emails, some agreeing with me and others, of course, disagreeing. "After it was all said and done, as things are starting to finally quiet down now, I would guess it was about 5 to 1 in favor of what I was saying. However, I never imagined how much support there was out there for what I was suggesting occurred on 9/11." Without mincing words, as he did in his article, Reynolds quickly changed the subject, again placing the blame squarely on the government for not coming clean about what happened on 9/11, saying it’s important to get to the bottom of a "story that dwarfs all others in comparison." "What it boils down to is that the government and the mainstream media are not digging into the 9/11 controversy because they are hiding something," said Reynolds. "From a media point of view, it’s the story of the century and they are not even trying to connect the dots." Continuing to throw some punches at his former employer, he added: "It’s nothing new. The government has always lied about so many things. Look at the Downing Street Memo, for example, the document confirming that the Bush administration lied to us about its motives for getting into the war. " If they lied to us about this, what else? Well, 9/11 is just another example." "

[Edited on June 29, 2005 at 3:09 PM. Reason : 1]

6/29/2005 3:05:03 PM

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"After the dust settled, a former chief economist in Labor Department"

"former" meaning he's just a citizen now.."economist" meaning he has NO training in engineering analysis and design.."Labor Department" meaning they have jack shit to do with engineering research, design, analysis and more.

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"the former chief economist in the Labor Department during President Bush’s first term told the world he thought the WTC fell from a controlled demolition"

thought eh? he thought it so it must be accurate and tru!!!111!11!

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"made his claims after researching many aspects of 9/11, including scientific and engineering data for and against the government story."

where is his background in engineering analysis? what r his engineering credentials showing he can read and understand this data and make a conclusion from it? afterall he is an economist so he must have a Phd in engineering.

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"He presented his findings on the Internet in a long, detailed article"

lololol on the internet..well that certainly is official

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"The government's collapse theory is highly vulnerable on its own terms. Only professional demolition appears to account for the full range of facts associated with the collapse of the three buildings."

so now he's a demolitions expert too? an economist who is an engineering expert and demolitions expert. damn that's somethin.

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"Immediately following 9/11, Rodriguez tried to tell his story, but claims the 9/11 Commission and the mainstream media have systematically censored his words in order to protect the official government story, a story ignoring the possibility of explosives being used to bring down the WTC."

well isnt that convenient?

6/29/2005 3:18:49 PM

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"When Morgan Reynolds called the official story about 9/11 bogus, it seemed like the whole world stopped for a moment to listen. It seemed like a lightning bolt hit the heart of the government story, cracking it into a million unexplainable pieces."

Does that seem like a gargantuan overstatement to anyone else? I guess that I missed that moment when the world stopped. I blame my xbox.

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"Reynolds, a respected economist and former Republican conservative, made his claims after researching many aspects of 9/11, including scientific and engineering data for and against the government story."

Really? I could have sworn that he just surfed the web and looked at the same stupid sites that you do. I read his stuff and he throws out the same stale arguments that you use constantly. But by all means, go ahead and believe the econ professor when it comes to analyzing the catastophic collapse of skyscrapers.

6/29/2005 3:26:17 PM

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/010705venturatroubled.htm

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"Governor Jesse Ventura Troubled By Official 9/11 Story Paul Joseph Watson | July 1 2005 ... FORMER MINNESOTA GOVERNOR JESSE VENTURA: Well, you know... At first, again, I wanted to believe 9/11, you know. But the problem I have with 9/11 is just a real simple one. I'm trying to figure out -- and of course they're now attempting to answer it somewhat -- how we could have failed so miserably in not having air defense. Because if you look back particulalrly -- I don't know if you're familiar -- remember Payne Stewart, the golfer? LANGLEY: Yeah, that's been brought up a few times on this program... GOV. VENTURA: He was flying in a private jet. And when they had that mechanical malfunction that apparently killed everyone on board, and the jet was up there flying on automatic pilot; well it only took them a matter of minutes to scramble a fighter jet and have it up there on the wing. And had Mr. Stewart's plane, if it looked like it was going to go down and hit a metropolitan area, of course they would blow it out of the air. But when they saw it was just going to land in a field in Nebraska [sic. - actually South Dakota], why they just let it go down and crash on its own. And the problem I have with 9/11 is that. Where the heck was our defense? Who was sleeping at the wheel? While all of these planes... I mean, I've been to air traffic control when I was Governor, and you've got a dozen people there looking at these dials, watching every plane in their sector. They know where it's going and they know what direction it's supposed to be going Now, how is it that these planes were able to be hijacked at half hour intervals, turned directly opposite the way they're supposed to be going and no bells went off, no emergency sirens went off, no fighter jets were scrambled? Just what the hell happened in that area of time?! And that's the part that troubles me about 9/11."

7/5/2005 11:25:42 PM

we didn't have enough air defense
so clearly the government blew up the towers in a controlled demolition and scuttled the jets

AHA THAT PROVES IT

7/5/2005 11:57:48 PM

Quote :

"Arguments from authority carry little weight (in science there are no "authorities")."

7/6/2005 12:37:10 AM

salisburyboy is going to keep this thread alive until the amount of posts reaches the 9/11 death toll

7/6/2005 12:39:00 AM

^haha

7/6/2005 1:29:58 AM

Leave it to salisburyboy to turn to this guy as an authority on 9/11:

7/6/2005 9:50:49 AM

well of course we're supposed to take the expertise of a wrestler! afterall, we're supposed to take the engineering and demolitions expertise of an economist.

[Edited on July 6, 2005 at 10:07 AM. Reason : oops, cant forget demolitions]

7/6/2005 10:06:46 AM

On The Record: The Controlled Demolition Of The WTC
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/060705controlleddemolition.htm

Quote :

"This is a clip from the new documentary Loose Change, which features firefighters and other eyewitnesses discussing explosions at the World Trade Center and examines the physical evidence."

Controlled Demolition Of WTC: Compare and Contrast: compare the photos of buildings demolished by causes other than controlled demolition with those that were.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/060705compareandcontrast.htm

7/6/2005 5:48:03 PM

man u r unbelievable...u obviously know JACK about structural engineering. but keep the trolling goin.

7/6/2005 7:51:58 PM

OK, look at this picture:



Now look at this one:



The top portion of the WTC is collapsing intact exactly like the one in the second picture. This seems to support the notion that structural supports were weakened at the site of impact leading to a catastrophic structual failure.

Do actually expect a 110 story building to collapse and land on its side like a falling tree? Is the WTC supposed to collapse in a direction other than down? Damn the NWO and their gravity!

You have been so blinded that by conspiracy theories that you can't even examine evidence with an open and rational mind.

7/6/2005 10:46:44 PM

911 Pre-Attack Warnings: People Who Avoided the Airlines And The Twin Towers
http://www.rense.com/general66/pre11.htm

7/7/2005 11:58:32 PM

OMG!!! COINCIDENCES!!!!

7/8/2005 10:16:53 AM

my friends dad had a meeting in one of the buildings and it ot cancelled
OMG I BET THE PEOPLE THAT CANCELLED THE MEETING KNEW

7/8/2005 11:40:00 AM

^ Probably because they were Jews and knew about the whole thing.

Duh. It's such a fool proof explanation.

7/8/2005 11:46:42 AM